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John Henry Bumby left Yorkshire for the USA between 29 July 1879 and 1881. I've been unable to locate the route he took or the ship he arrived on.
His wife and daughter (and perhaps other family members) arrived after he was settled in the USA, likely in 1881. Their names MIGHT be Martha and Caroline/Carrie.
I've not been able to locate any of them on the 1880 US Census or the 1881 UK Census, either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Would you have his approximate date of birth, please? Have you found them on the 1900 census? Do you know where they eventually settled in America?
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Looking at the bottom of your post, I'm guessing they settled in Montana.
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According to an old family letter, John Henry was born 11 August 1844 in Leeds. Additionally, there is a BMD listing the birth of a John Henry Bumby in Leeds, September Quarter 1844 (23 289).
I have him listed as "John Hy" on th 1851 and 1861 UK Census, but no later Census, UK or USA.
Yes, he did settle in Montana (how he got here is still unknown), and his Certificate of Naturalization was signed in Butte, Montana 27 March 1890. He was still in the area in 1893, according to his father's obituary, but I've not found him in the 1890 US Census or the 1891 UK Census.
We assume he (and possibly a wife) returned to England once his family ties in the USA dwindled, but cannot find the ship log that takes him back to the UK...
Thanks for any and all help!
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Can you find his parents in 1871? Were his parents both born in England, please?
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I don't see him in 1880. I also tried in 1900. Is there a reason why you think he immigrated between 1879 and 1881? I can try a search for him in 1880, with no surname, but with such a common first name, it will be difficult.
The more information we have, would make the search easier. Some of the search options for 1880 include: first name, birthplace, estimated birth year, mother's and father's birthplace, occupation, residence (including state, county and township).
There are very limited 1890 US census returns, due to a fire.
If he arrived c1880 he may not have gone directly to Montana. If he arrived in America prior to the 1880 census, he could be residing in any state.
I don't see "Caroline" or "Carrie", living in Butte in 1900.
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In an obituary for J. Henry Longmaid in the Independent newspaper in Helen, Montana dated February 18, 1930 there is a mention of Caroline Bumby:
"In 1887, Mr. Longmaid was married to Caroline Bumby of Dillon, who passed away during that year."
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The Daily Miner, February 7, 1885 Butte, Montana
"Mr. Bumby, of the firm of Bumby & Kirby, arrived from Silver Star yesterday and will return today. He reports the town as flourishing."
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I looked up the firm of Bumby & Kirby and found them listed as merchants in an advertising directory in Silver Star, Montana 1883-1884
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Were his paretns William and Sarah Bumby?
If so
1873 June Liverpool to NY Ship SS Algeria
William Bumby 50
Sarah 50
Sutcliffe 26
Walter 21
Jane Ann 19
Helen S 16
This family came from Leeds and Huddersfield on the 1851/61 census with John Henry son living with them
1873 September Ship Egypt Liverpool to NY
John Bumby 30
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merjones: Thanks for the newspaper articles! Yes, these are all relatives to John Henry, and the Caroline Bumby you found is the daughter I'd like to find information about on UK to USA transportation logs. She was born in the UK and died in the US (1887), but how did she get here?
Su: These are his parents and siblings aboard the Algeria, and it certainly does appear that John Henry Bumby could be aboard the Egypt in September 1873. He was born in 1844, so the age fits.
But I'm even more confused if it is him, because I have letters dated 8 July 1874, 6 July 1875, and 29 July 1879 showing him living in England. His "trail" doesn't begin in Montana until around 1881 in family letters, and not until 1883 on the Madison County Taxpaper's List.
Any clue when and what ship his wife and daughter were aboard from the Uk to the USA?
Lisa in California: Perhaps the following will give you another way to search: He was born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England in 1844. His father, William Bumby, was born in Bradford, Yorkshire and his mother, Sarah Sutcliffe Bumby, was born in Tyersall., Yorkshire. His father was listed as a "coal merchant" in 1861 and 1871. In 1861, John Henry was listed as an "office clerk."
THANKS!
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He could have gone out there the same month as his parents to find somewhere to live or see if he could get a job, then went back again so he was home in 1874. I have traced some rellies for a friend who were back and forth from Tennesse to UK like yoyo's :D
Perhaps Martha and Caroline didn't go out there until later.
As William and Sarah didn't sail until 1873 they should be on the 1871 UK census, unless they also went back and forth.
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Found them...
Ship Arizona
dept Liverpool/Queenstown Ireland
Arrive New York Sept 19th 1881
Mrs. Martha Bumby 40 wife England
Miss Carrie Bumby 13 spinster England
They were mistranscribed as Burnley
Kind regards
Su
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Ship Arizona
Dept Liverpool/Queenstown Ireland
Arrive New York November 8th 1880
John H. Bumby 36 Labourer
Mistranscribed as Brumby
So now you know how they got there ;D
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Just had a thought..
The reason why you cannot find John on the 1880 US census is probably because it would have been taken in September if I am correct.
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1871
Heaton Norris (Stockport/Manchester)
RG10/3658 folio 6 pg 6
Wellington Road, Greenbank Terrace
John Henry Bumby Head mar 26 occ.something stuff warehouse cashier something..born Yorkshire Leeds
Martha Bumby wife 29 born Huddersfield Yorkshire
Caroline Bumby dau 2 born Lancashire Pendleton
Maria Shuker 27 domestic servant born Shropshire
Again mistranscribed as Burnley
1881
Leeds Yorkshire
RG11/4534 folio 7 pg 9
4 Consort Terrace Leeds
Martha Bumby head 39 married born Milnsbridge Yorkshire
Carrie Bumby dau 12 born Manchester
Julius Benedict Boarder 22
Isaia Levi Boarder 17
Kind regards
Su
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Perhaps John went back and forth, or could John travelling in 1880 be another John?
The November 1880 image does show Brumby. He apparently was American.
Looking at census returns, there were:
John H Brumby, born c1844, Vermont. In 1920, living with wife, Mary A., in New York.
John H Brumby, born c1846, England. In 1930, 1920, 1900 (and perhaps more) John was living with wife Electa, in Ohio.
There is a passenger list in 1886 for a John Brumby, American, born in Liverpool, England. (Port of departure was Liverpool, arriving port was New York.) It looks like the intended destination was New York; print too small to read.
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Without using surnames, I tried searching for John or Martha (born within 2 years of their respective dates of birth) returning to the UK within 5 years of 1896. I don't see anything close to their surnames. (Now thinking about it, I didn't try looking for names like Burnley, like Su found.) Perhaps their record could still be there. ::)
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This doesn't help with your current search, but in case you have not seen it, this refers to a mine, "Molly McGregor", and it mentions W.A. Bumby.
http://www.deq.state.mt.us/abandonedmines/linkdocs/techdocs/72tech.asp
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Ooops! sorry about the Brumby, thanks for picking up on it
Lisa.
At least I got the Martha and Carrie right - I hope :D
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Su, I thought you did a wonderful job, and it is helping me look for the family in America. ;D
Something to keep in mind...the Brumby passenger list could still be John. Someone could have misunderstood his name. If he was in the states prior to 1880, he could have been an American citizen by 1880.
Also, he wasn't on the 1881 census that Su found, so he must have been somewhere, eh? (In America?)
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I'm not sure what this is referencing, but posting in case someone else knows:
http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/schellens/other3.htm
(Entry for Bumby, 1880.)
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
Burnley, Brumby=Bumby. I NEVER would have considered that!
Thanks for all of your work in finding how John Henry, Martha and Carrie Bumby came to the USA! The other great info you all found have given me several places I'm eager to do a bit more digging (including the rather random link to sfgenealogy.com that you provided, Lisa in California!)
One more QUESTION: Was there a woman on the 19 September 1881 Arizona, listed as a spinster with the first name of Mary? I have an old letter from John Henry's father, William Bumby, that says, "...Albert [Brook, a grandson of William Bumby] married the young lady that came with Martha...." I have an Albert Brook and wife Mary, but no Maiden Name listed. Mary died at the age of 33 years 11 mo on 29 September 1889. Perhaps a single young lady (born approx. 1855, and about the age of 26 in 1881) was a travelling companion to Martha Bumby on the Arizona? I would appreciate the names of any "spinsters" aboard that ship.
RootsChatters RULE!
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Listed directly under Mrs Martha Bumby and Miss Carrie ", is Miss Mary Ayre, age 25, spinster, born England.
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Glad to have been able to help, but don't forget the John Brumby might not be the correct person on the Arizona in 1880 as Lisa pointed out.
Do you know when Martha died? Or when John Henry died?
As Lisa said the 1890 census was badly burned and the remaining census doesn't seem to include Montana.
I found William and Sarah in Fish Creek Montana in 1880, but you probably already have that.
What year and where did William and Sarah die?
Do you know where Sutcliffe, Joseph, Walter, Jane Ann and Sarah H ended up?
I started going through Butte Montana 1900 District by District, but it's a long job.
Have you any other information on John Henry and Martha around that time that might help?
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Death of John Henry Bumby was in England: BMD June 1908 Stockport 8a 58
Death of Martha Bumby was in England in 1907. Both are buried in Norbury Parish, Stockport, Cheshire (just outside Manchester).
They obviously left the USA at some time and decided to settle again in England... But the route they took back (probably together THIS time) is unknown...
I'll search a bit on Miss Mary Ayre as a possibility. THANK YOU!
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I've fund them in 1901 UK
If you had said they had died here in 1907 and 1908 earlier it would have been a lot easier to find them (thank goodness I didn't trail through Butte 1900 ::) :D
It always helps to give as much info as possible so we can follow forwards or backwards - in this case backwards ;) ;D
1901 RG13/3691 Folio 175 pg 33
Levenshulme Parliamentary Division Stretford
11 Beech Range
John H. Bundy (sic) Head married 56 solicitors law clerk b.Leeds Yorkshire
Martha Bundy (sic) married 58 born Huddersfield
I still haven't found them on a passenger list, even though they must be there somewhere.
If he was still in Butte in 1893 then it must have been after that and before 1901. I wonder if they were still there when Caroline died in 1897
I'll keep looking as it is driving me nuts knowing they must be there somewhere.
Kind regards
Su
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Hi Holly,
I've recently started looking through my Great Granny's family tree information and think i can shed some light on this post.
I'm descended from a John Bumby III, who I think is referred to in some of your searches. My records show John Bumby III born in Leeds, 1840; married to Sarah Ellen Whitaker (1860?) and died in Leeds in 1873.
His parents were John Bumby II, who I believe was born in 30 Aug 1812; Married Susan Asquith (1833) and died in 2 Nov 1812. I believe this John Bumby II had a brother called William, who had a son, Sam that emigrated to Montana. There is a note about Sam emigrating for the gold rush but took to farming.
I have a note that 'Uncle C' was in touch with Sam and there were letters back and forth, I believe Uncle C would be Cuthbert, a son of John Bumby III. I've not seen these letters yet though.
Lisa in California: Perhaps the following will give you another way to search: He was born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England in 1844. His father, William Bumby, was born in Bradford, Yorkshire and his mother, Sarah Sutcliffe Bumby, was born in Tyersall., Yorkshire. His father was listed as a "coal merchant" in 1861 and 1871. In 1861, John Henry was listed as an "office clerk."
I'm not sure the above about John Bumby having a father called William Bumby?
I'm also not sure on who Mrs Martha Bumby and Miss Carrie Bumby are? Would be interesting to see if you have traced them into our tree at some point?
The note I have found that might shed some light is that, In 1872, John Bumby III planned to go join his cousin, Sam in Montana, farming, as hemp? a good life for his sons, + perhaps Brother. But in 1873 he died, a month before joining Sam
I've reached out to you to see if we can swap notes.
Regards
Jack
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Jack,
Same family!
I've sent you a personal message on this site. (Click "MY MESSAGES" link on brown banner above to access).
Please reach out!
Holly
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