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Trying to trace more Carson family of Belfast.
Duffin Carson and Sarah Jane McKeown.
Duffin was born abt 1847, Sarah jane was born abt 1845, one of their children William born Armagh 15 sept 1869, married Mary Coulter born Ballymena 12 jan 1870 at Broughshane first Presbyterian Ballymena.
Mary Coulters father was George.
William and Mary moved to Govan Scotland where they started their family
Just looking for more children of Duffin and Sarah
muckypup
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Not sure where you've searched for the Carsons so far but did a few quick searches and easily found some information.
IGI (www.familysearch.org) lists several children of Duffin Carson and Sarah Jane McKeown-
1. William (the one you already have)
2. Mary Jane born 9 Sept.1871 Co.Antrim
3. Elizabeth Ann born 4 Feb.1874 Ireland
4. Joseph born 3 Jan.1876 Antrim district, Co.Antrim
Index to civil registrations lists the marriage:
Duffin CARSON 1869 Belfast registration district volume 6 page 322
Sarah Jane M'KEOWN same details
with this information you can order the marriage certificate which should list fathers' names and occupations if you are trying to trace the family back. See here for details on ordering N.I. certificates-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383526.0.html
Index to civil registrations also lists several Duffin Carsons.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
1911 Census is also online and there's a Duffin carson and family living in Ballymena but since he's born c1852 accrding to census age this is probably one of the others with the same name-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001357223/
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muckypup
Hi, I don't know anything about the Carson family in Belfast, but a Duffin CARSOn was in the Belfast newspaper in 1879. Looks like there was a ding dong battle involving some neighbours called Carroll, because this was in the newspaper then;
The Belfast News-Letter Saturday, July 26, 1879
Maliciously wounding
DUFFIN CARSON was charged with maliciously wounding John Carroll and Felix Carroll, jun., on the 17th March (1879). John Eagleson was charged with maliciously wounding John Carroll and Samuel Sutter, and with maliciously wounding Felix Carroll. There were second and third counts against each of the prisoners for assaults occasioning actual bodily harm and common assault.
Counsel for the prisoners-Mr. Kisbey (instructed by Mr. J.K. Currie)
The alleged assaults were committed in a row which occurred near the house of the father of the Carrolls on the night of the 17th March, and the prisoners, with three others, charged the previous day with riot and unlawful assembly, but acquitted on that charge. The evidence for the prosecution was to the effect that on the evening of 17th March John Carroll left the house of a neighbour named Blaney, about nine o’clock, in consequence of a message which he received in reference to some stone throwing at his father’s house. He took a pair of tongs in his hand, and on reaching the place a fight took place in a field belonging to the father of the prisoner Carson, in which the Carrolls were seriously assaulted, and injury being inflicted on the head of John Carroll with some weapon by James Eagleson.
It appeared from the evidence of the defence that Felix Carroll said he was the best man in the field, and Robert Carroll, his brother, said he would have some one’s life that night. John Carroll struck DUFFIN CARSON, who up to that time had not struck anyone. They then commenced to fight, and after going some distance down the field DUFFIN CARSON fell, when John Carroll was about to kick him, when a man named Wm. Campbell caught him, and prevented the kick being given. The jury acquitted the prisoners.
Looks like Duffin Carson's father owned a field in Belfast where they had the fight. Do you think that this is the same Duffin Carson?
Tom
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here is two marriages for that name.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 14 May 1869
Groom Name duffin CARSON
Bride Name sarah jane MCKEOWN
Church Saint Annes Church of Ireland
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 9 Aug 1873
Groom Name duffin CARSON
Bride Name elizabeth MURRAY
Church Wellington Street Presbyterian Church
Parish Kirkinriola
Civil District Ballymena
County Antrim
regards mary.
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The 1873 Duffin Carson marriage could be the Duffin Carson I found in 1911 census (wife named Lizzie).
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aghadowey, Tom Piper , maryderry,
Thankyou all, for the helpyou have given me.
The first five hundred relatives were found on Scotlands People, I now have a better idea where to find my Irish relatives
muckypup
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Hi muckypup and others, I hope you don't mind me coming into this chat.
I have Carsons from Belfast too. I thought that I'd get your views before posting on the main Antrim site.
My GGF was James Carson (b. c1859) The 1911 census shows him as being born in Belfast and living at 45 Appleton Street, St Helens, Lancs. I'm eager to get further back, but am having difficulty as there are no relatives left to ask about family folklore. The earliest I find him in England is his marriage on 1/11/1886 at Our Lady of Reconciliation, Eldan Street Liverpool to Mary Bowland (a widow, nee Ronan, b. c1855 in Wexford). His father is Robert, Coachman, and the certificate doesn't say thay he is deceased. I can't find any record James in the 1881 England Census which may mean he was still in Belfast.
The little 'folklore' there is says that James and a brother (maybe a Robert) left Ireland with the hope of returning to collect their sisters.
Do you have any advice or information you can share?
Kit
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Hi
MY G G Grandfather was Duffin Carson b 11/2/1851 b in Ballee, Ballymena and d 15/8/1948 his wife was Elizabeth Murray (Lizzie) m 9/8/1873 Presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena. Their children were
Sarah, Margaret, Jane (Jennie), Annie, Lizzie, May and Robert b 10.11.1884 d 26.12.1983 d Christchurch. NZ married Maudie Elizabeth Quinn b 1884 Belfast and d 6.8.1915 in Christchurch NZ my G G Grandfather there may have been other children. I have no record of Duffins parents - but believe there cousins were also Carsons, Duffins and Murrays as surname. Would love any information - if you find any matches that dont relate or maybe its the same family - I was told there was out of Ballymena or Ballee - a place called Carsontown that is still farmed by cousins of our Carson family and there is a communal plot where a few Carsons are buried but no names, Any help appreciated as I have hit a brick wall. Picture is of Robert Carson & Maudie Quinn
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Duffin Carson’s marriage to Elizabeth Murray was registered in Ballymena 1873, Volume 11, page 139. If you order a copy, you should get the couple’s fathers.
This seems to be the family in the 1901 & 1911 censuses:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballymena_and_Town_and_Urban_District_of_Ballymena/Queen_Street/927124/
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballymena_No__3_Urban/Queen_s_Street/118281/
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Hi,
Duffin Carson, father Robert married Elizabeth Murray, father Duffin ? in Wellington St. Presbyterian Church, Ballymena on 9 Aug 1873.
I have found a marriage of a Duffin Murray to Ann Shaw in Ballymena 1st Presbyterian Church on 25 May 1853.
Regards
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Thank you so much - this is awesome - I have never seen the census for the Carson family of Duffin Carson & Eliza Murray - Many thanks
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Thanks for the marriage certificate suggestion (which I now have)
Duffin Carsons father was Robert Carson (a labourer)
Elizabeth Murray's father was Duffin Murray (a weaver)
witness's William J Fergusen & Lizzie Carson
Any connections love to hear from you
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Griffiths Valuation has a Duffin Murray renting a house, offices (ie outbuildings) and 22 acres of land in Ballee, in 1862. He is also subletting to a Mary Murray, Luke Murray & Wm Ross. There are various other Carsons in Ballee at the time too, including a Robert Carson.
www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
Robert Carson died 11th October 1886. His will is on the PRONI website:
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
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Thank you so much this is awesome. I have never seen these before although I have heard of the griffiths rolls - How do I see the bit about who is was subletting it too - sorry just unsure how to read these
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Go to Griffiths and enter Murray, Duffin and Antrim (county) Connor (parish). That brings up 1 entry for Duffin Murray.
Then click on “original page”. That brings up a list of all the people in Ballee in 1862 whose land rental was £5 a year or more, and who were therefore listed in Griffiths. What I assume is your Duffin is no 43. He appears again just a bit higher up that same list as the landlord for 3 people on plot number 42. The surnames Carson & Murray appear against properties nos 35, 39, 40, 41 & 42.
If you then click on one of the map buttons, it’ll bring up a map of Ballee in the mid 1800s, and there’s a slider on the top right hand side which enables you to overlay a modern map. (That area is all suburbs of Ballymena nowadays and the agricultural land is long gone). The railway is still there today, as is the road in from Antrim and so would act as useful markers, if you were to make a visit.
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Thank you so much for all your assistance - am so much closer now - The will was interesting reading = including other family members names I hadnt heard of = Thanks from New Zealand
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I am chasing information on David Carson, my great grandfather who was born in Drummell (according to his headstone in Terang, Australia) but it may be Drumaull (Ireland) in about 1830. He migrated to Australia in 1858 and married here the next year, to an Irish girl who arrived on a different ship. Her name was Martha Denney (or maybe Denny), possibly from County Down. Her Parents were Joseph and Sarah (nee Donaldson) and David's parents were David and Martha (nee Naird). I would like to find out if David had brothers and sisters ans if they too migrated, or stayed in Ireland. We went to Ireland recently looking for information, but it was not until the very last day that we might have stumbled on some clues, but by then it was time to come home
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Hi
MY G G Grandfather was Duffin Carson b 11/2/1851 b in Ballee, Ballymena and d 15/8/1948 his wife was Elizabeth Murray (Lizzie) m 9/8/1873 Presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena. Their children were
Sarah, Margaret, Jane (Jennie), Annie, Lizzie, May and Robert b 10.11.1884 d 26.12.1983 d Christchurch. NZ married Maudie Elizabeth Quinn b 1884 Belfast and d 6.8.1915 in Christchurch NZ my G G Grandfather there may have been other children. I have no record of Duffins parents - but believe there cousins were also Carsons, Duffins and Murrays as surname. Would love any information - if you find any matches that dont relate or maybe its the same family - I was told there was out of Ballymena or Ballee - a place called Carsontown that is still farmed by cousins of our Carson family and there is a communal plot where a few Carsons are buried but no names, Any help appreciated as I have hit a brick wall. Picture is of Robert Carson & Maudie Quinn
My Great x 4 Grandfather Charles Rankin of Ballee, Ballymena married a Nancy Carson and an Agnes Carson. I have Agnes' DOB as being 1798 from a headstone but I don't know anything regarding Nancy or their respective fathers. They may have been sisters!
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My Great x 4 Grandfather Charles Rankin of Ballee, Ballymena married a Nancy Carson and an Agnes Carson. I have Agnes' DOB as being 1798 from a headstone but I don't know anything regarding Nancy or their respective fathers. They may have been sisters!
Are you sure there were 2 different wives? Agnes, Nancy, Hannah, Ann, Anne, etc. are all interchangeable.
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My Great x 4 Grandfather Charles Rankin of Ballee, Ballymena married a Nancy Carson and an Agnes Carson. I have Agnes' DOB as being 1798 from a headstone but I don't know anything regarding Nancy or their respective fathers. They may have been sisters!
Are you sure there were 2 different wives? Agnes, Nancy, Hannah, Ann, Anne, etc. are all interchangeable.
No I'm not sure to be honest. That is the first time that I've heard Agnes and Nancy are interchangeable.
Unfortunately the marriage records do not go far enough back to check.
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My Carsons are now looking like this
Duffin Carson married Jane Andrews
and their children are
Matilda Carson b 1820
Robert Duffin Carson b 1821 d 1888 married 20 Nov 1847 • Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Jane Carson 1826 - 1882 daughter of John Carson
Elizabeth Carson b 1823
William Carson b 1826 married on 31 Dec 1847 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Mary Jane Rankin
Martha Carson b 20.1.1827 married on 04 Sep 1849 • 65 Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Andrew Johnston b 1827 - 1887
Agnes Carson b 22 Dec 1829 (unsure if this is the correct date or christening date as sister born less than months later or her date of birth is incorrect)
Isabella Carson b 11 June 1830
John Carson b 09/07/1832
Robert Duffin Carson & Jane Carson (as above)
their children are
Duffin Carson b Feb 1851 • Carsonstown, Ballee, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died 15.8.1948 and Burial 17 Aug 1948 • Ballyclug Cemetery, Antrim, Northern Ireland he married Marriage 09 Aug 1873 • presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland Lizzie - Elizabeth Murray daughter of Duffin Murray & Ann Murray nee Shaw
Margret Mary Carson Birth 10 Jun 1874 • Galgorm, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 1899 married Tom Ritchie
Jane (Jeanie/Ginny) Carson b 14 Nov 1876 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 14 March 1897 married (Unknown) Murray
Annie Carson born 01 May 1879 • Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland married Hugh Magill
Robert Carson born 10 Nov 1884 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and Died
26 Dec 1983 • Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand married 17 Jun 1912 • Belfast Registry Office, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Maude Elizabeth Quinn b 1882 - d 1915
Elizabeth Lizzie Molly Carson b 19 March 1887
Sara Carson b 1889 married Samuel McClure Blair b 1885
May Mary Carson b 31 May 1895 married Christopher Metcalfe in New Zealand
Robert Carson & Maude Elizabeth Carson
Their Children
Murray Carson 1913-2001 B in Christchurch, New Zealand & died in Palmerston North New Zealand (my grandfather)
Doreen Louise Carson b 1915 - d 2013 b in Christchurch and died in Hamilton New Zealand
The Duffin name seems to appear throughout
Any information or further details would be appreciated please
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My Carsons are now looking like this
Duffin Carson married Jane Andrews
and their children are
Matilda Carson b 1820
Robert Duffin Carson b 1821 d 1888 married 20 Nov 1847 • Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Jane Carson 1826 - 1882 daughter of John Carson
Elizabeth Carson b 1823
William Carson b 1826 married on 31 Dec 1847 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Mary Jane Rankin
Martha Carson b 20.1.1827 married on 04 Sep 1849 • 65 Kirkinriola, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Andrew Johnston b 1827 - 1887
Agnes Carson b 22 Dec 1829 (unsure if this is the correct date or christening date as sister born less than months later or her date of birth is incorrect)
Isabella Carson b 11 June 1830
John Carson b 09/07/1832
Robert Duffin Carson & Jane Carson (as above)
their children are
Duffin Carson b Feb 1851 • Carsonstown, Ballee, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died 15.8.1948 and Burial 17 Aug 1948 • Ballyclug Cemetery, Antrim, Northern Ireland he married Marriage 09 Aug 1873 • presbyterian Church, Wellington Street, Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland Lizzie - Elizabeth Murray daughter of Duffin Murray & Ann Murray nee Shaw
Margret Mary Carson Birth 10 Jun 1874 • Galgorm, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 1899 married Tom Ritchie
Jane (Jeanie/Ginny) Carson b 14 Nov 1876 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland died in 14 March 1897 married (Unknown) Murray
Annie Carson born 01 May 1879 • Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland married Hugh Magill
Robert Carson born 10 Nov 1884 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland and Died
26 Dec 1983 • Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand married 17 Jun 1912 • Belfast Registry Office, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Maude Elizabeth Quinn b 1882 - d 1915
Elizabeth Lizzie Molly Carson b 19 March 1887
Sara Carson b 1889 married Samuel McClure Blair b 1885
May Mary Carson b 31 May 1895 married Christopher Metcalfe in New Zealand
Robert Carson & Maude Elizabeth Carson
Their Children
Murray Carson 1913-2001 B in Christchurch, New Zealand & died in Palmerston North New Zealand (my grandfather)
Doreen Louise Carson b 1915 - d 2013 b in Christchurch and died in Hamilton New Zealand
The Duffin name seems to appear throughout
Any information or further details would be appreciated please
William Carson b 1826 married on 31 Dec 1847 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland to Mary Jane Rankin
Mary Jane Rankin is the sister of my Great x 3 Grandfather Charles. His wife Agnes Carson is also of the Carsonstown clan. I had a look at the Ballyclug Cemetery plot purchase list, and my Great x 3 Grandfather purchased a grave on behalf of the William Carson (his brother-in-law) above.
We are related, perhaps in more than one place?