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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: neander on Thursday 01 October 09 02:49 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been trying to research the Richards Family, but having little luck.
My GG Grandfather was James Henry Richards, born according to his death certificate, in Tasmania about 1859.
James Henry married Elizabeth Ada Deveraux, who was born at Port Cygnet, Tasmania about 1864. I haven't been able to find a marriage for the couple. James died in 1927 at Wyalong, NSW and Elizabeth died in 1934 at West Wyalong, NSW. To my knowledge they had four children - James Ernest(My Grandfather), Elsie, Lydia and Ada.The children were all born around Wagga Wagga district.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me when James and Elizabeth were married, and if James was definitely born in Tasmania, and if his parents are known.
I appreciate any help that is offered.
Thanks for your time,
Donna
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Hi Donna,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat! ;D
Second marriage perhaps
Elizabeth Ada DEVEREUX was born 16 Jun 1864 Tasmnania parents Peter DEVEREUX and Mary LOWE #1459
DEVEREUX Elizabeth Ada 17 = DAVIS Malcolm 27 on the 1 Jan 1881 Tasmania #1
Cheers Kris :)
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For a start ....
Elizabeth Ada was born 16 June 1864 at Pt Cygnet Parents Peter and Mary LOWE reg 1459/33
Daizi
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Oghhh doubled up sorry, no warning....
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Three children born in Tasmania
DAVIE Emily Jane 17 Oct 1881 #938
DAVIE Mary Elizabeth 12 Jun 1883 #187
DAVEY Susan Florence Elizabeth 25 Jun 1884 #887
Cheers Kris :)
Yes not our fault at the moment Daizi - hopefully Trystan will get things back to normal around here soon. We are so used to the little warning.
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I seems
Malcolm Keith DAVIE was born 14 Nov 1852 parents Sinclair Keith DAVIE and Lucy Jane DONN #1853 - 2233
So far I have not spotted a death for him or a remarriage.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Donna,
No marriage in either NSW or VIC
Children of James H Richards and Elizabeth A
1. James E b 1895 Wagga Wagga
2. Lydia M b 1897 Wagga Wagga
3. Elsie S b 1900 Temora
4. Ada L b 1905 Barmedan
5. Lydia M b 1912 Hay
Online at NSW BDM it states that James H Richards' father was James
James E RICHARDS m Elsie C CUSACK 1928 Wagga Wagga
Elsie S RICHARDS m Edward SAUNDERS 1922 West Wyalong
Lydia M RICHARDS m William D YOUNG 1923 West Wyalong
The only Ada I can find
Ada L RICHARDS m Clifford E JONES 1927 Parramatta
James E RICHARDS d 1971 Bourke
Elsie Clare RICHARDS d 1968 Bourke
Lydia May YOUNG d 1963 West Wyalong
James H Richards' or Elizabeth's death certificates might tell you where he was married.
1936 Electoral Roll
James Ernest RICHARDS West Wyalong - Laborer
I have had a look at Ancestry .com. There is a tree owned by Ken Smith of Queensland who has a bit of information on Elizabeth Ada Devereaux b 16.6.1864 Pt Cygnet Tas d 1934 West Wyalong
Her parents :
Peter Devereaux and Mary Lowe b 25.1.1834 d 1.11.1883
They were married13.7.1847 St Lukes Richmond Tas
Mary Lowes parents:
William Lowe b 1814 Hobart d 1835 Tea Tree Bush Richmond
Hannah Ann Cobb b 1819 Hobart d 27.11.1886 at Carlton at Drummond Vic Ward Coe Copy ??
They were married 8.12.1833 Parish of Brighton Green Ponds Tas { she remarried to John Geust 5.4.1842 St Davids Church Hobart}
Regards
Alison
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Hi,
Here are some burial details.
RICHARDS, James Henry.
Cemetery West Wyalong
Died 4th August, 1927
Section Pres. Row D Lot 18
Inscription Aged 68 years Unmarked Grave
YOUNG, Lydia May.
Cemetery West Wyalong
Died 7th January 1963
SectionRC South Row B2 Lot 15/16
Inscription Aged 64 In Memory Of
Young , William David
Cem West Wyalong.
Died 27th Oct. 1963
Location {As above for LYDIA}
Inscription. In Memory of
Sue
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Hi Everyone,
Thankyou for the welcome.
Thanks for the help that you have all given me. I am very greatfull for it.
Will endeavour to buy James H death certificate and see what it says.
Thanks again,
Donna
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I have found a copy of James Henry's death certificate from family. It says he was born in ?Melbourne(handwriting not real good) Victoria, and that he was 21 years of age when he married - and he married at Tasmania.
Thankyou for your assistance.
Donna
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Is anyone still following this page? If so, I think I may be able to help in our enquiry. I think your James Henry Richards is the brother of my Great-grandmother, Sarah Ann Richards. I have been able to follow his parents and sister over two generations, but our 'Jimmy' disappeared when he was about fifteen. If this page is still active, I would be more than happy to share our information with you.
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Hi Dot,
Welcome to RootsChat neander had asked us to delete her membership which is why she shoes as a guest, she not longer wanted to be updated on any of her topic I am afraid.
Kind Regards
Sarah
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Thankyou Sarah. I thought , because of the time between the date of the first post and my catching up with it, that I might be too late. But it is what it is. Thanks.
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Hi Sarah, I started thinking after reading my reply to you yesterday, and I am wondering if there would be any benefit in my posting my information about James Richards on this page on the off chance that, as James had more than one child, there may be other family members still looking for him who may be able to relate to it or find it of interest. Thanks.
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I have been searching for our James (Jimmy) Richards believed to have lived for a considerable part of his adult life at West Wyalong, and I believe he is also the James Henry Richards who was being discussed on these pages over a period of several years.
Our Jimmy was the son of two Tasmanian convicts - James Richards and Lydia Miles (born Vial). They were married in Launceston in 1848, returned to England and next appeared in 1853 heading to Melbourne from England onboard the Hanover. This was when their first child, Sarah Ann (my Great Grandmother) was born. Her birth is registered in Victoria.
Their second child, James (Jimmy) was born on 25/11/1860 in Inglewood, Victoria. At that time he did not have a middle name. His family were following the gold fields and his birth was registered at Moonambel.
Both parents died in 1868. Sarah was just 15 and was working as a house maid at Snizort, Clunes, Victoria. The owners of Snizort took Jimmy into their care and both children remained at the station. Then Sarah moved to Mooroopna North, Victoria, in 1875 to work as a housekeeper. We don't know if Jimmy, who would then be 15, went with her. Sarah married John Osborne in 1878 and moved to his selection in Drumanure, Victoria. Again, we do not know if Jimmy went with Sarah, but we do know that they kept in touch. We have a photo of Jimmy as a very young man which we believe to have been taken at about that time.
The next we know of him, and it was many years later, was that Jimmy was living in West Wyalong, and had an adult family. My grandfather, Jim Osborne, kept in contact with his cousin (Jimmy's daughter) Lydia Young, until he passed away in 1948 and my father took over and maintained the contact with her until the end of her life in 1963. My father then continued the correspondence with Lydia's daughter, Mona who, I think, was living nearer Sydney. My father died in 1983, and I believe the correspondence had dwindled to just Christmas cards until it had stopped sometime before then.
We have no knowledge of Jimmy's life in the intervening years, but it would make sense that he might return to Tasmania because his parents had many friends and acquaintances there because they had lived there for so many years. Jimmy's father, James Richards, was a convict there for at least seventeen years, and, during that time he spent a considerable amount of time working a for a family named Deveraux. The discussions I have already read on this page suggest that James Henry Richards from West Wyalong was married to an (Elizabeth) Ada Deveraux, had a daughter Lydia (married name Young) and a grandaughter named Mona. I appreciate that this may all be a coincidence, but I think there is enough there to warrant another look.
James Richards (Snr) came to Tasmania 1833 on the Surrey 3, as a result of a gaol clearance at the Surrey Gaol. He was only a very young teenager and I canot find his family named anywhere on his papers.
Lydia Miles arrived in 1841 on the Royal Admiral. Lydia's family name was Vial but she was known to the police as Miles, and that was the name they charged her under. All her records, with the exception of a petition for clemency lodged by her father, are under the name Miles. Her court case is recorded on the Old Bailey website.
Thankyou, and I do hope that this resonates with someone as we would dearly like to find our Jimmy.
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Hi Waranga Dot.
I have found your story very interesting, though I am not related in any way.
I certainly cannot say whether the James Richards being sought by Neander and your chap are one in the same, we should note note a couple of things..
The Launceston marriage of James RICHARDS and Lydia MILES was 1844, not 1848.
James was granted a Conditional Pardon 1846
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65944295?searchTerm=%22james%20richards%20surrey%203%22~3
There was an application for Lydia in 1847
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword=%22lydia%20miles%20Royal%20Admiral%22&l-state=Tasmania
I have not seen Absolute Pardon for either.
Have you?
The main Condition of a Conditional Pardon was of course that you could not leave Australia.
Do you have more information on how they managed to return to England?
You needed Absolute Pardon to undertake that expensive journey!
If I have read correctly, there seems to be no children to this couple from their marriage in 1844, to the birth of Sarah Ann in 1853 on the Hanover, followed by young Jimmy 7 years later.
There is a discrepancy in the age of Lydia at her marriage.
Lydia 23 at marriage in 1844 (b1821)
And Lydia on the ship in 1853 27 (b1826)
Do you have any record of her baptism?
The information on the Death Certificates you have cited look to be scant. >:( by looking at the death index Vic BMD
Could you list all the details that are on them please.
Sue
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I was thinking the same as Sue - I wonder how they would have had the means to return to England. I think they left Tasmania for Port Phillip in 1848 on the Elizabeth, though Lydia is recorded as 'Jane' on the passenger list.
https://libraries.tas.gov.au/Digital/POL220-1-1/POL220-1-1P019
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65977766?searchTerm=richards
Debra :)
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That is interesting Debra. :)
In case Waranga Dot is intending to reply further to their post I searched into the death of Malcolm DAVEY.
He was the husband of Elizabeth Ada DEVEREUX who later partnered with the James Henry RICHARDS according to earlier posts.
The death had not at that time of those earlier posts, been located.
Firstly, this snip gives the whereabouts of Elizabeth and Malcolm DAVEY in 1890
1890 Elizabeth Ada DAVEY suffers an assault in her camp at Zeehan/Strahan
Her husband Malcolm DAVEY arrives on the scene. A court case.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12705430?searchTerm=%22malcolm%20davey%22
So still with him in 1890.
Death and inquest of Malcolm DAVEY 1904, a prospector at Nth Dundas. No mention of wife or children
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9690051?searchTerm=%22malcolm%20davey%22
"When in the hospital last year deceased gave his age as 69 years,
and his birthplace at Mt. Nelson, Hobart"
So, knowing from the few details on James Henry RICHARD's death certificate given that he was married in Tasmania, and knowing from her death certificate and other documents that James' wife was Elizabeth Ada, it looks as if we have the same woman.
Records of birth of children to James and Elizabeth begin in Victoria in 1895 with James Ernest so it is possible that Elizabeth did not know Malcolm had died and therefore did not marry James RICHARDS
Sue