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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: andarah on Thursday 08 October 09 22:29 BST (UK)
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My great-great grandfather is John Bradley. When he died, he left his infant son an orphan because his wife had already died from the flu.
They married in Dec. 1894.
The baby's name was William Bradley. He was born Jan, 1895. Yes, the dates are correct - she was 8 months pregnant at the wedding.
The mother's name was Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bradley (nee McKay). She died in March, 1895. She was 19 years old.
Supposedly John Bradley died in an accident 6 months after his wife (fall, 1895). However, I cannot find any trace of his death and I am wondering if he abandoned his son.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Does anyone have access to Glasgow paper from 1895 that could check for an accident?
William is the baby in the picture, and we think that the woman is Lizzie's mother since John's parents were dead before the wedding. Maybe she looks familiar???
TIA!
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Sorry I can`t help you in your search, but what a picture! I can just imagine he was as fat as butter
and loved to bits. I`ll bet she stuck up for him.Best of luck in your quest.Its a sad story.
Viktoria.
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Who is William with on the 1901 census?
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We don't know. I have tried to find him there.
My father thinks he may have been raised by a maternal aunt, and they possibly lived in Darlington. I think her maiden name was Devine, but I wouldn't know the aunt's married name.
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I also know that he went on to be a professional football player, and he did not fight in WWI.
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We don't know. I have tried to find him there.
My father thinks he may have been raised by a maternal aunt, and they possibly lived in Darlington. I think her maiden name was Devine, but I wouldn't know the aunt's married name.
I messed up that explanation! Lizzie's maiden name was McKay. Her mother's maiden name was Devine. So, he conceivably could have been raised by someone with either of those names, or another married name.
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I don't think this will be of any use to you but I'll tell you anyway. My surname is Bradley, my dad's side are the Bradleys but I haven't looked into that side of the tree yet but I do remember talking with my granda one afternoon about his family tree and he definitely mentioned the name Devine. I'll ask him where the Devine comes into it, it may shed some light - worth a try.
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I also know that he went on to be a professional football player, and he did not fight in WWI.
Who did he play for and when?
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I don't remember! Oops.
I have to ask my Dad. I do have pictures of some of his teams.
Pollack, Barrow and QOS??? That means nothing to me, as I live in Canada, but those are the names under the photos in my photo directory.
He also has the velvet hat with metal tassels from playing/winning in 1921 in a game that is marked GvI on the hat, and the story is that is means Great Britain vs Ireland.
I know that at one point he made it onto a particular team, but was not allowed to play when they discovered he was Catholic.
The photo is one of this teams.
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The teams could be Pollok Juniors, Barrow Town and Queen of the South.
Pollok are a team from Glasgow and Queen of the South are from Dumfries in the Scottish borders. Barrow is a town in England.
The team associated with not signing Roman Catholics is Glasgow Rangers
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Rangers does sound familiar.
I'll have to ask my Dad again and write it down this time.
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hi you could try e.mailing queen of the south to see if they had the name registered e.mail. admin@qosfc.com
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I hadn't thought of that - thanks!
I have so much to learn! LOL
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I don't think this will be of any use to you but I'll tell you anyway. My surname is Bradley, my dad's side are the Bradleys but I haven't looked into that side of the tree yet but I do remember talking with my granda one afternoon about his family tree and he definitely mentioned the name Devine. I'll ask him where the Devine comes into it, it may shed some light - worth a try.
I would appreciate learning what you find out. Thanks for asking!
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Hi Andarah
I have tried to find young William in the 1901 census without much sucess unfortunately. Tried the English census too with the names you have, but couldn't see much there either :-\
What information do you have on father John Bradley. His approx. age and place of birth would help when trying to find him in 1901, to check whether, as you suggest, he actually didn't die c. 1895
Just adding to your list of links of football clubs. This looks to be Pollok FC site www.pollokfc.co.uk (Sancti, impressed am I with your knowledge on footie clubs ;D)
Monica
Added: I'm right in thinking William was born in Glasgow?
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Here's what I have for William:
born: Jan 1895
Father: John Bradley (abt 1867 - 1895)
Mother: Elizabeth (Lizzie) McKay (1875 - March 16, 1895)
John and Lizzie married Dec 24, 1894. They both lived at 45 Gladstone Place, Springburn Place, Glasgow prior to the wedding.
John was a blacksmith journeyman and Lizzie was a cotton milloworker
Wedding Witnesses: John McKay and Mary (Lamb??)
John's father: John Bradley, farmer - deceased prior to John/Lizzie's wedding
John's mother: Ann Tweedley (I may have the last name wrong as it is not clear on the marriage cert for John/Lizzie) - deceased prior to John/Lizzie's wedding
Lizzie's father: William McKay, farmer (1846, Ireland - ?)
Lizzie's mother: Alice Devine (1853, Ireland - ?)
Lizzie's siblings:
John (1872, Ireland- ?)
Hannah (1874, Glasgow - ?)
Mary (1878, Glasgow - ?)
Willie (1883, Glasgow - ?)
James (1895, Glasgow - ?)
Patrick (1888, Glasgow - ?
Kate (1890, Glasgow - ?)
I would think that only John or Hannah could have raised him from the day his parents died. My Dad thinks it was her sister, so probably Hannah and possibly Mary??? Maybe it was Alice, the grandmother, though.
That is absolutely everything that I know about this couple and the baby.
I will try Pollack as well. Thanks! I hadn't even thought to check on that.
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I think Lizzie's mother's maiden name shows as Denver looking at the image of the marriage entry for John and Lizzie (is it your tree on Ancestry?). There is also this entry for sister's birth on IGI:
HANNAH MCKAY Birth: 09 AUG 1873 Springburn, Lanark
Parents:WILLIAM MCKAY and ALICE DENVAR
By Lizzie's death, again from the image on Ancestry, Alice shows as Devine. John Bradley's mother, from his marriage entry, does look to be Tweedley (maybe some variants of this?).
I can't see father John in the 1901 census with an occupation matching that of blacksmith :-\ At a guess, given his birth is not showing on IGI in Scotland, maybe an Irish birth for him?
Monica
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I think Lizzie's mother's maiden name shows as Denver looking at the image of the marriage entry for John and Lizzie (is it your tree on Ancestry?). There is also this entry for sister's birth on IGI:
HANNAH MCKAY Birth: 09 AUG 1873 Springburn, Lanark
Parents:WILLIAM MCKAY and ALICE DENVAR
By Lizzie's death, again from the image on Ancestry, Alice shows as Devine. John Bradley's mother, from his marriage entry, does look to be Tweedley (maybe some variants of this?).
I can't see father John in the 1901 census with an occupation matching that of blacksmith :-\ At a guess, given his birth is not showing on IGI in Scotland, maybe an Irish birth for him?
Monica
That would be my tree.
I have thought to look for John in Ireland, but I have no idea where to start. Nobody knows anything about where in Ireland they are from. I did find an entry for someone on Lizzie's side from Belfast, but that would be different from John.
I had not yet found that entry for Hannah, and it's interesting that it also says Denvar. I had assumed it was Devine because the Denver had been so difficult to read.
I wonder if John's Dad took off back to Ireland or simply left the area - I cannot imagine he was popular with his family if he dumped his kid and ran. Of course, he was supposed to have died in an accident, but I am wondering if William was told that so that he didn't know his Dad deserted him.
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Hi im pretty sure the photo of the football team is Queen of the South. As im new to this site im not 100% sure if this will work but hopefully there is a picture of the Queen of the South's club colours on this post.
I have PM'd you re other details