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Hello,
I am having a bit of trouble with my poor lost Lambs. According to Alexander Lamb's wedding certificate to Mary Ann Lamb (nee Harriman), he was born 1857 and she in 1861. I know from a later census and a later marriage that she was born in Montreal, Quebec (although I would believe it if you found her being born in Ilkeston as her family lived there, despite the fact I have her Canadian birth record). I *think* my Alexander was born in Durham, due to other linking infos I have been researching, but I want to find him on a census with Mary Ann, to prove that Alexander is definitely my Alexander (as I don't want to bark up the wrong tree).
The problem is, I can't find any Alexander and Mary Ann Lamb on the 1881 census. They married in 1876 in Barnsley Register Office and he was living in Stairfoot, and she was living in Hoyle Mill. 1884-1886 they were in Stairfoot as 2 of their children were born there. 1887 they were in South Kirby, Pontefract as their 3rd child was born there. Alexander died in 1890, so the 1891 census is no good as Mary Ann by this time has remarried and is living with her children and new husband Walter G. Asquith in Ardsley. If we have no luck I will try the Derbyshire board as her parents, Mary (b. 1841, Quebec, Canada) and James Harriman (b. 1839 Ilkeston) are also missing in 1881, only for James to resurface, a widower in 1891, also in Ardsley.
I have tried A*******, FindMyPast and IGI so if anyone has any other 1881 census transcripts for the Barnsley/Ardsley/South Kirby areas I would be very thankful as it will allow me to confirm my Durham suspicions about Alexander and work further back on the Lamb family tree, which will make my Mum's day.
standardcrow
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Hi standardcrow
What was Alexander's occupation at marriage and at the birth of his children please?
Evie
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Miner. Sorry, I forgot that bit, kind of important really!
standardcrow
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Hi
Proving difficult. Can you give me the reference number for James found in Ardsley in 1891 please?
Evie
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Sorry it's 1901 when Mary Ann is with Walter Asquith. 1891 she is living with her Dad in Ardsley at: Class: RG12; Piece: 3770; Folio 22; Page 38. I'm pretty sure in 1881 they will be in Stairfoot though.
Beth
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Hi Beth
I'm still looking, I'll keep at it, but no joy yet I'm afraid.
Evie
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Hi Beth
Still missing I'm afraid. :(
Last attempt - do you have the full address at Stairfoot where the first two children were born or the full address where Alexander and Mary Ann were living at the time of marriage?
Evie
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Hello Beth
Just a couple of thoughts.
Alex and Mary Ann were married in 1876 and son James came along in c1885 followed by Joseph c1887 and Albert c1890. The 9 year gap between marriage and James’s arrival seems somewhat unusual – have you researched birth records to confirm that he was the first-born?
Also re Mary Ann’s parents, there is this for 1881:
1881 census
(RG11 Piece 4600, Folio18, Page31)
41, Albion Rd, Ardsley
HARRISON, James, Head, Married, 40, Colliery Lab, born Ilkeston, Derbyshire
HARRISON, Mary, Wife, Married, 39, born Ireland
The transcription as “Harrison” appears to be correct and I realise that there are other obvious data queries (Mary born Ireland!) but I have been unable to find James and Mary Harrison in 1871.
Ivan
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Aaaah, I do have a family story which is soooo random that I don't believe it plus it didn't fit in with the wedding certificate!
My Great Aunty said that Alexander's family were well off and didn't approve of Mary Ann. So they sent him to America for 10 years to stop him marrying her but he came back afterwards and married her anyway. This made no sense whatsoever unless they sent him to the US aged 8 and seen as his Dad is listed on his wedding certificate as a colliery foreman, this didn't fit in either. I thought maybe she was confusing Alexander with Mary Ann's being born in Canada. Nevertheless, maybe no kids turned up for so long BECAUSE he was in America but after they got married. Doubt it was cos of family disapproval though, miners being funny about miner's kids doesn't quite ring true. On 1911 census Mary Ann says she had 3 kids which died sadly not whether they were Walter Asquith's or Alexander's.
That is a possibilty for her parents though and might explain why despite Mary McKeown's wedding parish record and the 1861 census saying she is 'of Montreal' why we cannot find a baptism for her in the Drouin. Ilkeston is definitely right for my James as is age and employment.
Thanks for trying. The help is really appreciated!
standardcrow.