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Title: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: The Duke on Friday 25 September 09 10:42 BST (UK)

Can anybody work out this conundrum.Thomas Hardiker was imprisoned in late January 1841 and I cant find him in the 1841 census on Ancestry,when his family are in Claughton,north of Preston,Lancs.Which jails would there have been in 1841 near Preston and Lancaster ? Should I trawl through the Prisons looking for him mis-named ? Could he have been imprisoned outside of Lancashire?By the 1851 census he was living back in Claughton.

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: celia on Friday 25 September 09 12:08 BST (UK)

As you have a not too common name,and if you have the patients and the time you could trawl the gazette.
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?GeoType=London
I refere to it as a government paper ;D I have seen many times, long lists of who is quest of what prison ;D You just have to try different search entries.Name to start with ;)

Celia

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: Luzzu on Friday 25 September 09 12:21 BST (UK)

Hello,

 :)

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It doesn't say which prison but the page in the original record book is headed up County of Lancaster so I would look for prisons close to Preston and Lancaster.

He got 6 months for "disobeying an order of two magistrates".  The trial was on the 6 January 1841 at the County Sessions, Preston.

Hope it helps.

Luzzu

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: celia on Friday 25 September 09 12:44 BST (UK)

The Preston Guardian sat 20th Feb 1858 has a short death entry
Thomas Hardiker Bambers yard age 47.

Celia

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: Luzzu on Friday 25 September 09 14:01 BST (UK)

Hi again,

 :)

Have a look at this link:-

http://www.institutions.org.uk/prisons/England/LAN/lancashire_prisons.htm

Luzzu

PS

Have you seen this Hardicker One Name Study website?:-

http://econym.org.uk/hardiker/index.html

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: The Duke on Monday 28 September 09 08:29 BST (UK)

Thanks .... I've found him in Lancaster Gaol in 1841 census,it was logical really,but thanks for those who helped put me the right way.Interestingly,cant find him listed on Ancestry in the Gaol,but on the census discs he's visible.

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: kazzann on Sunday 10 October 10 10:08 BST (UK)

Hi there,
is it possible for you to tell us what you found in the 1841 census infiormation??
Ta re Kazzann

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: kazzann on Monday 04 February 13 10:00 GMT (UK)

Hi there!! Has anybody on this Thomas Hardiker  quest found any detail regarding his conviction other than 'dissobeying  the order of two magistrates??' Can anyone tell me what their interpretation of this conviction would mean?? I do know that he  had an illegitamate son to a Jane Beesley, born aug 1839 at Inskip, The Fylde in Lancs. Any suggestions ???

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 04 February 13 12:49 GMT (UK)

It was because he had failed to pay maintenance for the child.

Preston Chronicle 9th January, 1841
Cases of Bastarday (as spelt!)
..........
J Bennett pleaded guilty to disobeying an order in a bastardy case.  Dr Brown conducted the case for the township of Clifton, and in default was committed to be imprisoned in Lancaster Castle for six months.
J Hardiker of Inskip, pleaded guilty to a similar indictment and he was sentenced to six months imprisonment in Lancaster Castle.

Mo

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: kazzann on Monday 04 February 13 13:47 GMT (UK)

Thankyou Mo, that is terrific!!! So helpful , thankyou!!! ;) Is there a website where I can sight articles from the Preston Chronicles?? I am wondering where the childs name or mothers name or background might ppssibly be mentioned?? Any ideas?? regards Karen

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 04 February 13 15:52 GMT (UK)

Hi,

I use my library card which enables me to view the 19c Newspapers online.   I have searched between 1831 and 1841 but at the moment I am not getting any hits at all. 

There are subscription sites like Find My Past and The British Newspaper Archive. The BNA does have a free search, but I still can`t see anything.

I have also tried LANCAT which is the online search for Lancashire Archives, but I can`t see any filiation orders which name the mother and father and sometimes the name of the child in question.

Mo

Title: Re: Thomas Hardiker-which Gaol on 1841 census night?
Post by: kazzann on Monday 04 February 13 22:08 GMT (UK)

Thanks so much for trying Mo!