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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: Bob Tulloch on Sunday 04 October 09 14:19 BST (UK)
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I am certain that I have a distant connection to the Tripneys. Susan Alexander was married to my GGG Father, William Tulloch @ Muiravonside in 1792. They had 6 daughters and one son. Susan's parents were John Alexander and Sarah Aitken. I have been unable to confirm William's parents but have a feeling he was from North Ronaldsay. His father would be John & his Mother would be Christian using the traditional naming regime. Using the IGI the only match I could find to fit for his approx age was John Tulloch & Christian in North Ronaldsay,(William was baptised in Sanday the adjacent Island.) If anyone has any info which could confirm this I would be delighted. I could never find any other Tullochs in East Stirlingshire around this time.
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Hi Bob
Welcome to RootsChat.
Have you tried this site for Orkney? http://www.cursiter.com/
Hibee
PS What are the Tripneys?
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Hi , Hibee, I have been aware of this site for some time, what I am trying to establish if my William Tulloch did come from the Orkneys. I have used the traditional naming of family to assume that his father was John and mother Christian, William's only son was John and his second born Daughter was Christian. I am trying to find some mention of William in any local records in the Polmont area (Bennetstown) where he lived and raised his family. I have not been able to trace any other Tulloch's before or after. He married in 1792.
The Tripney name was on one of the other forums where it was mentioned one of his forebears married a daughter of William Tulloch and Susan Alexander who were my GGGGParents.
Regards Bob
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Hello Bob,
You have just come to a great site everyone here is so helpful.
It looks as though you are related to my husband as William and Susan are his GGGGG Grandparents
Sadly I have only got back as far as William Tulloch and Susan Alexander on my tree but did wonder if John Tulloch and Christian were Williams parents.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi Bob,
I have just remembered what our distant connection to the Tripneys is.
It comes through William and Susans daughter Agnes Tulloch born 1796-1887 line. Agnes married Alexander Gibb. One of Agnes descendants is also a member here and I have had contact with him when I was doing the family tree.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi,
John Tulloch
Birth: 13 Sep 1807 - Stirlingshire, Scotland
Death: 10 Apr 1882
I know he married twice, and had children by both wives. Does anyone know anything more about this man besides what is on the census records of 1851/61/71/81 ?
Cheers
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Hi,
there is a possibility it's the most significant survivor of the 'Grace Darling' wreck, the Forfarshire, as per here:
http://www.gracedarling.co.uk/Survivors.html
I'd love to know anything you have on him!
Cheers
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Welcome to Rootschat.
There are a couple of John Tullochs born in Stirlingshire in 1807. One being born September 1807 in Stirling, Parents are Duncan Stewart and Katharine Paton. The other being born January/February 1807 in Killearn, Parents are Duncan Stewart and Jean Hutton.
Regards Lyne
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The most likely candidate I've found is:
John Tulloch*
Birth 22 MAR 1808 in Boness, Linlithgowsh
Death 10 APR 1882 in Loues Square Calderbank Eastern Monklands
Son of William Tulloch and Susan Alexander
First wife Naomi Muir (1808 1841), by whom has children William(1833-?), John (1835 1901), Archibald (1836-?) & James (1841 1889)
Second wife Barbara Addison (1819 1883), children Anne (1851)
Reason being this man is listed variously as a ships carpenter and boat-builder in the censuses.
The man above is of about the right age, the right name, and the right profession, in about the right area.... but it doesn't prove its the same person.
Against that, there's a single reference in the Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, 28 July 1849, to the sudden death of a John Tulloch on a ship. I know nothing else about this person, but it's a salutary reminder that, just because everything else fits, it doesn't mean the first person is the right one.
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The most likely candidate I've found is:
John Tulloch*
Birth 22 MAR 1808 in Boness, Linlithgowsh
Death 10 APR 1882 in Loues Square Calderbank Eastern Monklands
Son of William Tulloch and Susan Alexander
First wife Naomi Muir (1808 1841), by whom has children William(1833-?), John (1835 1901), Archibald (1836-?) & James (1841 1889)
Second wife Barbara Addison (1819 1883), children Anne (1851)
Reason being this man is listed variously as a ships carpenter and boat-builder in the censuses.
The man above is of about the right age, the right name, and the right profession, in about the right area.... but it doesn't prove its the same person.
Against that, there's a single reference in the Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, 28 July 1849, to the sudden death of a John Tulloch on a ship. I know nothing else about this person, but it's a salutary reminder that, just because everything else fits, it doesn't mean the first person is the right one.
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Hi Joe, If this is correct then you are talking about a very distant ancestor in my husbands family. I will need to look at my family tree but can not do this for a couple of hours as I am at the National Arboritum for the day. Kind regards Lyne
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Hi Joe,
John Tulloch and Naomi Muir are my husbands great great great grandparents, he descends through James line.
To be quite honest I don't really know anything about his life, so do not know if he is the John Tulloch you are looking for or not.
I did find this little bit of information,
The nine passengers taken off by Grace Darling were these :
John Kidd, fireman, Dundee; Jonathan Tickett, cook,
Hull; John M'Queen, coal-trimmer, Dundee; John Tulloch,
carpenter, Dundee; James Nicholson, fireman, Dundee;
D. Donovan, fireman (passenger), Dundee; James Keeley,
weaver, Dundee; Thomas Buchanan, baker, Dundee; Mrs.
Dawson of Hull, bound for Dundee, with her two children, both
of whom died from exposure on the night of the wreck.
At this site http://archive.org/stream/haunteddundeemill/haunteddundeemill_djvu.txt but again it doesn't prove anything as to whether he is the John Tulloch you are looking for.
Kind Regards
Lyne
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Hi Joe,
I meant to ask you where you got your information about John Tulloch from as John was actually born on 5th September 1807 and christened on 13th September 1807 in Polmont.
Name: John Tulloch
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Sep 1807
Christening Place: , POLMONT, STIRLING, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 05 Sep 1807
Father's Name: William Tulloch
Mother's Name: Susan Alexander
Also what is your interest in him, is he related to you somehow or are you researching him because he is a survivor of the SS Forfarshire wreck.
Kind Regards
Lyne
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Bob, have you checked,
http://www.archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ORKNEY/2012-08
Skoosh.
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I,m not sure if Bob is still living (I hope he is though). We haven't had contact for a long time.
And I am a plonker because I got the Stewarts muddled with my Tullochs so sorry about that Joe, only just noticed when I reread my posts.
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Thanks guys.
The details for the John Tulloch I've mentioned above, are a combination of census records and then more detailed info via a consensus of member trees, all on ancestry.
I am researching the Forfarshire disaster and its aftermath, including trying to put together the biographies of all the victims, and the subsequent life stories of the survivors.
Of those, John Tulloch is important, being the de-facto leader of those stuck on the wreck and on the rock, and then rescued by the Darlings. Tulloch stayed in the area as a representative of the Hull Steam Packet Company for a little while, but then effectively disappears from the record.
One or two of those survivors that you've listed, later wrote memoirs for newspaper articles decades later. There was another group of survivors, too, who fled the ship in a lifeboat just before it struck, and again, some of their stories are (at least part-)known, while others just vanish into history.
The John Tulloch in the census records is about the right age, from about the right place, and is the only John Tulloch who identifies himself in the census records as a ship's carpenter - the role and occupation of the Forfarshire survivor.
This is, of course, nowhere near enough to confirm they are one and the same - hence I was hoping that there might be some family legends or other research to identify the man that was rescued by Grace & William Darling, and who rowed out a second time with William to save the others.
It would be a great story to restore to a family, and a notably resourceful and brave man from history could be given his context and biography.
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Tulloch's the commonest name on the gravestones at North Ronaldsay old kirk, unfortunately the earliest stone is 1800 but no doubt Tulloch's therein are your folk.
Skoosh.
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Hi Joe,
I,m really sorry that I cannot help you with the information you need. I have the families of three of John Tullochs children in my tree and to be honest they have spread out, some went to Edinburgh, some Glasgow others to different parts of Stilringshire.
It would be very interesting to find out if my husbands great great great grandfather is the James Tulloch who was rescued by Grace and William Darling, and who rowed out a second time with William to save the others.
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I,m not sure if Bob is still living (I hope he is though). We haven't had contact for a long time.
And I am a plonker because I got the Stewarts muddled with my Tullochs so sorry about that Joe, only just noticed when I reread my posts.
Hi I typed in on chrome Duncan Stewart Married Jean Hutton,and up popped your Q on here.. Do those names ring at all on your Stewart line at all? I know where the Huttons went to live but cannot find where Duncan an Jean moved (If they moved!) I know that one of their sons whom is my 5x Great grandparents John stewart an Janet Leckie.
I look forward to your correspondence
Kindest Regards
Gill
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Hi Gill,
I,m really sorry I dont have those names in my Stewart tree.
However I am sure I have seen posts on rootschat about Janet Leckie.
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This is one thread on John Stewart and Janet Leckie www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857141.0
Also, another one here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=133049.0
Monica
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This is one thread on John Stewart and Janet Leckie www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857141.0
Also, another one here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=133049.0
Monica
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These are my old log that I lost my info for and the one that I have now! Jean Huttons family moved to Cramond Midlothian and are intered in Cramond Kirk yard... Thanks all
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Hi Joe,
Welcome to Rootschat.
There are a couple of John Tullochs born in Stirlingshire in 1807. One being born September 1807 in Stirling, Parents are Duncan Stewart and Katharine Paton. The other being born January/February 1807 in Killearn, Parents are Duncan Stewart and Jean Hutton.
Regards Lyne
Duncan Stewart and Jean Hutton are my 5th times Great Grandparents on my Paternal male Stewart line, Its been quite hard for me as I have Stewart's on my Maternal male line too!
Gill