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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: daisymershum on Tuesday 06 October 09 04:12 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Don't know much about this guy, Morgan Joseph Tully, but he was my grandmother's brother and left Ballinasloe, Galway, Ireland in the 1920s/1930s. Was born in 1905.
From doing a bit of online research, it seems he was New York-based and became naturalized in 1944 (New York Southern District), with military service in WWII (New Guinea). Petition number OM-11423.
Can anyone assist please, perhaps checking the census records, deaths and military records?
Many thanks in advance,
Dave
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He died 2 January 1967 and is buried in Long Island National Cemetery http://files.usgwarchives.org/ny/suffolk/cemeteries/babylon/longisland/t/t-16.txt
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He emigrated on the Lancastria from Cobh to New York in April 1926. Occupation motor mechanic, travelling with a Kieran Martin Brady, also from Creagh, Ballinasloe. He was going to stay with a friend (annotated "cousin") Helena Ruddy, 140 E32nd St NYC.
5'8", fresh complexion, dark hair, blue eyes.
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Thank you so much Shaun,
I really appreciate your efforts in replying so quickly. It's brilliant to actually have some concrete info on him.
Any suggestions about how I may be able to find out more info on where he lived in New York and what he did in the US Army? I'm guessing I would probably have to send off written requests?
I'm based in Dublin, Ireland.
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Did he have any family over in the States also? It's all a bit of a mystery!
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He was a Tec-5 in the US army, which I understand to be a special rank for technicians and rated above Corporal. As you know he served in New Guinea and was naturalised while serving there.
I haven't been able to find him in the 1930 census but he must be there somewhere !
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The Social Security Death Index (available free at www.rootsweb.com or www.familysearch.org) has his date of birth as 7 May 1905 and his last residence as Jamaica, Queens Co., New York. His Social Security number was issued in New York State before 1951. If you were so inclined, you could order his original Social Security application - instructions are at rootsweb.com.
He started his military service on 31 Aug. 1942.
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A map of where the plot is in the cemetery:
http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1
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Thanks guys, much appreciated.
Still wondering if the census records might throw up anything else - family perhaps?
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I've been searching for Morgan using every combination of names. Besides the obvious, I've also tried Joe, M J, Joey, etc. I've only searched New York state, as I am not using his last name while searching.
I don't see anything likely for a Tully, born c1905, Ireland, in any state.
I also tried Sully and Lully, born c1905.
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Thanks Lisa, really grateful for you checking anyway.
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I don't see him on the 1930 Census, either. If he was married, I would think it would be likely that his wife would be buried with him, but I don't see anyone with him on the military grave locator - http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1
The WWII Military Naturalization Index gives his address as 255 W. 95th Street, New York, New York.
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Are there spelling variations that you have seen with this surname?
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No, Lisa. Don't think so. Although the Irish census from 1911 has his name down incorrectly as 'Maryan' - easy mistake with the scrawly handwriting...
Hubert is also down incorrectly as 'Herbert', who incidentally fought in the Spanish Civil War.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Ballinasloe_Urban/Townparks/448722/
There's also a question mark in family circles over Morgan's youngest brother, John Vincent Tully. Some people think he might have gone over from Ballinasloe/Creagh/Co. Galway to America too.
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John Tully, born c1909. Travelled from Cobh, Ireland to New York. Arrived 22 May 1927 on board the Carinthia. He was single, occupation was carpenter. Born Ballinasloe; last residence same place.
Father: H Tully, Ballinasloe, G'way. Final destination: Bklyn, New York.
Joining relative or friend: Uncle, Jos. Moran, 440-17th St, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Intending to stay permanently. 5'5", dark, dark, blue.
"Cath Aid" is written above his information. This wording is also written above three other names.
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Thanks Lisa, that's brilliant. Really good to know.
Would you know if John died in New York too?
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There is a John Vincent Tully, born c1909, returning to the UK in 1938. Port of arrival was Glasgow, Scotland. I cannot view further details.
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Thank you Lisa,
Very grateful again.
Is 'cath aid' one word or two? Perhaps it is an Irish word, 'cathaide' or cathaid'...maybe it has something to do with his health?
Dave
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Sorry, it was two words.
Very sorry, the words might actually be for the person listed under him!! It seems that when notes are added to the image, that they are added above the typed information. So, the person listed under him has the notation Cath Aid.
As I was looking at the image again, it appears that as I was rushing to type, I also copied down his incorrect information! He had a fresh complexion, dark hair and dark eyes.
It is the start of our work/school day, so before I make any other errors, I will sign off now. (I've been trying to search/type as family members are getting ready.) I will check back here later to see how everyone is progressing.
PS Updated the above, while you were posting.
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Oh right.
Just intrigued anyway as to what it means!!
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There is a John Vincent Tully, born c1909, returning to the UK in 1938. Port of arrival was Glasgow, Scotland. I cannot view further details.
It says he was on the Caledonia from New York & Boston to Dublin & Glasgow. Arrival date was 29 Apr. 1938. Above his name, it says DEPORT, so maybe he was being deported from the US? It says John Vincent Tully went from New York to Dublin, in 3rd class. His address was Main Street, Ballinasloe, Co. Galway. He was a mechanic, age 28, country of last permanent residence - USA, county of intended future permanent residence - Irish Free State.
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Thank you Shelly,
Must have been deported so. Tut, tut!
Dave
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Getting back to Morgan's cousin, Helena Ruddy, there is someone with the same name on a petition for naturalization. This Helena states she was born in Clovnluane, (Galway) Ireland on January 19, 1894.
According to the above record, she immigrated February 14, 1927 on the Caronia sailing from Queenstown to New York.
In 1937, the date of the petition, she states her residence was 170 E 78 St, New York, New York. She was single.
Her witnesses were Thomas and Mary McCoy.
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Ruddys were a big family - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Rinvyle/Cloonlooaun/452024/
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Maybe there's an error there with the dates.
In a previous post, Shaun has Helena Ruddy living at an address in New York when Morgan Tully made the trip over in 1926. I think?
Perhaps she came earlier than 1927? Is she in the 1930 census? Maybe Morgan isn't in the census as he was an illegal alien and hoping to stay under the radar?
Is there any mention of him and Helen in the 1940, 1950, 1960 census records?
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1930 is the latest American census.
Is the above Helena related to Morgan?
Looking back, you are correct, Morgan did travel in 1926. Perhaps the above Helena isn't related to your family?
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I cannot find Helena in New York in 1930. However, not having an approximate date of birth makes the search a bit more difficult.
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I'm not certain that they are related. I'd have to check.
I know there are Croffys or Croffeys related to the Tullys, but the Ruddy connection seems likely too. You said Helena from Cloonlooaun was born there in January 1894, and the Irish census from April 1911 has he aged 17 (ding ding!)...
The Tully side of the family is not one we know much about, or how far it goes back as that Tully family from Ballinasloe have died off, and Mary Josephine (my late grandmother) was the only one who had kids, as far as I know.
It doesn't look like Morgan Tully had a family in the States. I don't know what John Tully, the youngest, did when he was deported back to Ireland - he may well have gone off somewhere else.
And the middle brother Hubert, who fought in the Spanish Civil War, died alone in Dublin in the 1940s/1950s as something of a down-and-out.
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Any other details on this guy? John's supposed uncle - Joining relative or friend: Uncle, Jos. Moran, 440-17th St, Brooklyn, N.Y.
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No one in 1930, with that exact name (Jos. or Joseph Moran) living at that exact address, born +/-20 years of 1880.
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Maybe he made it up - my dad, John Tully's nephew, was unaware of a Moran link.
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It appears that some family members were immigrating around the same time. Perhaps they lived in certain neighbourhoods once they reached New York until they could actually get settled, and then moved on to other places? (Hope that makes sense.)
It is odd, though, that we are not finding on the 1930 census any of the people who immigrated!
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Yeah, I had hoped the census might give us something more to get stuck into.
I'll have to write off and request some records to find out more about Morgan J Tully and his time in America.
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Are there any military look-ups online?
All I know so far is that Morgan started his military service on August 31, 1942. He was with the US Army in New Guinea during World War II, was a tec 5. Could have gone into combat elsewhere - don't know - and not sure what he died of in January 1967.
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You can see various military databases for WWII here: http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwartwo/index.html There's nothing that has every single member of the military, though.
If he died in New York, only direct-line descendants can receive a death certificate unless the death certificate has been on file for 50 years.
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Don't Know if this is of any help, as I realize the last post was some time ago. I am related to the Tully's from Ballinasloe, (sorry a different family, I think anyway) . As it has been explained to me there are at least two families from that town named Tully and I'm sure if you go back far enough they are related. My family is from Derrymullen, Ballinasloe and then there was a family from the village that I don't know much about. There is a great website www.ballinasloe.com that has a forum page, one of the topics on it is history/genealogy, it might be a great place to get some answers, some real old timers on there that may remember the family. Good luck
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Hello Dave.
Morgan, John, Hubert & your grandmother were my grandfathers first cousins.
John Tully, Ballinasloe
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Morgan Joseph Tully was born 7 May 1905 at the Asylum, Ballinasloe.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1905/01780/1699414.pdf
His mother's maiden name MORAN, and his father Hugh the head attendant at the Asylum in Ballinasloe.
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Welcome, John.
It looks like the original poster hasn't been on this site since 2015, but always possible that they might see this later.
In case it helps, a lot more has come on line for New York & US genealogy since the previous posts. Morgan's WWII draft registration card says he is living with his aunt Mrs. Neva Bloss. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WC9M-W4N2?lang=en There is a Neva Bloss at that address in the 1940 census, but I don't see Morgan - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3Y6-TWM?lang=en Neva was born in Georgia and her husband was born in Ohio, so I'm not sure if there was an actual connection to a family in Ireland or if she was just someone he called an aunt.
The 1950 census has Morgan living as a lodger and he is listed as separated. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XTR-C59Y?lang=en