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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Janettekaye on Friday 09 October 09 00:07 BST (UK)
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Im am begining a family history search. I am wanting to know the name of the boat that sailed to New Zealand with Captain Rountree around mid 1800's. The boat stopped in Oakley Northland New Zealand.
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Hi Janette,was he the captain of this ship or was he a military captain,I see in Papers Past a reference to Captain Rountree Staff- Surgeon Home,he left Auckland on the SS Tararua on friday the 1st Sept 1865,bound for Sydney,
Cheers Janette
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Welcome to Rootschat Janettek :)
For your ref, the locality spelling will be Oakleigh if it was Northland NZ.
:) mare
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Hi Janettekaye
... welcome to RootsChat. :)
I noticed on your other thread, that you've stated >>
"... who settled in Oakley, Northland, in mid-1800's with the first settlers".
["Oakleigh" - as corrected by "Mare"]
Hi Janette,was he the captain of this ship or was he a military captain,I see in Papers Past a reference to Captain Rountree Staff- Surgeon Home,he left Auckland on the SS Tararua on friday the 1st Sept 1865,bound for Sydney,
So obviously he's not the Capt. Rountree (departing for Sydney 1865) as given in the post above !
You can search PapersPast for other references to "Capt. Rountree " > >
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
Lu
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Hi Janettekaye
Hmmm ... unfortunately the newspapers for Northland begin
1887 ...which may not be of much help to you ?
* Do you have christian names for Captain ROUNTREE ??
* Did he arrive in NZ with family ... (wife, children) ?
It's always possible that he has travelled to Northland from an Australian port - in which case, there may not be a record of the voyage (very few shipping / passenger records available for these early voyages from Aus.).
Lu
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My father says captain rountree was a sea captain. He is buried at Oakley i with his 9 year old son. I am trying to find the grave which is on farmland in that area.
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Captain Rountree was the Captain of the boat which came to New Zealand.
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Hi Janettekaye,
I have found in 1867 a family of Rountree's in Mangapai ,which is a short distance from Oakleigh,in papers past there is a mention of a funeral for Mr Rountree's son in which the roads were impassable and Mr Rountree was unable to inter his son in either cemetery so had to inter him on his own land.
NZ BDM death 1867/2105 Rountree Joseph age not registered
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18670313.2.29.2&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----0rountree+mangapai-all
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Hi Janettekaye
Well you did originally say "mid- 1880's" ... ? ::)
But it does look like "Janette" has made a good find (some 20 years earlier). ???
My father says captain rountree was a sea captain. He is buried at Oakley i with his 9 year old son. I am trying to find the grave which is on farmland in that area.
AND ... you're also (now) looking for "Captain ROUNTREE's" grave ?
* You haven't yet given the christian names of Capt. ROUNTREE ?
Lu
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Hi Lu,in Janettekaye's original post and repy 3 it IS stated mid 1800's so maybe we are heading in the right direction ;D
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Hi Janette
Yes, that was a good find you made. :)
"mid-1880's" - and the mention "early settlers" actually rang a few alarm bells with me ... because this Northland area was settled long before (the 1880's).
It may be difficult to locate these graves though - if they are on private land ? (Possibly there will be no "official" record of them ?)
Lu
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--- the child "Joseph ROUNTREE" who died in 1867 - does not show up as a "birth registered in NZ."
That may indicate "not born in NZ ... or "born NZ but birth not registered" ???
Possible then that Captain ROUNTREE arrived (in NZ) even earlier ... 1858 or before ?
Lu
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I am so grateful for you finds!!! You people blow my mind. So ummm....I guess find the grave is the next best step isnt it? Maybe it will have Captain Rountree's Christian name and even the name of the boat on the headstone.
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Here is the death in 1870 of a "Meredith Rountree" in Mangapai,from Papers Past,the article is also interesting with reference to life in those days
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=DSC18701115.2.15&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----0rountree++mangapai-all
Cheers Janette
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just found this on WorldConnect
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=richold1&id=I129
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This seems to be the grave of Meredith Rountree "master mariner"it was his father Meredith who died at Mangapai
Cemetery burial details
ROUNTREE, Meredith
Surname: ROUNTREE
Forename(s): Meredith
Age: -
Gender: Male
Date of death: 12 Jul 1926
Date of burial: 14 Jul 1926
Funeral director: No Director -
Cemetery: Pompallier Cemetery
Glenfield Road, Glenfield
Location: Anglican Cemetery Block A Plot 13
Cheers Janette
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Great work Janette ... those are good finds ! :)
I guess find the grave is the next best step isnt it? Maybe it will have Captain Rountree's Christian name and even the name of the boat on the headstone.
Janettekaye ... as previously, there may be a difficulty with finding a grave ... and headstone ... especially if the ROUNTREE's were buried on private property. I've checked the Far North cemeteries, and can find these ROUNTREE's (son Joseph d. 1867 and his father).
* Do you think, that as Meredith ROUNTREE senior (d. 1870)
is mentioned as having been a preacher, that there might be some confusion ... his son Meredith, seems to have been the mariner ?
Lu
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Hi Janettekaye
* Which of the ROUNTREE children do you descend from ?
[That may help us find more about this family].
Lu
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Meredith and his wife margaret came from county armagh in Ireland and settled in Oakley (Mangapai). They are the parents of Meredith, Joseph (who is burried in the grave at mangapai with his father Meredith)George, William, Christoher and Gilbert.
My Family decends from William. William built brigdes and constructed roads in the area with his father. I dont know who he married. He and his wife ? are the parents to Ivo, Mervyn and Dorothy. (Mervyn and dorothy both joined the Brethern faith in their adult life). My grandafather was Ivo.
I would like to know more about William. Who he married? Also the dates of birth and death of his brothers?
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Margaret is buried in the same plot as Meredith,
Janette
Cemetery burial details
ROUNTREE, Margaret Ann
Surname: ROUNTREE
Forename(s): Margaret Ann
Age: 84 Years
Gender: Female
Date of death: 17 Jan 1903
Date of burial: 19 Jan 1903
Funeral director: No Director -
Cemetery: Pompallier Cemetery
Glenfield Road, Glenfield
Location: Anglican Cemetery Block A Plot 13
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This appears to be the marriage for William,his wife's maiden name,Berridge,is a family from Waikiekie which is a short distance from Mangapai,there is a little cemetery in Waikiekie with this family in it.
1902/1196 Florence Annie Berridge ,married, William James Rountree
Cheers Janette
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the births for Ivo and Mervyn
1905/8118 Rountree Mervyn Sinclair, to, Florence Annie and William James -
1904/6663 Rountree Maurice Ivo, to, Florence Annie and William James -
maybe Dorothy was the youngest and is not avaiable on BDM's,
Cheers Janette
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so it seems...Margaret Rountree born 1844 - died 1903.. is buried with her son Meredith Rountree.born 1857 - died 1926. Margarets husband Meredith...born 1815 - died 1870.. must be buried on the family farm with his 9 year old son Joseph died 1867. This genelology stuff is mind bending isnt it ::)
I am so gratefu for everything you are doing to help me!!
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Dorothy never married.
I have Jones Rountree born 1781 - County Armagh Ireland
Married
Alice ? - Born 1780 - died 1866 in County Armagh.
Child
Meredith Rountree - Born 1815 Mulladry County Armagh.
Can I find out if Jones and Alice had more children and when and where?
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Mmm ... just spotted a death in NZ of a "Jones ROUNTREE" ??
Will check it out ? Maybe another son of Margaret and Meredith ?
Lu
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Could that be joseph? I have the article about his death...he was 9 years old .. he is burried on the family land in Mangapai because the roads were so bad that they could not take him to a cemetry. Maybe his name was Jones and not Joseph.
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Hi to both Janettes :)
Just adding a cautionary note here (especially as there is a lot of info being posted with haste). ;)
Seems there might be TWO families named ROUNTREE - some of whose names are similar ? Difficult to know without further checking, whether they are connected?
I'll take a look back over what has been posted so far and try and sort it all out. :D
Lu
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so it seems...Margaret Rountree born 1844 - died 1903.. is buried with her son Meredith Rountree.born 1857 - died 1926.
Just a correction here. ;)
Pompallier Cemetery record, does not state the age of the Meredith ROUNTREE who died in 1926. He was however aged 68 years ... so born about 1858. (Info from NZ Death Index) :
Margaret Ann ROUNTREE (buried with above Meredith ... and would appear to be his mother) - died 1903 aged 84 years ... so born circa 1819.
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Could that be joseph? I have the article about his death...he was 9 years old .. he is burried on the family land in Mangapai because the roads were so bad that they could not take him to a cemetry. Maybe his name was Jones and not Joseph.
Hi ... will get back to you shortly re: this. (No, the Jones ROUNTREE, died much later ... I'm still sourcing some other info for him.)
Lu
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maybe Dorothy was the youngest and is not avaiable on BDM's,
This is possibly Dorothy ??
NZ Death Index
1990 - ROUNTREE - Dorothy Mavis
Date of birth shown as - 22 October 1909 :
Lu
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thanks lucy and janette. Its all fitting into place so far. its awesome!!!
Jan
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Hi Jan :)
Loads of fun ... isn't it ?
NOW .. here's a surprise for you !
The father of William James ROUNTREE is
Jones ROUNTREE !
[Info. from NZ BDM online]
NZ Birth Index
1876 - ROUNTREE - William James
Parents: Ellenor and Jones ROUNTREE
Here's the link to the online BDM > >
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/
Lu
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I have Jones Rountree born county armagh 1781 married alice mulladry born 1780 . They had 5 children, meredith, charles, Jones alice and john. I have meredith born 1815 in county armagh as the father of william james. meredith rountree is buried on the family land in Magapai northland , he died 1870. So are you saying that jones - born 1820... is the father of william?
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Submitted entry on IGI : (Familysearch.org)
Jones ROUNTREE
b. 18 May 1848 - Derryhale, Kilmore, Co. Armagh, IRELAND
Parents: Meredith ROUNTREE & Margaret Anne GILBERT
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
[NOTE: Entries which show the term "submitted", have been taken from an unspecified source, and you should always, (where possible), obtain an official BDM record to confirm the information. ]
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Hi Janettekaye,
,I have just spoken to my brother in law who lives at Waikiekie,he has a book on local history called "Early Northland Waikiekie Pioneers"written by J.T.Stephens and in it is a great deal about the Rountree family,it states that Joseph's death 14th Feb 1867,was an accident,he was 14yrs old and he was buried on the family farm in a place called Ruarangi,Meredith senior had an accident in 1869 and staked himself in the abdomen while drawing water from the well,he was bedridden for 20 months and died on the 11th Nov 1870 and was buried with Joseph,there is a marble headstone to mark the grave.
Janette
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I think I am on the right track. Im sure William is the son of Meredith Rountree and Anne Gilbert.
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thanks lucy and janette. Its all fitting into place so far. its awesome!!!
Jan
Isn't it amazing progress from that little question yesterday :) Well done!
Lu I don't know how you get your head around everyone elses trees when they tick along this fast ... and you work on so many... perhaps you are surrounded by quick pencil drawings of trees :-\ . I have to read and reread just to keep up on one thread a lot of the time!
That book sounds like it covers the family well Janette ...
:) mare
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Hi Janette
Thanks so much. I would love to get a copy of that book. I live in Whangarei so must find out. Please thank the person for the info I am so grateful.
jan
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Hi Mare.
I know I am shocked. It was a little question and I got huge answers. I am so square eyed from spending today on the net so am in absolute admiration of Lucy and janette for their expertise.
jan
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I have Jones Rountree born county armagh 1781 married alice mulladry born 1780 . They had 5 children, meredith, charles, Jones alice and john.
I have meredith born 1815 in county armagh as the father of william james.
meredith rountree is buried on the family land in Magapai northland , he died 1870.
So are you saying that jones - born 1820... is the father of william?
Hi Jan
I know you said that you were just beginning your family history, and so I guess you are working from "notes" perhaps provided by a family member ? And that's fine. :)
However, most of us who have begun compiling family trees based solely on family information, have soon or later, found out that "the information" doesnt always "stack up" ! If you think about "stories being passed down through the generations", then there's always scope for them to get "distorted" somewhere along way. Even dates / events, in a family's history which have been written down, are often only based on people's memories. So, if we take our family history seriously, then it is important to seek out official records,- births, deaths, marriages - and to work backwards from "ourselves, then our parents, our grand-parents and so on".
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In the info you have queried above, it seems that you have left out a generation ?
Meredith ROUNTREE (b. 1815) and wife Margaret Ann, appear to be the parents of Jones ROUNTREE born about 1848 in Co. Armagh. You should be able to verify this, by obtaining a copy the (NZ) death record for Jones ROUNTREE. ("Printouts" of records are the preferred choice for family history).
See what I posted earlier :
The NZ Birth Index shows that Jones ROUNTREE is the father of a child named "William James ROUNTREE" whose birth was registered in 1876.
NO ... I have NOT suggested anywhere, that "a Jones ROUNTREE born 1820 is the father of William" !!
Lu
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My Family decends from William.
I dont know who he married.
He and his wife ? are the parents to Ivo, Mervyn and Dorothy.
My grandafather was Ivo.
I think I am on the right track. Im sure William is the son of Meredith Rountree and Anne Gilbert.
Hi Janettekaye
No, sorry ... you're not on the right track. ;)
William - (who is the father of your grandfather Ivo), is in fact, the grandson of Meredith ROUNTREE (b. 1815) and Margaret Ann (nee GILBERT).
Meredith ROUNTREE (b. 1815) you remember, died in 1870.
William (William James) ROUNTREE, (the father of Mervyn, Dorothy and Ivo) .... was not born until 1876.!
[Jones ROUNTREE (b.c. 1848) ... the father of William James ... did though, have a brother named Meredith. And this Meredith is the one who is buried with his mother, Margaret Ann.]
Lu
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My Family decends from William.
William built brigdes and constructed roads in the area with his father.
There is an article in the following newspaper, which speaks of roading contracts being granted to Jones ROUNTREE.
"Northern Advocate" - 27 July 1889 - Whangarei County Council
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
Lu
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Hi Jan,
The book by J T Stephens,is sold from the Waiotira Primary School,I believe it is about $16.I think you would find it very good reading and it should help greatly in putting the family together.Waiotira is near Waikiekie and Ruarangi.It has a list of all the Rountree's buried in the Waikiekie cemetery.This is such a lovely little cemetery my husband's sister and her husband have bought a plot for when they leave this mortal coil.
Cheers Janette
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Hi Lucy.
Yes I realised all that yesterday when I got your email. I did a lot of swearing. But now I have it all in the correct order.
Thanks :)
Jan
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Hi there. I am so interested in the Rountrees from armagh as I too am a descendant. I also have the family Bible with a list of the births and deaths of Margaret Anne and Meridith Rountree's children. They had 7 children ,one of whom was Emma Rountree who was my great great Grandmother. The others were Jones,Annie Alicia, Meridith, Stephen Gilbert,Margaretta (looks as if she died at birth,)and Joseph who died at age 12yrs. All the dates tie in with the information in the Bibleso I was pretty excited. Margaret and Meridith were married in 1826. They also moved to Birkenhead in Auckland at some stage ...probably in the 1870s. I have some photographs too-not very many though.
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Hi Fizzy ross.
My email is (Email removed by moderator to prevent spam - please send a personal message)
Im very interested tomake contact with you.
Kind Regards
Jan Malcolm
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maybe able to help out here my great grandfaher is meredith rountree he had a brother named william james .
meredith had a wife named violet [nee hartnell]
meredith s father was jones rountree died 21-8-21 and he was married to elenor [nee gunson]died 15-8-21 .from memory possibly recall finding jones grave and meredith at the cemetary at waikiekie nth rd and to read jones requires a crayon rubbing over paper .
i believe a book early northland by j t stephens may hold more information.
the original family homestead was on rountree rd and possibly at the end of this is where the memorial to meredith and joseph is although i could not find it as the end of the rd is fenced 10 ft high and planted in pines this is in the ruarangi district--------------------------------AJHR 1876 Section H26 page 19
Return of Wrecks
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~dchamber/helen.htm
Finding of Court of Inquiry
Vessel had not sufficient ground tackle.
ships name was the helen------------------------------------------------ 1876 Section H26 page 14
Return of Wrecks
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~dchamber/fannykelly.htm
Finding of Court of Inquiry
Mate in charge ran vessel on to reef.
ships name fannykelly
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Thanks a lot for that info, all the bits of information are building a picture of the Rountree family:. I have received some more data from this website and it is really exciting knowing more about this branch of the family. Our family are travelling north in January)and hope to have a look around Ruarangi (if we can find it) and other pertinent Rountree places.
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Hi Mikeleek.
Im very glad to make contact with you. mr great grandfather William and your relative Meredith were brothers.
You didnt say what part of the world you are in?
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based in auckland jan
your name is familiar do you possibly know my parents terry or julie leech
i managed to get a copy of early northland waikiekie pioneers through'the hard to find bookshop awaiting its arrival any day and any details you can supply on how to get to the monument would be greatly appreciated .
i have been getting information from my grandmothers sister [merideth and violets youngest daughter] who lives in whangarei, is 95 yrs and still pretty sharp with the info ,but directions to the monument are vauge i think its been a while since she has been back there .and would love to take my kids on an adventure to find it [ther is something interesting about chasing the old bones]
thanks jan
mick leech
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I have sent you some personal messages on this site to give details on how to contact me.
Jan
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Hi there
I see this thread hasn't been active in a while but just thought I would post in case this is of interest.
I have Rountrees on a bit of a side branch to my main family tree in Ireland and the names Meridith and Jones seem to be a reoccurring theme.
In case there is any connection here is what I have:
(and just so you know - I got most of this information from a trip to Kilmore Graveyard with my Grandma who is the font of all family gossip)
1. Robert Rountree 1832c>09/04/1923 married Ann Wright 1845c>1910
they had two children - Meridith (see 2) and Anna (below)
Anna 1880c>03/01/1960
2. Meridith Rountree 24/03/1871 >01/04/1917 married Susanna Hewitt 05/01/1879>?? (Susanna was my Grans Auntie)
will put there children in the next box as running out of space :-)
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2.cont - Meridith and Susanna's children:
Emma - 1915c>04/03/1920
Bessie - 1920c>20/11/1984 - Bessie married James Feathers and had one child before he ran off and married someone else (without a divorce)
Meridith Rountree c1918>? - married Marie Ross and at least one child - Jan
Muriel? 1920c - died in infancy
Robert (Bertie) - 1921c >07/03/1986
I also have a note of the listings for Rountree in the Portadown Directory of 1959
Rowntree, Anna, 102 Thomas St.
Rowntree, Robert L., 3 Drumilly Green.
Rowntree & Lougheed, 39 High St.
Rowntree, Marie, 65 West St.
Rowntree, Kenneth, 73 Tandragee Rd.
Rowntree, Harold, 95 Montagu St.
Rowntree, Rachel, 39 Hartfield Ave.
Rowntree, Meredith, 5 Connaught Pk.
Rowntree, Harold, 31 Church St.
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Thank you for taking the time to send that info. I am really interested in my Irish family. It is true that the names Meridith and Jones pop upa lot...I wonder where they originated from. Are you living in Ireland now? What is Armagh like? And what sort of people were the Rountrees?
Regards
Felicity Ross
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In 1865 Meredith Rowntree sponsored, with others, Elizabeth CARLIN, servant, of Rowntree Hill, County Amagh as an assisted passenger to New Zealand. They arrived on the Silver Eagle on 5 March 1866.
Try looking for Rowntree.
Oakleigh
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Greetings
The Rountrees from Northern Ireland makes interesting reading. Although I am not actively researching the Rountrees I have localised information concerning the Mangapai, maungakaremea and Waikiekie Rountree family, This originally from Waikiekie Pioneers, however I have other information from other sources concerning this family and other families in this area.
I would like to fill in the gaps and share information concerning the following families.
Rountrees, Gunsons, Hilfords, Stephens.
Regards
Mal_MX
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Hello There.
I am Jan Rountree from Northland New Zealand. Would love to hear from you. Particularly interested in finding info and photos of meredith Rountree the pioneer settler in Mangapai.
Jan
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Hi Jan,
It would pay to remove your email addy from your posting,a PM to Mal-MX will do it
Cheers Janette
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Thats very interesting Oaikley.
Meredith Senior became ill before his painful death in 1870. Although he left good sons behind to help their mother, he possibly arranged for the servant to come out to NZ to assist his wife Margaret Ann.
Thanks for that info.
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Kia Ora Klsy24. Your info is very interesting. I cantnot peice any of your info to mine but there must of course be a family connection. Will keep digging.
:)
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HI Jan
You will have to send me a PM until I post again. Have been researching the Babe Family and the other families (Gunsons Rountrees, Hilfords Stephens) are all interwoven in some manner.
Malcolm
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Oh Hi! William Norman Rountree of County Armagh, Son of William James Rountree here
I seem to have stumbled across something very interesting. Its kinda freaky to see your fathers name appear in a thread, then to read on to find out it was someone who lived in the same county with the same name only about 140 years ago.
I just kinda skimmed over all the pages but can someone fill me in on what is so interesting about (what i think might be) my ancestors :S
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Hi everyone,
Trying to find information on William John Rountree, Cabinet Maker of Richhill Co Armagh (married Mary Connolly in 1881).
John Rogers
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William John Rountree is my great grandfather.
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Hi there. I am so interested in the Rountrees from armagh as I too am a descendant. I also have the family Bible with a list of the births and deaths of Margaret Anne and Meridith Rountree's children. They had 7 children ,one of whom was Emma Rountree who was my great great Grandmother. The others were Jones,Annie Alicia, Meridith, Stephen Gilbert,Margaretta (looks as if she died at birth,)and Joseph who died at age 12yrs. All the dates tie in with the information in the Bibleso I was pretty excited. Margaret and Meridith were married in 1826. They also moved to Birkenhead in Auckland at some stage ...probably in the 1870s. I have some photographs too-not very many though.
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Hi i am also researching this family. I am especially interested in the records on the family bible as my husband is descended fron Stephen Gilbert one of Meredith Snr sons and it may solve a little problem regarding Annie Alicia as one of Meredith and Margaret Annes children. Her death cert. states her father as John Rountree. Marriage cert has no Christian name for her father. She had a wonderful record of service in the Salvation Army thoughout NZ and Australia under the name of Mrs. C J Hutchinson. Can anyone help? :)
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This has been a fascinating read.
I came across this thread in my search for information about the siblings of Margaret Anne Gilbert who married Meredith Rountree (I assumed it was spelt Roundtree, but apparently not).
If Margaret Anne is who I think she is, she was the daughter of Stephen Gilbert and Ann(e) Jane/Jones. Stephen Gilbert was the son of another Stephen Gilbert and I think Margaret Bullick. The Gilberts were from a village called Aghagallon (near Lurgan), about 20 miles from Armagh in Northern Ireland.
Nmt, was your husband's ancestor's name Stephen Gilbert Rountree? It would make sense for Margaret Anne to call one of her sons Stephen Gilbert in honour of her ancestors. According to my grandfather, it had been the custom for the eldest son in the Gilbert family to be called Stephen.
I'm going to review the children of Margaret Anne and Meredith in another post because there's quite a lot of overlap and disagreement about that ...
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In reading the thread I made a few notes about the children of Margaret Anne and Meredith Rountree.
According to Janettekaye the children were Meredith, Joseph, George, William, Christopher and Gilbert.
Fizzyross says there are seven children: Emma (from whom he is descended), Jones, Annie Alicia, Meridith, Stephen Gilbert, Margaretta and Joseph
That gives us:
- Margaretta (died in infancy)
- Annie Alicia
- Emma
- Meredith
- Joseph (died aged 9, 12 or 14)
- Jones
- Stephen Gilbert
- William?
- George?
- Christopher?
Posters on this thread include descendants of at least three of those siblings, which is pretty good going I think.
Janettekaye had three sons listed which Fizzyross's bible doesn't mention. Do either of you know why that might be?
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Some more of the information that I've gleaned from this thread, along with some of my own:
- Meredith ROUNTREE married Margaret Anne GILBERT in 1826
- Margaret Anne GILBERT was 84 when she died on 17th January 1903 in Auckland, meaning she was born in about 1819 (1818, according to an entry on Ancestry). She was the daughter of Anne Jane/Jones (d. 1861) and Stephen GILBERT (c1780-1836) of Aghagallon, near Lurgan, Northern Ireland. Her paternal grandparents were probably Stephen GILBERT (c1746-1825) and Margaret/Marget BULLICK (1752-1784), also of Aghagallon.
- Meredith (Of Roundtree Hill) was born c1815 at Mulladry, Co Armagh, Northern Ireland. He was the son of Jones ROUNTREE (b. 1781) and Alice (?)MULLADRY (1780-1866).
- According to Oakleigh: in 1865 Meredith ‘Rowntree’ sponsored, with others, Elizabeth Carlin, servant, of Rowntree Hill, County Armagh as an assisted passenger to New Zealand. They arrived on the Silver Eagle on 5th March 1866.
- Meredith and Margaret Anne had 7+ children (see previous post).
- Their daughter Margaretta died in infancy. Their son Joseph died of an accident aged 9 (newspaper report), 12 (Fizzyross' bible) or 14 (Early Northland Pioneers - J.T.Stephens) on 14th February 1867. He was apparently buried on the family farm in Ruarangi because the roads were too bad to take him to the cemetary.
- Meredith staked himself in the abdomen while trying to draw water from a well in 1869. He was bedridden for 20 months and died on the 11th November 1870 (6th November according to the Daily Southern Cross). He was buried with his son Joseph with a marble headstone to mark the grave. (Early Northland Pioneers - J.T.Stephens.)
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Somewhere in this thread Jones ROUNTREE (son of Meredith and Margaret Anne) is said to have married Elenor GUNSON and had by her two sons: Meredith and William James.
I am a bit confused, however by this obituary in the Northern Advocate which talks of a Jones Rountree who married a Miss Gunson and had 5 children: Norman, George, Miss S. STEWART, Miss ROUNTREE and Nurse ROUNTREE.
paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NA19210825.2.29&srpos
No mention of Meredith or William James.
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I mentioned that someone had Margaret Anne's birth year as 1818 on Ancestry.com. They also have some information about her son Meredith and his descendants:
Meredith ROUNTREE (1817-1870) m. Margaret Anne GILBERT (1818-1903)
- Meredith ROUNTREE (1857-1926) m. Annie Matilda BARNES (1862-1951)
-- Edward ROUNTREE (b. 1896, died in infancy)
-- Ivy Marriner ROUNTREE (1897-1983) m. Samuel Trevor Dibble (1893-1983)
-- Nora Margaret ROUNTREE (1900-1976) m. Edgar Palgreve DAVY
-- Faith ROUNTREE (1902-1904)
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Does anyone know if there is a Quaker background to the Rountrees? I mention this because of the famous Quaker philanthropist Joseph Rowntree (of Rowntree's sweets) and the fact that there may have been a Quaker background to the Gilbert family too (the earliest mention of them in Northern Ireland is in a Quaker marriage record in Lurgan where a whole squad of them were witnesses).
Another thing you New Zealand folk might be interested in is that at least one of Margaret Anne's nephews also emigrated to New Zealand. Edward Killen Gilbert, son of William John Gilbert (brother, we think, of Margaret Anne) apparently got into financial difficulties managing a business for his cousin Orr McCausland in Belgium, after which he was sent away.
Edward married Martha Killen Wilson in 1881 in Katikati, New Zealand. It's no coincidence that they shared the same middle name - the Killens, Gilberts, Wilsons and a few other families seem to have been interbreeding for generations. A lot of Killens apparently moved out to Australia and New Zealand.
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So what I'm interested to know is if anyone has any more information on Margaret Anne Gilbert's siblings and her parents, Stephen and Anne Jane/Jones. I believe they had 7 children, but I'm only sure of three and I have conflicting information about the rest:
- Margaret Anne: c1818-1903. Apparently she is described as a second daughter in the marriage record with Meredith Rountree.
- Eliza Jane: May have been born in either 1819 or 1834. Married James Gilbert (probably a cousin) on 5th May 1852. Had at least one child, Sarah Maria borth 6th August 1858.
- William John: My g g grandfather. He married Ellen Orr Killen in 1851. He was born in 1822 and died in 1880. He had 10 children.
- Stephen: c1830-1902. Married Sarah Anne Bell on 3rd April 1857. In his will he mentioned his sister Margaret Rountree (presumably the only sibling still alive at that stage) and rhymes off his nieces and nephews (mostly, if not all, children of William John).
- Depending on who I believe there may also have been a Sarah, Frances, Jonathan and/or another Stephen (died in infancy).
I'd be particularly interested on hearing from Fizzyross and whether their family bible has any information about Margaret Anne's family. If anyone else has information please contact me. Hopefully I've made enough posts now to be allowed to use the PM system ;)
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In reading the thread I made a few notes about the children of Margaret Anne and Meredith Rountree.
According to Janettekaye the children were Meredith, Joseph, George, William, Christopher and Gilbert.
Fizzyross says there are seven children: Emma (from whom he is descended), Jones, Annie Alicia, Meridith, Stephen Gilbert, Margaretta and Joseph
That gives us:
- Margaretta (died in infancy)
- Annie Alicia
- Emma
- Meredith
- Joseph (died aged 9, 12 or 14)
- Jones
- Stephen Gilbert
- William?
- George?
- Christopher?
I'm not sure whether anyone has already posted this (apologies if it has), but here is a link to a Daily Southern Cross article which lists the passengers arriving on the Portland in 1863:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=DSC18630801.2.44&e=-------100--1----0daily+southern+cross+waikato+war--
Passengers include:
Meredith Rountree
Margaret Rountree
Gilbert Rountree
Emma Rountree
Meredith Rountree
Joseph Rountree
James Gilbert
Eliza Gilbert [Eliza Jane]
Anna Gilbert [Annie]
Stephen Gilbert
John Gilbert [Jack]
Maria Gilbert [Sara Maria]
Thomas Gilbert [Tom]
Mary Gilbert [Mary Elizabeth/Minnie]
Eliza Jane Gilbert was Margaret Anne Rountree's sister. I hadn't realised they'd gone to New Zealand together until recently when it was pointed out to me by a descendant of the above Sara Maria Gilbert.
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Hi to those that may be interested.I am the great, great, great, grandson of Meredith Rountree who came to Auckland New Zealand, on the Portland on the 22nd July 1863 as far as i can determine.I would like to know the background of the family in Northern ireland and indead news of any existing relatives.I live in New Zealand with my family and have an interesting book entitled Early Northland,which contains information on the Rountree family between 1860 and 1900.If any one could help i will be great full.Thank you.Doug Rountree.
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In reading the thread I made a few notes about the children of Margaret Anne and Meredith Rountree.
According to Janettekaye the children were Meredith, Joseph, George, William, Christopher and Gilbert.
Fizzyross says there are seven children: Emma (from whom he is descended), Jones, Annie Alicia, Meridith, Stephen Gilbert, Margaretta and Joseph
That gives us:
- Margaretta (died in infancy)
- Annie Alicia
- Emma
- Meredith
- Joseph (died aged 9, 12 or 14)
- Jones
- Stephen Gilbert
- William?
- George?
- Christopher?
I'm not sure whether anyone has already posted this (apologies if it has), but here is a link to a Daily Southern Cross article which lists the passengers arriving on the Portland in 1863:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=DSC18630801.2.44&e=-------100--1----0daily+southern+cross+waikato+war--
Passengers include:
Meredith Rountree
Margaret Rountree
Gilbert Rountree
Emma Rountree
Meredith Rountree
Joseph Rountree
James Gilbert
Eliza Gilbert [Eliza Jane]
Anna Gilbert [Annie]
Stephen Gilbert
John Gilbert [Jack]
Maria Gilbert [Sara Maria]
Thomas Gilbert [Tom]
Mary Gilbert [Mary Elizabeth/Minnie]
Eliza Jane Gilbert was Margaret Anne Rountree's sister. I hadn't realised they'd gone to New Zealand together until recently when it was pointed out to me by a descendant of the above Sara Maria Gilbert.
I am trying to reply to your post. I am Janettekaye but have been off here for a long time and forgotten my password so have registerd under Jammykins
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Hi to those that may be interested.I am the great, great, great, grandson of Meredith Rountree who came to Auckland New Zealand, on the Portland on the 22nd July 1863 as far as i can determine.I would like to know the background of the family in Northern ireland and indead news of any existing relatives.I live in New Zealand with my family and have an interesting book entitled Early Northland,which contains information on the Rountree family between 1860 and 1900.If any one could help i will be great full.Thank you.Doug Rountree.
Hello Doug
My father was Vern Rountree. Son of Ivo and Elizabeth Rountree. Ivo was son on William Rountree.
I have heard of you from my late father.
Kind Regards
Jan Rountree
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Good morning Jan
Thank you for replying to my post.
Yes i remember Vern and Lester and your mum Connie.
I am unsure how to make contact with you,however would like to so if we can find some way to achieve this.
Judy and I live in Tauranga. Doug Rountree