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I wondered if anyone has Rainsfords in their family?
My great grandmother was Rosina (Rose) b May 10th 1868 in Aston, Birmingham, d 12th May 1946 in Solihull, Warwickshire.
She married William Mitchell (1864 - 5/8/1950) in June 1889 in Birmingham.
She was an umbrella furniture lacquerer and he was a coachman/groom (ref 1891 census) and they lived at that time at 4 Milton Terrace at the back of Alfred Rd, Sparkhill, Birmingham, Warks. There is also a sister-in-law living there called Florence Rainsford.
In 1881 there is a Rainsford family at 99 Emily St, Bordesley, B'ham:
Edward b 1834 (occ Stamper)
Sarah b 1839 (occ 'washing')
Emma b 1861
Edward b 1863 (occ Stamper)
James b 1866
Rose(Rosina?) 1868
John b 1869
George b 1870
Thomas b 1871
Frank b 1874
Sarah b 1875
Emily (no date)
Elizabeth b 1878
The mother, Sarah, could be nee Blackwell but there is also a possible Lapwell but I can find no records for that name.
There may also be an Elizabeth Rainsford b 1858 and a Henry b 1869??
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The mother, Sarah, could be nee Blackwell but there is also a possible Lapwell but I can find no records for that name.
Hi
Based upon what you have said, this looks likely to be the marriage (from FreeBMD):
Marriage Sep qtr 1856
Blackwell Sarah
Rainsford Edward
on same page, Aston 6d 333
Anna :)
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Thanks very much Anna :)
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Hi - I have no connection to your family -but thought these earlier census may help???
1861
2 Albert Place
back of Moseley St
Bordersley
Aston
Edward Rainsford Head M 29 stamper Birmingham warwicks
Sarah wife 26 bath Somerset
Elizabeth daughter 4 Birmingham
Emma daughter 2yr 6 mth Birmingham
Sarah daughter 1 Birmingham
RG9 2171 125 25
possibly daughter Sarah died- I can't locate her on later census -there is a death reg freeBMD
Sarah Rainsford Dec qtr 1861 Aston 6d 153
Suz
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Hi Shan :)
Sorry, no Rainsfords in my Tree but found this;
Marriage;
Edward RAINSFIELD
September 1856
Aston 6d 333
On same page Sarah BLACKWELL
Birth;
Elizabeth RAINSFORD
June 1857
Aston 6d 231
The Henry 1869, is probably the John on 1881 Census.
John Henry Rainsford, September 1868, Aston, 6d 250
Cheers,
Trish
EDIT< Sorry all, no notification to other postings ::)
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1871
24 Conybere? St Bordersley Aston
Rdward Rainsford head M 37 stamper Birmingham
Sarah wife 34 bath Somerset
Elzabeth daughter 13
Emma daughter 12
Edward son 8
James son 5
Rosina daughter 3
Henry son 2
children all b Birmingham
RG10 3136 83 9
Suz
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Thanks very much to you all! I don't know how sometimes I miss names in certain census records, I can only put it down to genealogy brain fag, lol!! ;D
The Conybere ? may well be 'Street' as that is a road in the right vicinity of Birmingham.
All info is greatly appreciated.
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1841 Census
HO107/1149/3/Aston
Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Edward RANSFORD, 50, Plasterer, No
Elizabeth, 50, No
Eliza, 15, No
Elizabeth, 12, No
John, 10, No
EDWARD, 8, No
Sarah, 4, Yes
James, 2, Yes
Louisa, 6 (mths ?), Yes
1851 Census
1 Court Camphitt?
Aston, Birmingham
HO107/2060/484/10
Elizabeth RAINSFORD, head, unm, 22, ? furniture guilder, born Walsall, Staffs
EDWARD, brother, unm, 18, in the tin trade, born Walsall
William, brother, unm, 16, brass foundry worker, born Walsall
Sarah, sister, unm, 14, steel pin maker, born Birmingham
James, brother, unm, 12, brass foundry boy, born Birmingham
Trish
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here they are in later census - but I have a feeling edward may not have always been truthful with age and p.o.b.!!!!
He was possibly b Staffs not Warwicks
1891
back 309 Percy Rd Yardley Woecester
james Riansford Head m 24 Sramper Birmingham
Harriet wife 22 Birmingham
John H son 3 Birmingham
William son 8 mth Yardley Worcester
Edward father M 62 Stamper Walsall Stafford
Sarah mother M 54 bath
Laura sister 12 Birmingham
RG12 2464 45 25
1901
24 Ct 1 24 barford St Aston
Henry J Rainsford Head M 31 brass stamper Birmingham
Louisa H wife 30 Glass beveller Birmingham
Sarah mother W 62 Bath
Harold son 9 Birmingham
Henry J son 7 irmingham
William J son 5 Birmingham
Walter son 2 Birmingham
RG13 2835 170 25
then there is
1851
1 causthorn? Hill
Bordersley
Elizabeth Rainsford Head U 22 Coffin Furniture Gilder Walsall Staffs
Edward brother U 18 in the tin trade Walsall Stafford
William brother U 16 brass founder worker Walsall Stafford
Sarah sister 14 steel pen maker Birmngham warwicks
James brother 12 Brass founder's boy irmingham
HO107 2060 484 10
1841
Hold St Aston
Eliza Ransford 15 no
Elizabeth 12 no
John 10 no
Edward 8 no
William 6 no
Sarah 4 yes
james 2 yes
Louise 6 yes
Edward 52 Plasterer J no
Elizabeth 50 no
HO107 1149 3 34 21
Suz
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apologies for repeating -no notification
Suz
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1841 Census
HO107/1149/3/Aston
Aston, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Edward RANSFORD, 50, Plasterer, No
Elizabeth, 50, No
Eliza, 15, No
Elizabeth, 12, No
John, 10, No
EDWARD, 8, No
Sarah, 4, Yes
James, 2, Yes
Louisa, 6 (mths ?), Yes
1851 Census
1 Court Camphitt?
Aston, Birmingham
HO107/2060/484/10
Elizabeth RAINSFORD, head, unm, 22, ? furniture guilder, born Walsall, Staffs
EDWARD, brother, unm, 18, in the tin trade, born Walsall
William, brother, unm, 16, brass foundry worker, born Walsall
Sarah, sister, unm, 14, steel pin maker, born Birmingham
James, brother, unm, 12, brass foundry boy, born Birmingham
Trish
Yes I just found those too Trish (Elizabeth is a coffin furniture gilder, the 1851 address is 1 Court, Camphill), but can't tie them in with a definite link yet - nor the Florence who was living with Wm & Rose in the 1891 census ???
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Lol, I agree with you there Suzard, about the truth-bending..although to be fair they only had to think about it every ten years ;D
Thank you kindly for the help :)
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Possible death reg
he did live in Solihull reg dist at 1891 census - but age differs again!!!
Death FreeBMD
Edward Rainsford
Sept qtr 1891
age 60
Solihull
6d 290
Suz
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Florence is a mystery ::)
There is a birth 1876 on FreeBMd for a Florence Rainsford but I cant find her on any other Census. Also on 1901 Thomas Rainsford has a wife Florence ::) She seems to be Florence Wilkes he married 1894, Aston.
Cant find her on any other Census.
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She is a mystery isn't she? Hmmmm... I may have to do various spelling differences on this.. apparently the Rainsfords were quite prolific in the 1800s too.
It's times like these when you wish you had a really unusual family name, though I feel for the Smiths of this world, lol!!
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there is a daughter sarah .c. 1875 on 1881 census - I couldn't find her in 1891 - wonder if she was really Florence??? (their fisrt daughter called Sarah seems to have died)
Suz
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Yes Sarah disappeared didn't she, and a couple of others...
Why would Sarah be Florence though?
Florence was b 1/4 of 1876 in Aston, just found that!
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Hi,
Re Rainsfords just replied to a request from someone at Rootschat, never heard of this site before!
I am related to the Rainsfords, Thomas was my great grandfather and Florence was his wife (nee Wilks). I have a photocopy of Thomas' birth certificate which has been handed down the family to me and on that it states that Thomas Wilks was born on 16th April 1874 at Leopold Street Aston to Edward Rainsford and Sarah Rainsford formerly Lapwell. The birth was registered on 6th May, 1874 Sub district Deritend Warwick where Sarah had made her mark.
If you have access to Ancestry then I had download the certificate to my tree - Hardeman/Doody/Harris where you will also find photos of Sarah and Edward and also one of Thomas and Florence.
I have looked at your discovery and will now need to do more research myself.
I would love to hear more of your search and if I can be of any help please let me know.
Good luck
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Sorry long day lol - should say Thomas Rainsford born 16/04/1874 (not Wilks as I typed)
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Photo of Thomas and Florence
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Edward Rainsford
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Welcome Diane :)
I contacted on a whim after seeing your lovely photos ;D
Thank you for joining in.
Sarah consistantly has her POB as Bath, Somerset abt 1837.
1851 Census
13 Beaufort Square,
Walcot, Somerset
HO107/1943/45/37
John BLACKWELL,46, Iron Founder/Journeyman, born Bath
Sarah, 54, wife, Bristol
Laura, 21, straw bonnett maker, Bath
John, 18, Errand boy, Bath
SARAH, 15, born Bath
James, 14, errand boy, Bath
Emma, 11, scholar, Bath
Ellen, 19, neice, duss maker, Bath
Isaac ROBBINS, 40, visitor, mar, Smith, Bath
Henry STEVENS, 17, visitor, unm, boot/shoe maker, Bristol
Got to rush off to work ::)
Back on tonight.
Trish
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Hi Diane, thanks for the info - it ties in with some of mine which is great! Actually I have seen your pictures as I found your tree a couple of weeks ago - maybe that's where I picked up the name Lapwell, but couldn't find any more about her.
Is your Thomas the same one who's parents were Edward & Sarah, making Thomas my Rosina's brother?
I was just about to start looking at the Rainsford boys to see if Florence was Rainsford by marriage and not birth, you may have just saved me some searching!! :D
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Hi,
Yes we have the same Thomas, brother of Rosina. I cannot recall meeting him but I would have been to young to remember however I often met Florence, his wife, and as you have probably seen she lived to the grand old age of 102. Her party piece every birthday, right up to her last, was to stand up and touch her toes!
Thomas was my paternal great grandfather. He and Florence went onto to have 5 children of their own, including a Thomas and Florence.
I would love to know more about Rosina if you would like to let me know anything, particularly any photos you might have. Two of Thomas' grandchildren are still with us, one being my own Dad, and I know he would be thrilled to hear more.
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What a revelation - what does that make us then - 2nd cousins 5 times removed? lol! ;D
Good old Florence, what a girl!!
Rosina was my paternal great grandmother but as she died in 1946 I never met her. She is the one person in the family who interests me most, I don't know why. My nan (her daughter) also died a few years ago, and my dad knows very little of the family, but my aunt might know more, and I know there are a couple of photos of her but I don't know who has them. I will phone my aunt soon and pick her brains!! :)
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I love a happy ending ;D
But I must remind you that you need another of the childrens birth certs to confirm Sarahs maiden name.
Rosina RAINSFORD
June 1868
Aston 6d 276
Daine,
The Cert you have is it an original hand-written copy or typed Cert?
Mistakes can be made in Transcription.
Trish :)
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OOOPPS :-[
Just realised I put Rainsfield instead of Rainsford on marriage info to Sarah Blackwell.
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We're on the case Trish ;)
I have more time to research so will do all I can to find some definites now I'm starting to get a bit of order going (she says, optimistically) ;D
Typical isn't it, that I ordered William's birth certificate instead of his & Rosina's marriage cert like I was going to do! ::) ;D
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Come back at let us all know the outcome please ;)
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Rosina's line I'm sure of, I hope I'm right, I think I'm right, cos Blackwell seems to fit perfectly, and I found lots of other relatives for her going way back, which I've mailed to Diane so she can check out when she has time. It's fantastic because I'd tried for years to find that family line without any success at all - I'm so chuffed to bits to have got so far with all of them, and I feel a few 'parish' trips coming on soon, lol! ;D
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i am a rainsfor as well. at least my grandmother is. :-) i'm trying to research her family & have come across some of the same names that you guys have but i'm not sure if they're my rainsfords. i'm over here in the states so record searching is a bit more difficult. this is what i have & if it matches anyone else's info, please let me know. i'd love to coordinated w/ you. i'll start w/ my grandmom.
eileen rainsford 26 mar 1927
(siblings anthony (tony), dorothy, brenda)
parents:
francis (frank) b. about 1905
doris jones b 21 mar 1904
married @ liverpool reg. office 13 nov 1926
frank's father is john henry rainsford born about 1865-1870 possibly in ireland
doris' father is james jones (no b-day)
again, any help or info is appreciated! thanks so much from a yankee cousin! :)
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Hi,
I have had a quick look at my tree and I don't think there is a connection I am afraid. I will take a another look when I can and will contact you if I find anything. I notice you are also on Ancestry, so am I, feel welcome to take a look at my tree Hardeman/Doody/Harris.
Good Luck
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i don't have a membership, just store my tree there. if you send me a request, i may be able to view the tree.
i was able to find a little more info. francis' father, john henry, was born in ireland. his wife, ann, was born in england. they lived in liverpool as of the 1911 census & had 8 children at that time. i found her deat record & believe she may have possibly died in childbirth in 1914. j.h. died in 1924.
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Hi again,
I have just sent you an invite on Ancestry so hopefully you can have a look, hope it helps, let me know how you get on.
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i think it still may be possible that we're related, maybe there is a cousin connection.
this is the info i have on my rainsford (1911 census)
RAINSFORD, John Henry Husband Married M 42 1869 Dock Labourer Kilcavan Co Wicklow Resident
RAINSFORD, Ann Wife Married 15 years F 36 1875 Oddington Gloucestershire
RAINSFORD, John Henry Son M 14 1897 Errand Boy Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, James Patrick Son M 12 1899 School Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Edward Joseph Son M 10 1901 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Mary Daughter F 9 1902 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Lawrence Son M 7 1904 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Francis Son M 5 1906 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Ann Daughter F 3 1908 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
RAINSFORD, Thomas Son M 1 1910 Liverpool Toxteth Park Lancs
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I wondered if anyone has Rainsfords in their family?
My great grandmother was Rosina (Rose) b May 10th 1868 in Aston, Birmingham, d 12th May 1946 in Solihull, Warwickshire.
She married William Mitchell (1864 - 5/8/1950) in June 1889 in Birmingham.
She was an umbrella furniture lacquerer and he was a coachman/groom (ref 1891 census) and they lived at that time at 4 Milton Terrace at the back of Alfred Rd, Sparkhill, Birmingham, Warks. There is also a sister-in-law living there called Florence Rainsford.
In 1881 there is a Rainsford family at 99 Emily St, Bordesley, B'ham:
Edward b 1834 (occ Stamper)
Sarah b 1839 (occ 'washing')
Emma b 1861
Edward b 1863 (occ Stamper)
James b 1866
Rose(Rosina?) 1868
John b 1869
George b 1870
Thomas b 1871
Frank b 1874
Sarah b 1875
Emily (no date)
Elizabeth b 1878
The mother, Sarah, could be nee Blackwell but there is also a possible Lapwell but I can find no records for that name.
There may also be an Elizabeth Rainsford b 1858 and a Henry b 1869??
my great-great grandfather is john henry rainsford born 1869 (april 26) in ireland. his son, francis (frank) rainsfor is my great grand father (b. about 1905). francis had 4 children: eileen (1927), anthony (tony) 1930, dorothy (doris) 1936, brenda (1937). i know john henry's wife was ann but i don't have her maiden name nor do i have any info on either of their parents. i'm pretty stuck on this line of my tree b/c i'm over here in the states. if you have any info, i'd really appreciate it.
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Hiya im on here I came arcoss this website as I was also looking for family of rainsford.
My nans Maiden name is shirley rainsford.
( davies) married name
Her mom my great nan is Elizabeth rainsford Who married twice (lyons) ( douglas)
And her mom my great great nan is Elizabeth rainsford Who married william rainsford they . Both great great nan and grandad are burried în witton cementry birmingham. There are also more rainsford burried close by witch I belive to be great great aunts and I no a child rainsford is there to. Not sure if its same relation thou. Il have to ask my nan. I do no that Elizabeth rainsford my great great nan ( my nans nan) hâd about 12 kids. Tiny lady she was.