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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Ding on Friday 09 October 09 01:57 BST (UK)
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I would like help in finding the death of George Bell who = Ann Moss (Livingston) in Narocoorte Sa in 1878. Children born in Horsham area of Vic. between 1881 & 1888. Believed to be in Nhill in 1911. Born 1846.
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As there a a lot of George Bell's out there are you able to give us his parents names please
this one matches his age
George BELL died aged 70 in 1916 at Riddels Creek
father William Bell mother Sarah Salmon reg no 7729
thanks Jenn
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Hi,
George's father was Thomas and his mother Mary Ann (Gurnell)
Thanks Ding
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George Bell (1846) is in my tree and I think at some time they moved to WA and George died there at Bullaring on 30th January 1927.
I have no more detail about him.
joboy
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The whole family (adults) show up in the Electoral Roll for Division of Swan Subdivision of Beverley (1925).
Cant post it here (Copyright).
joboy
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This death in WA appears relevant
Bell, George Ernest Livingston
Father George
Mother Ann
At Perth reg. 872
Year 1958
A clue that joboy is on the right track with you!!
Sue
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Yes George Ernest Livingstone Bell shows up in the 1925 Electoral Roll along with his father George ... and others of the family.
Thank you Sue as I had not recorded his demise.
joboy
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Thank you all for that.
Since posting the question I found a family tree on Ancestry.com which includes George. It has his death on 30 Jan 1927 in Corrigin, WA (there is no source or citation). Cant find that on my map. It also shows 7 children from 1878 to 1894. The tree is called CJ tree owner Janell 120.
Did his wife Ann die in 1938?
It must have been a big split with his brother Charles (witnessed his wedding etc.) who came from the same areas as George to NSW.
Ding
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google Corrigin WA and you will find it is about 15 miles north of Bullaring.
joboy
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I feel a bit stupid as I drove within 48km of Corrigin on a recent trip to WA.
Do you have a direct line to this Bell family Joboy. I am descended from George's brother, Charles. I do have a lot on the family but George was a loose end. An earlier researcher had him as a Postmaster in Narocoorte SA and marrying twice, which was wrong.
Ding
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It gets a bit messy .... I have 'bells' ringing in my ears and with so many incorrectly recorded Bell families claimed since ancestry started it's stuff it has magnified beyond belief ... however I'll start with what I am *reasonably* sure of.
Benjamin Bell and his father (Benjamin) arrived in 1839 aboard the
Andromache. Also on board were his sisters Azuba (Frances Barker's
mother) and Maria Anderson (nee Bell) and her husband William Anderson.
This batch arrived Port Adelaide on February 5th, 1840 on the vessel 'North'
BELL, Ann and children Sarah, Frances
BELL, Isaiah
BELL, John
BELL, Joseph
BELL, Moses
and the two batches are said by some researchers to be related ... I have'nt yet found the link.
My link is to the 2nd batch with Moses who married his brother Isaiah's widow Hannah (nee Day) who had four children and they had a further five.
Moses had been a publican at Hillend during the gold mining boom and was quite well off and the site of 'Belmont' built by the estate of Moses Bell about 1890 which was acquired by the developers of
Blues Point Tower and demolished at the end of 1959.
One of Moses' children was Angelina Bell born 1862 and she married Francis Butler (who is in my line) in 1881.
So I have spent much time and recorded so much about the Bell's hoping that one day a link will 'jump out' at me.
joboy
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I'm sorry to make it messier.
This George arr in 21 Jan 1859(age 12) on the North (same ship!!). with his parents Thomas & Mary Ann (n Gurnell). Also on the ship were his siblings Charles 10,Elizabeth 8, John 6 & Mary Ann 1.
Thomas had a younger brother, George, who arr. on Caucasion in 1853. This George had a son Moses who married his 1st cousin Rachel Bell (one of Thomas' daughters, a sister to George). They farmed in the Beulah area of Vic.
The families of Thomas & George moved to Mount Gambier in about 1869. My ancestor, Charles, married Elizabeth Francis Peters in Mt Gambier in 1872 and they both witnessed the marriage of Charles' older brother George to Ann Moss nee Livingston in Narocoorte on 5th Mar 1878. Both of these families then appear to have lived in the Horsham area of Vic. before Charles and his family came up to NSW in c1894 and George at some stage went to WA.
George Bell snr (Moses' father) had named his nephew George Bell of Nhill, Vic as an executor in his will in 1911. Trouble is he had two nephews called George Bell in the area, unless we can show that this George left for WA before 1911.
I can't see any link between our families except they both came out at diferent times on the same ship, and they both have a Moses who married a close relative. I am confident that the George Bell who married Ann Livingston is in my line as I have the wedding cert. with my G Grandparents signatures.
Hope this is not too confusing
Ding
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Hi Ding or other Bell relatives,
Could you please contact me re-George Bell who died in Bullaring/Corrigin as he is my direct line ancestor. I would love to know more info.
Kind Regards Brenda
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Welcome to Rootschat, Brenda
You need to make two more posts in order to send and receive personal messages.
You can post anything other than names of anyone who is still living.
Jamjar
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Hi Ding, I have some information on Bells if that helps. Regards Brenda
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Hi Brenda,
Any further information you could supply would be very much appreciated. I sent you a personal message but I don't think you will get it until you do another post.
Ding
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This tree has become very large with branches that have a wealth of information and a few very interesting links plus twists and turns so can we keep it out of the 'personal message' area please?
We shall all benefit if we do.
Respectfully,
Joe
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Hi - Re George Bell who Married Ann Moss (she was a widower) Ann Moss father was Allan Livingstone who was a Farmer.
George and Ann got married on the 5th March 1878 in the District of Robe, the residence of both was Naracoorte. The marriage was witnessed by Charles Bell and Elizabeth Frances Bell again from Naracoorte. George Bells father is Thomas Bell (above -from the marriage Cert).
They also had children including a George Ernest Livingstone Bell who married his cousin also a widower Maud Melville Vivian whose father was Joseph Bell and mother Louisa Symons .
They married at Warracknabeal on the 17th July 1907( from the marriage cert)
Thomas (father) and George came to Bullaring in 1908 took up land, returned to Victoria. Then George and sons Allan, Charles, George, Thomas, daughters Lilly and Annie May came back (1909) with supplies, horses and dam sinking supplies to Williams/Narrogin area then Bullaring/Corrigin.
The Corrigin Cemetery has many Bells listed and most a descendants.
Brenda
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Hi all :)
I have a connection to George Bell and Ann Moss nee Livingstone. Ann had a baby girl, Georgina Livingstone Moss with her first husband, George Moss. She was pregnant when Moss died in Hamilton. I think she sold up everything very quickly and moved to Harrow were one of her sisters lived. Pretty sure Georgina was born there.
I didn't know George Bell and Ann married in Naracoorte. Georgina lived with mother and stepfather. Later she went to Brim (near Warraknabeal) to help look after her cousin Alan Livingstone Milbourne's children. He was the son of Ann's oldest sister, Marion.
Four sisters came out with their widowed father Alan Livingstone, a blacksmith, from Lanarkshire, Scotland.
I have a photo of Georgina if you'd like to see her :)
Marlene
PS my parents and grandmother stayed with some Bell relatives when they went to W.A. twenty years ago. Not sure how they connect though!
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Wow --yes love to see a photo. Who were your grandparents please? Regards Brenda
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A correction first ::) Ann Livingstone's first husband was John George Moss (not George Moss).
Georgina was known as Ena (and also Twig), and she lived on the farm my mother grew up on at Brim. My mother's grandfather was Alan Livingstone Milbourne, Ena's first cousin. Ena and her husband, Edward Bentley, lived in a cottage on the farm.
I have some filling in on my family tree to do with the excellent information from this thread. So many thanks to all who contributed to it. If I can help with Livingstone or other info please let me know :)
Here is the photo of Georgina/Ena :)
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Thanks for sharing that photo Its so special to put faces to our research and so hard to come by. Ann Livingston remarried George Bell and had 8 more children. My direct line being son Charles Herbert Livingston Bell (half brother to Georgina L Moss)
Thanks again Regards Brenda
1927 - 17 Feb (Trove Nov 2016 Wickepin Argus(WA 1910-1934) Thursday 17 Feb 1927, page 3)
In an Article on the Death of George Bell -
"The only two members of the family who do not reside here are Mrs. E. Davies, of N.S.W., and Mrs.E. Bentley, of Victoria, who both happened to be over here on a visit at the time of their father's demise.
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You're very Welcome :)
Thanks for the death notice too. I didn't know Ena had visited WA :)
Do you happen to have a photo of Ann?
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I am off to Bullaring hopefully in a couple of months to see my older relatives and sort through photos. You are lucky to have some. My Uncle has a family Bible with entries of the children's birth.
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Certainly am lucky to have photos - and to have them identified too!
Good luck when you go to Bullaring :)