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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: babzi on Thursday 24 September 09 08:33 BST (UK)
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HI
I am looking for someone who may be able to look up some Marriage and death certs and a few birth records for me.
I am trying to find the parents of the records concerned.
Marriage for Catherine Anne Carrick to John Leetch(Leech) m. 1846
Death record of Catherine Anne Leetch d. May 1896 married to John Leetch.
Death record for Robert Francis Boyd d. 1852 B. 1840
Death record for Lillian Jane Carrick (b. abt 1848, d. 1877 aged 29yrs) and marriage record if possible she married Andrew Carrick.
Death record for Ellen Carrick b about 1799 d. 1885 married to John Carrick.
Death record for Jane McCauley Carrick Irwin (b. abt 1862, d. 15 November, 1909)
Death record for Frances Boyd b. about 1817, d. 1841 6th April.
Death record for John Leetch d. 21 September 1886 B. 1824
Birth record for child born Dec 1st 1875 to Mrs W L Boyd of Frederick Street. Don't know the name of the child but think the parents should be Jane Carrick and William Boyd.
We have found most of these people buried in graves together but don't know some of the connections. If we can get the info from the certs we may be able to unlock who our ancestors were.
many thanks
Babzi
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I'm not sure where you are hoping someone can look up these records for you- the following from your list would have occured before the start of civil registration and there will be no certificates available:
Death record for Robert Francis Boyd d. 1852 B. 1840
Death record for Frances Boyd b. about 1817, d. 1841 6th April.
For the remainer- death certificates do not list parents names (unless informant) and marriage certificate list father's name and occupation but not mother's name.
From IGI- John Leech married May 1846 Capel St. Presbyterian to Catherine Carrick (page 0151 in registration book). www.familysearch.org
"Birth record for child born Dec 1st 1875 to Mrs W L Boyd of Frederick Street. Don't know the name of the child but think the parents should be Jane Carrick and William Boyd." If the child is unnamed in the civil index then there will be no name on the actual birth certificate. See here for index-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
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Hi,
I was hoping if someone was in the GRO they may have been able to look up some of the records I am seeking. I don't want copies just the info on the record. I'm not totally sure how the Irish system works.
I am trying to find out more on people I have found in a couple of graves and who are buried with my relatives.
With the marriage cert/record I just want to find out who the fathers or mothers were so I can track who they are.
I have seen the marriage record for Catherine Anne Carrick and John Leetch but I am trying to find out who her parents were. Just one parent will help me work out who and where she fits in with the Carricks I have found. I hoped her marriage record would list her father at least which would be a great help.
The birth record for 1875 child born to Mrs W L Boyd Frederick street was a listing a fellow rootsweb member found for me on the Irish Times and I am trying to find out who its parents are. We had a William and Jane Boyd living at 14 South Frederick Street at this time but we didn't know of a child born to them in this year. It may have been still born? or unnamed. I am just trying to find out if it is our ancestor.
Any help would be appreciated.
Babzi
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As I said earlier, marriage certificates will list father's name but not the mother.
Have you tried church records yet? baptisms might list both parents.
Newspapers are another useful resource but most people will not have had the sort of obituaries now in our papers (might be something like "Died on the 13th September at her husband's residence 2 Dublin street Jane Smyth aged 62 years") and often small children's deaths weren't put in the paper.
Stillborn children would not have had a birth certificate so the 1875 child must have lived for at least a short time. Have you looked for a possible death in civil index? (link posted earlier)
Are the family still living in Ireland in 1911? that census is now online (free) and asks married woman how many years married, how many children they had and how many of those children are alive.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Hi,
I have Jane's will made in 1884 and this child born in 1875 (if it was theirs) wasn't mentioned in the will. My gg aunt said there were 7 sons and we only have 6 but this son born 1875
would have made the 7 so even though he probably didn't live past 1884 or maybe wasn't written in the will, we would just like to know if he is our ancestor or not.
Jane died and 1901 and I have her censes record and her daughter's record in 1911.
I am just to place these other people who are buried in the same grave as Jane and her father mother and grandmother. they must have been related to be in the same graves.
Babzi
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...I was hoping if someone was in the GRO they may have been able to look up some of the records I am seeking. I don't want copies just the info on the record. I'm not totally sure how the Irish system works.
...I have seen the marriage record for Catherine Anne Carrick and John Leetch but I am trying to find out who her parents were. Just one parent will help me work out who and where she fits in with the Carricks I have found. I hoped her marriage record would list her father at least which would be a great help....
It's not possible to do a free lookup in the GRO, the index books they hold contain the same details as the familysearch index link posted earlier. A cert has to be purchased to see the full details.
If you order the marriage cert for Catherine Anne Carrick and John Leetch it will give the fathers names. This appears to be the entry in the Civil index :
Name: John Leetch
Registration district: Dublin North
record type: marriage
year: 1846
volume: 5 / page: 151
Shane
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HI Shane,
Oh Okay I understand I thought you could look at the record at the GRO. I didn't realise it was just an index.
We are lucky here in Oz we can look at all the details without having to buy the record. We only buy it if we want to keep the official record.
cheers for the clarification.
Babzi
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Hi,
If you are still looking for information on Catherine Anne Carrick and family I may be able to help: I've got a few family records and photos.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Since my post I now know Catherine Anne Carrick was the sister of John Macauley Carrick who was born in Scotland in 1804 and came to Ireland early 1820's.
Catherine was born 1819 and married John Leetch b. 1824 married in 1846. They had 6 children I could find and a lot of them died young. They lived in Dublin. The male line died out with the three sons dying before their 20's. But there could have been some I didn't find.
One of their daughters Jane Mcauley Carrick married John Joseph Irwin in 1883 they had 4 children together before she died 1909. John Irwin then married her sister Isabella Sarah Elizabeth Leetch a year later.
I'm not sure if they had any children Isabella was 46 when she married John. John Irwin died in 1920. Isabella died in 1951.
Isabella and John Leetch lived in 9 Marino Cresent the same address as Isabella's Carrick, her aunt.
This may help you work out if your Leetch/Leitch family and Catherine Anne Carrick is related to ours.
If they are I would love to see your photos.
We may be related back to the original John Leetch.
Hope this helps us unite our families.
regards
Babzi
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Hi Babzi,
Thanks for getting back. This is certainly the same Catherine. if you have access to Ancestry, the tree and images are at http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/76184891/person/32343309651 (I've just added some guessed links based on your John Macauley Carrick reference: the links i am sure of are the Catherine and John Leetch records downwards. My main interest is in the Leetch connection).
The additional information i have relates to John Irwin (a date of birth which makes a link to Gateshead) adn some additional information about the military record of Catherine Irwin's husband John Dwyer Kelly (a methodist minister, WW1 major and chaplain: his diaries are in the Irish national archive PRONI. I haven't seen these, but selections are currently being serialised on a PRONI blog).
The photos some from a family collection, presumably via Edith Isabel Irwin who ended up in Liverpool where my direct family comes from (I have more, but many are not identifiable as specific people). My aunt may know more.
If you don't have access to Ancestry, I could email the details/photos
Peter
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Hi Peter,
I agree with you we are on the same ancestral page!
I don't subscribe to Ancestry currently but do occasionally log in at the library.
If you could send me the info on this page or privately at (*) I would be grateful.
I am travelling to Ireland for a holiday in September. And spending a day in Proni to catch up on unfinished searching for my Boyd family connections. Maybe I can also search John Dwyer Kelly also.
Are you based in the UK or US?
I am in Australia.
cheers
Babzi
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I've tried to extract some of the data from Ancestry and emailed these to your gmail account: let me know if you don't receive them (I had to split them into several files and not all the detail was exported, I think).I'm based in the UK
Peter