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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: jillinderby on Monday 28 September 09 16:11 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone could help me please? I am trying to trace the birth of my ancestor, John Whittle. I have all the census returns for him which show his place of birth as Mountsorrel. (In 1841 and 1851 he lived in Mountsorrel South). His marriage certificate shows his father's name as also John Whittle.
I have looked on the IGI index and cannot find any entry for him in Mountsorrel. However, there is an entry for a John Whittle born in 1815, father's name John Whittle in Queniborough. I know these two places are fairly close to each other so it is possible, at that time, that Mountsorrel may have come under Queniborough?
Thanks,
Jill
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i would imagine so they are very close.
xin
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Greeting’s & Welcome. ….Jill.
1810.
Christ Church Parish Church
Mountsorrel ( South )
John Son of John Whittle…..Bapt. …11th February.
Looks like the above John dies because we get this :~
1811.
Same Church…….
John. Son of John Whittle. …..Bapt…..28th. April.
Possible Marriage for John ( Snr)
1803.
Rothley Parish Church.
John Whittle. ~ Ann WALDRAM.
8th. February.
By Banns.
The Baptism in Queniborough.:~
1815.
St: Mary’s Parish Church.
John. Son of John & Mary Whittle …….Bapt. 13th. November.
Father is a Carpenter.
Other siblings :~
1816….William…..20th. Oct.
1819... Harry. 21st. Nov..
1819. ..Thomas. 21st. Nov.
1824... Ann.21st. Nov.
Unfortunately both separate villages come under :~
The District of Barrow – Upon – Soar.
Queniborough is 5.4 miles due East of Mountsorrel.
So it’s not easy to say for sure which one is yours ……
Unless you have any sibling names for your John ?
MIKE.
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Dear Mike,
Thank you so much for all the information. I forgot to mention that on John Whittle's marriage certificate he had entered his father's profession as a framework knitter. So, unless the one in Queniborough changed his job, I think we can safely rule that one out.
The John Whittle born in 1811 is a strong possibility but the date doesn't tie in. I know we shouldn't put too much emphasis on exact ages when researching family history but he was consistent with his age on his marriage certificate and every census. Also, it seems that the IGI index for Mountsorrel doesn't seem to go beyond 1811. Do you know if there are any parish registers available for after 1811?
I don't know if he had any siblings but on the 1841 census, when he was 25, he was living in Mountsorrel South with Henry Whittle aged 30. Possibly his brother?
Thanks again for all your help.
Jill
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the mountsorrel PRs are available in Loughborough library as well as the leicester record office (see Mike!!). however the L'boro library is now closed for an uplift until November.
if you are still wanting to check anything then i will be happy to go in and check. please see details about all records on the Leics villages site:
http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/mountsorrel/mountsorrellibrary.html
Diddy
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Hi diddymiller,
Thanks for that information and the link. I will try and get to the Leicester record office but if I don't manage it, I'll probably take you up on your very kind offer in November.
Thanks,
Jill
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Greeting’s Again. …Jill. & Diddy Miller....
You’ve No deed to go to the Records Office……… ;)
I had a few minutes to spare today so did the look ups for you…….
First I had it down as Christ Church Parish South Mountsorrel….
But their Records did not start till 1884……..
So did a bit of digging around and found the Events……..
Theses events were conducted at :~
St Mary’s & St John the Parish Church ROTHLEY.
Apparently South end Mountsorrel is a Chapelry of this Parish
And there is separate records with events for Mountsorrel South end
Within the Parish records for Rothley.
So. ………We get.:~
1810.
John. Son of John Whittle and his wife ( Not named) …Bapt. …11th. Feb.
A Macaulay. Vicar.
1811.
John Son of John & Ann Whittle….Bapt. 28th. April.
A. Macaulay. Vicar.
Sorry did not have time to check out for a burial of the first John.
St Mary’s & St: John the Baptist. Rothley.
MARRIAGE. ANNO DOMINI :~ 1803.
Entry No’. 106.
John Whittle of the Parish of South end Mountsorrel.of this Parish.
Ann WALDRAM. Of the same Parish.
Married in this Church by Banns
This Eighth Day of February
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Three.
By Me :~ A. Macaulay. Vicar.
BOTH signed the register in their own signatures.
In the Presence of :~
John Fowkes.
Ann Hardy.
I’ll have a look at that possible burial next time I’m at the Records Office
Unfortunately this will not be till mid November
as it’s their Annul Stock Take closure till then……….
MIKE.
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Thanks Mike, you're a star! ;D So it does look as though this is our John Whittle.
Thank you so much for going to all that trouble for me, finding all that information and for saving me a trip to Leicester.
Best wishes,
Jill
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" Your very Welcome.".... ;)
MIKE.
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ta Mike!!
bit of local info - mountsorrel is a very long village which stretches along what is now the old A6 -Loughborough to leicester (and further). mountsorrel south would then continue into Rothley - the last village before seperate Birstall and leicester outskirts.
Diddy ;D
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Greeting’s…Again Diddymiller.
Not forgetting the Back Lane into Rothley
From the Green Mountsorrel…..to the Green in Rothley.
Which runs parallel to the A6 which has the Rose Garden on it.
;D........Enjoy your rest from the Loughborough Library….. ;D
MIKE.
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That's interesting about the north/south Mountsorrel. I have a lot of Antills in the village and wondered about the Northend/Southend addresses. I've currently got two Thomas Antills, both born 1785, one we have baptised 30 Oct in Rothley with his father as Benjamin, the other we have no baptism date (and no father), but the IGI has 23 Oct in Mountsorrel with father Benjamin. They can't both be sons of Benjamin so one of us is wrong. There are two Thomas Antills on the 1841 census with different wives and family. One is at Mountsorrel Northend, the other is at Southend. So it's clear that the two are separate men rather than the same re-marrying. Now that I know that the Loughborough library will be closed, I'll ask the local relative to visit the record office in Leicester.
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Yes the library reopens on Monday 16th november. sadly i didn't make it back in before it closed to borrow a possible of 24 books!!!
Nothing to read, so all yours! Diddy ;D
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Greeting's & Welcome. ....Mareanna.
Tell your relative that the Records Office is also Closed now till
Monday 12th. November.@ 9.15. AM.
Stock Taking....
MIKE.
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don't forget the local libraries.
mountsorrels library has a local section wtih:
Information about the local community including parish, district and county information
Local studies information including books and village file on Mountsorrel | Census returns and parish registers
Ancestry Library Edition is available in this library free of charge to do family history research.
Diddy. all is not lost! ;D