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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: SC on Monday 28 September 09 16:23 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate the census details on this family please for 1851 through 1871
Henry Hole b abt 1820 Matlock area Derby, wife Anna or Hannah b abt 1830 Heanor Derby
In 1881 they are in Eastwood, Notts
Son Henry (Harry) b abt 1860 in Langley Hill/Eastwood, Notts
Sister Sarah A b abt 1870, poss also a brother John b abt 1857
There are several poss marriages for Henry and Anna but not sure if this is a second marriage or not
He may have married a Sarah first
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
SC
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1851 heanor
henry hole 34 coal miner born matlock
hanna wife 24 born heanor
sarah daughter 4 born heanor
1871
eastwood notts
henry hole head 54 miner matlock
hannah wife 44 heanor
john b ? 14 eastwood
henry 10 eastwood
amy 8 eastwood
ann 3 eastwood
sahar a 1 eastwood
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opps 1871 living langley mills
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Hi carolynne
Thank you very much for the censuses
Obviously Henry only married once
First dau Sarah must have died
I think Henry's mother was a Sarah
Interesting to see where the family is in 1861
Many thanks
SC
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1861
Eastwood, Notts
RG9/2341/103/33
Henry HOLE, 41, head, mar, Coal Miner, Matlock, Derbys
Hannah, 34, wife, born Heaton, Derbys
Sarah, 11, dau, unm, scholar, born Langley, Derbys
Elizabeth, 9, dau, unm, scholar, Langley, Derbys
Hannah, 6, dau, unm, scholar, Eastwood, Notts
John, 4, son, Eastwood, Notts
Harry, son, 8mths, Eastwood, Notts
William ELLIS, lodger, 60, unm, ag lab, born Ashover, Derbys
Trish :)
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Yes, she was
Henry HOLE
Born, 22 December 1818, Matlock, Derby, England
Christened, 10 January 1819
Mother Sarah HOLE
Sibling on same batch, extracted record IGI;
DANIEL Hole, born 26 Feb 1820, Christened 18 March 1821, Matlock, Derby
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The only things I can find on Daniel are 1841 Census where he is a brickmaker, living with the Booth Family in Edensor, Derbys and Marriage in Derby to either;
Lydia Young or Mary Woodhouse, Sept 1847, Bakewell,
19 288
Maybe he immigated somewhere?
In fact there are only 12 BMD's for a Daniel Hole at all 1840-1934. T
Trish
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Maybe Sarah Married;
Sarah HOLE/Thomas STRANGE, 12 August 1826, Matlock, Derbys, England.
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Hi Trish
Thank you very much for the 1861, they had quite a big family
I have found some of the later children's birth entries (thanks to carolynne's help) in Basford dist which covers Eastwell and Heanor and deaths for Hannah and Sarah in 1868 and 69
But certainly the surname is open to misspelling/mistranscription
I cannot find births for John unless he's John Tom or for Harry at all
I'm even having trouble tracking a poss marriage for Henry pre 1847 (first Sarah age 4 in 1851)unless he's under Hall
I guess it is poss mother Sarah got married
I'm not bothering to trace Daniel at this point, enough to trace Henry and his connections!
Can either of you see Henry in 1841??
Thanks for your help so far
SC
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1861 census hannah is b heanor Derbys - not heaton
and it is langley mill -not Langley Mills
eastwood -not eastwell
langley Mill is on Notts/derbys border - most of it is in derbys -some in Notts - but the postal address is Notts
langley mill is down in the "dip" between heanor and Eastwood
Wonder if this is henry in 1841?
Normanton Woodhouse S Normanton derbys (appro 7 miles from heanor)
Thomas Sims 25 farmer
Daniel Sims 20 ag lab
Henry Hole 20 ag lab
Thomas green 9 ag lab
martha Martin 75
all b in county
HO107 195 17 4 4
Suz
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Hi suzard
That is indeed a poss for Henry as it's not far away
Pity the Daniel is a Sims not a Hole or it would be very definite!!!
I certainly think Henry's mother Sarah married Thomas Strange as I found them on the Matlock area census in 1841 (on the Wirksworth site) with a bunch of children
However there was no sign of Henry or his brother Daniel so the 1841 for Daniel that Trish found is also a very good possibility
Thanks to you all for your help, very much appreciated
SC
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Daniel is transcribed as Daniel Hall on later census - he could possibly be "your" Daniel
It looks like he married Lydia and she died between 1851-1861 and Daniel remarried
on 1851/61/71 census he gives occ as Plate layer Railway and is living in Oughtibridge bradfield Yorks
1851 with wife Lidia both born Tansley Derbys - 2 children
1861 with wife mary b bradfield,Daniel b Matlock Derbys 3 children 2 lodgers
1871 Daniel b Crich Derbys wife mary b bradfield 2 children
full census if you require them
Suz
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...also
1841 Thomas and Sarah Strange are living in Tansley
(which is in Civil parish of Crich and sub reg district matlock)
and daniel gives p.o.b. as Tansley then Matlock then Crich - so it coud be him???
Suz
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Hi suzard
Thank you for tracing Daniel - certainly looks like the correct one and since you have found him the full details would be much appreciated
1881 he is listed as age 48 but born Tansley so has to be him, Mary not home, only a son George
I had found the 1841 for Thomas and Sarah as that is on-line
Thanks very much
SC
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1881 -as you say his age is given as 48 -yet he was 50 in 1871!!!
1851
Oughtibridge Bradfield Yorks
Daniel Hall Head M 30 plate layer railway Tansley Derbys
Lidia wife 29 Tansley Derbys
Elizabeth daughter 1 bradfield Yorks
Sarah daughter 8mths Bradfield Yorks
HO107 2335 424 26
1861
Oughtibridge Bradfield Yorks
Daniel Hll head M 40 Plate layer Railway Matlock Derbys
Mary wife 30 Bradfield Yorks
Elizabeth daughter 12 bradfield
Emma daughter 4 bradfield
George son 2 Bradfield
Thomas Hodgson Boarder U 19 Rwy lab Hunts
Yhomas Hodgson sen U 20 Rwy lab Hunts
RG9 3460 81 16
1871
Oughtibridge bradfield Yorks
Daniel hall head M 50 Plate layer Crich Derbys
Mary wife 47 bradfield
Emma daughter 14 bradfield
George son 12 Bradfield
RG10 4659 110 44
Suz
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Well done Suzard is finding Daniel :)
Work has got in the way for me last couple of days ::)
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Hi suzard
Thank you so much for posting the censuses
It is all very helpful
Many thanks
SC
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Hi SC,
There are 2 submitted records on Familysearch that have Sarah marrying Thomas Strange on one and the other has;
Sarah HOLE, born abt 1796, Tansey, Derbys
Parents,
George Hole, born abt 1777, Breage, Derbys
Ann Lee, bt 1780, Derby
Married, 26 November 1805, Crich, Derby
There is indeed a Extracted marriage William/Ann on that date but why is Sarah born 1793? Unless George had a first marriage?
I think you need a posting on the Derbyshire Board asking for a look-up of a christening of Sarah Hole abt 1795+/- a few years Crich/Tansey area.
Cheers,
Trish
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It is Tansley Derbys - not Tansey
Suz
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Sorry Suzard, thanks for the correction. I have a mind block with certain names of places and even when I double check make mistakes :-[
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there is a baptism IGI extracted
Sarah Lee
chrstened 10 July 1796 Crich Derbys
father Thomas lee
there are other children baptised in Crich with father Thomas - some have mother Hannah/Anna
Wonder if Ann was married previously
Suz
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Sorry Suzard, thanks for the correction. I have a mind block with certain names of places and even when I double check make mistakes :-[
It's easily done - especially if you have a keyboard like mine where some keys stick !!!! and the letters have worn off!!!!
Suz
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Mmm, quite a complicated Family ::)
Yes, mine sticks all the time and its only 6mths old!
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Hi Mum, suzard and Trish
Thank you all for all this info
I have had a look at the IGI messages etc and also checked the Wirksworth PR site and I think we are talking 2 different Sarah Hole's esp with that last chr in 1796
On Henry's rec 1819 it says mother Sarah from Riber
On Daniel's rec 1821 it says mother Sarah from Matlock
On the marriage rec 1826 for Thomas Strange and Sarah Hole it says Sarah is from Matlock so I think
based on that that they are linked and that the George/Ann one is the Crich area
However in that case I do need to find "my" Sarah's chr abt 1793 which does not seem to be on the site I was using
Thanks
SC
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Hi everyone.
You have no idea how pleased I am to come across your conversation. Henry was my g x2 granddad. His son John was my great granddad and his daughter Eliza was my gran. I believe that before leaving the Tansley area, Henry worked in the cotton mill there.
I have been searching for Henry's parents for months and months; 1, for my own family records and 2, (You'll like this!) because a Henry Hole was involved in the Pentrich uprising of 1817. The whole saga can be found on the Pentrich Revolution website. It is a very important piece of English History. Henry gave evidence against the revolution leaders which led to executions, imprisonment and transportation.
I see the Woodward crest at the side of some messages. One of my great aunts from the Hole family that I knew well was Amy Woodward, my Gran's sister. Her children were Dorcas, Amy and Ken.She lived at Hill Top and was lovely. Is it the same connection?
Many thanks for your information
Judy
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Hi Judy
Well what a coincidence - very interesting
I've just read up on the Pentrich Rebellion which I must admit to knowing nothing about
The Henry Hole mentioned could well be a distant relative but he's not Henry 1819's father
If your gt grandfather John married a Sarah Webster then we are talking the same family though I haven't done much research on John as Harry is my connection
If that is the case and you wish to exchange data since we are talking recent relatives then please PM me
Thanks
SC
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Hi SC
I'm sorry, I'm new to RootsChat, so I don't know what PM is. I have a photograph of Sarah and some other bits and pieces, but I can't seem to attach them for you. I blame my age.
We are certainly talking about the same relatives. My g. grandparents were John and Sarah and my Dad was named Harry after your Harry!
Let me know how to send bits to you and I'll do so with pleasure
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Hi Judy
I have sent you a PM (personal message) so will take it from there
SC
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only found this website when looking for 'the coal hole' in matlock, but thought i should log a comment, i live in the matlock area and my best friend is a 'Hole' and also my dad hails from langley mill. my husbands grandmother is also a hole. he has followed his family tree back to 1066 accurately! however not the hole side!
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Hi evaleonie
Welcome to RootsChat
Interested to know you have a connection to a Hole family and the area - is it to the same family as mine I wonder - there are quite a few with that surname in the area
I'm intrigued to know what the "coal hole" in Matlock refers to - is it to do with a certain coal field or mine ??
SC
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no bless you, i was wanting to buy some coal!! are you in England?? my husband is moaning because he has been on one of these websites before and he says it can get very involved explaining the geography. depending on what part of the hole family you are researching, you should look at the following areas:
holestone moor, eddlestowe and slack. who and when are your most recent entries? we might be able to tie them together with the ones we know. both myself and husband are from old farming families in the area.
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I have a picture of Dolly Hole outside her haberdashery in King William Street, Ironville, Derbyshire. Ironville is now included in postcod NG16 as are Hilltop & Langley Mill so not so far away. Just in case you are interested and/or there is a connection.
In the photo Dolly is in Edwardian Dress I would think dating it to about 1910 time
She is very pretty and looks aged about 20 to 30.
Mog
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I have also found a trade advertisement dated 1897 for J Hole & Son, hatter, boot maker of King William Street Ironville
Please let me know if there is a connection
Mog