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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Skoosh on Friday 25 September 09 16:39 BST (UK)
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Folks, anything at all on an Edinburgh glassmaker, John Forbes, early 1800s ,who moved to the West Midlands.....Skoosh.
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Insufficient information given
Was he born in Edinburgh or did he just live there
The West Midlands is a large place - whereabouts??
Was he married - if so to whom and did they have children
What census do you already have him on to save wasting time looking
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Carole, he appears in the 1871 Warwicks Census, Barr Buildings, Whitehead Street,Aston, John Forbes 66 b.1805 Scotland. wife Ann 38 b.1833,Tividale,Staffs. Henry 19 b.Brookwalls,Derbys. John 12 b.Warwicks, ditto Mary 10 & Sarah 5. 1861 Warwicks, he is b.1821,Edinburgh,Scotland, Mary b.1831, Yeovill, Staffs, Alice b.1850 & Henry b.1852 both Derbys, and John b.1854. He is possibly dead by 1874 when Henry is married to a Mary Ann Corbett. His wife was Mary Ann Dukes, mar'1855. There is a John Forbes 19, b.1822 Scotland with parents, John Forbes 58 b.1783 & Jane Forbes same age,both born Scotland in the 1841 census, Rancliffe Street, St Peters,Nottingham which could possibly be them(no occupation). All glassworkers, Henry.F.Forbes moved to Glasgow with his family in 1900.
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Hi
Now that's the type of info that should have been in your original post.
However - as you seem to have all available census info - can you clarify exactly what it is you need help with
anything at all on an Edinburgh glassmaker, John Forbes, early 1800s ,who moved to the West Midlands
Are you looking to go backwards to find his parentage etc or are you looking for living descendants of his children
You say he married Mary Ann Dukes in 1855 but the 1861 shows son Henry was b 1852 and daughter Alice 1850. Alice was Alice Dukes not Alice Forbes according to the 1851 census and Henry was Henry Dukes according to freebmd 1852 entry
The 1851 shows Mary Ann Dukes was single so both Alice and Henry were illegitimate
There is a 16yr difference in his age between the 1861-1871 census so if you want to trace his ancestry you will need to buy a copy of his marriage cert to find his fathers name and also his age at that time
Daughter Sarah b 1865 is in Marston Green Cottage Homes Warwickshire in 1881
Possible death
Deaths March qtr 1880
Mary Ann Forbes aged 44 Birmingham 6d 139
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Thanks Carole, I know census info' can be very misleading, the Forbes/Dukes stuff, I knew about. It is backwards I am looking and had hoped to find a glassmaking family of that name, only a few places in Scotland were engaged in glass production and the census gives Edinburgh in this case. I will try for the English Death Cert' I'm a newbie at this caper and your points are well taken. Many Thanks......Skoosh.
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Hi
The English death cert will not give you any info that will enable you to trace his parentage.
The 1855 marriage cert is your best bet as it will show his fathers name and occupation and if it is John - there is a good chance you have the right 1841 entry
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Carole, just to confuse matters, there is a John Forbes in the 1851 Census, age 29 tailor journeyman, a prisoner in Birmingham.
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I can't see that entry on Ancestry - what is the reference
1861 and 1871 he was a glassblower - seems unlikely he would be a tailor in 1851
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l have a Andrew Forbes b 1801 Edinburgh Scotland. His occupation was Glassmaker and married 1820 to Mary Lowbridge.
He died in Birmingham Warwickshire 1854.
l have his parents as John Forbes b abt 1769 (Blacksmith) and Margaret Bruce b.abt 1773.
Do you think there may be a connection? . As yet l have found no siblings for my Andrew.
l have the 1841 census for Andrew, but haven't got any others, if anyone could help here please.
Thanking you,
Skurrie
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Skurrie, thanks for that, this could be a brother maybe? needs looking into, Found a Daniel Cartledge, glass etcher, b.1843, England, age 38, working in Glasgow.....Skoosh
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Skurrie, found this, I don't think they're mine, Donald Forbes b.1813, Scotland, glassmaker, wife Christina, b.Scotland, glass obscurer? in 1851 they're at 56 Tobacco Box Hill, Amblecote, Stourbridge. Children Jane Menzies b.Scotland 1831 x Joseph Chesterton, glasscutter. Donald b.Scotland 1837 & Robert b.Wordesley, Staffs 1839. Joseph (was the son of William Chesterton, watch/clockmaker) b.Harborne, Staffs 1824, living at Little Pig Inn, Amblecote, Stourbridge, he married Jane, Oldswinford, 14 Dec' 1851. Hope this is of some use....Skoosh.
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Skoosh,
Also have a look at MI's around Aberdeen loads of Forbes from places like Turriff, Tough, Rayne etc. including John Forbes. Maybe as already suggested just living in Edinburgh, but born in Aberdeenshire which is just two borders away across the Firth of Fourth.
marcie
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Thanks Marcie, I 'd expect an Aberdeenshire origin but not much glass made there, glassmaking was a bit of a closed shop.....Skoosh.
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Thanks Marcie, I 'd expect an Aberdeenshire origin but not much glass made there, glassmaking was a bit of a closed shop.....Skoosh.
Caithness is only up the road and across from there though, and the other one which currently my brain will not compute, urghhh!
On the way home we went to both factories/salesrooms which are across the road from each other near Stirling. Stuart Glass/Stewart Glass. A few years ago on a trip we took to see a friend in John O'Groats John took us to see the Caithness shop where they actually blow the glass. Fascinating.
We bought some early xmas presents (seconds) which unless you really studied them you would not know.
You may still find all the relatives of John Forbes in the cemetries around Aberdeen, Loads of Forbes buried there, some of which are distantly related to me.
marcie