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hi all
please can anyone offer any help or suggestions for finding a marriage between william herbert thompson and rose caroline louisa foulcer - the first child is born in 1897 in st annes, london and the last in 1914 west ham.
in 1901 census william is listed as born 1873, st giles london, but the 1911 gives him 1873 born liverpool, so without this marriage cert, my search for his background seems futile - both census have occupation as printer
i seem to be going round and round in circles with this one ???
the name foulcer is often badly transcribed, foulcer/foulser/fowlser/falser/... but i cant even seem to find a thompson marriage with any remotely possible matches.
please help
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Do you have Rose Foulcer on any censuses? If so, can you give us the references? If we know where she was living it might narrow the search for the marriage.
Linda
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1901 RG13/1603/39/41 - 74 Park Road, East Ham (2 rooms)
William Thompson 26 printer b St Giles
Rose 25 b St Annes
Rose 4 b St Annes
William 2 b St Giles
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the 1911 census should say how long married to give a clue
have you got the childrens certificates?
MAYBE they didnt marry, he was married before or she was etc etc
the census will only give the info' THEY gave, so not always to be taken as fact,
if you have not already got the childrens birth certificates they MIGHT give a clue
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So theer's a birth for her:
Rose Caroline L Foulcer
Jun qtr 1876 Westminster (1870-1913) 1a p 464
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Pauline there is a tree on Ancestry with all the info for Rose Caroline Louise Foulcer
so i assume they have that side ;)
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Fiddling with the 1911 index, the year of marriage is 1896. Not that it will help much if it's all porkies :D
Linda
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Pauline there is a tree on Ancestry with all the info for Rose Caroline Louise Foulcer
Interestingly they don't have a marriage date for William & Rose either :D
But - they have 3 of Rose's siblings as James S, Lucy Agnes M and Jessie Ellen and I came across their marriages while I was looking for Rose.
James Samuel 1900 St Giles
Lucy 1906 and Jessie 1908, both West Ham
Linda
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oh gosh, you lot are so quick replying, i expected to wait days, so thank you for taking an interest.
yes the tree on ancestry is mine and we have the other foulcer siblings pretty much wrapped up.
we have the birth certs for william and roses children and marriage certs for roses siblings.
the 1911 says they have been married 15 years, had 8 children, 7 alive (+2 born after census)
the birthdate for rose is exact as are the childrens, so i am supposing that williams is as well
as there are several williams from liverpool/london i need the marriage to track him down.
The only other clue we have is that rose caroline died in 1936 and it was rumoured that william married again and lost contact with his family from there, i have him on the electoral rolls 1911 up until 1939 and he remained in the same house all the time, but after the war there is no trace of him, we know that half of the park road he lived in was destroyed by ww2 bombing and the electoral rolls confirm that the houses no longer exist.
on his youngest sons enlistment papers, he state william as his father and next of kin, this was 1941 but it says william lives in edmonton, i have checked the rolls but no trace there before or after the war and i have not been able to determine a death entry - we do know for certain that he survived the war and worked in the woolwich arsenal.
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How many of the candidates (aged ~17 at the 1891 census) can be traced to 1901?
Even at 17y he's likely to be starting as a printer. Nothing to lose by trying.
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thanks pauline i shall try them out now, i think when you are looking so hard you always seem to overlook the most important pointers ;D
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hi
apparently another rellie has gone down this root of elimination and print connection and came up with
RG12/211 1891
178 drury lane, london
william is here with sister kate and BiL henry john Mckerley and family, william is a binders lab and henry is a print compositor. no mother listed
william born liverpool in 1873
1881 RG11/131
24 grafton st, st anne, soho, london
emily -wife/marr -born halifax, yorkshire
kate born halifax, yorkshire 1867
william 1874 - liverpool
1871 scotland census
emma - born 1844 halifax, yorkshire - agents wife
kate - born 1866 halifax, yorkshire
caroline - born 1869, somersetshire
so a father never appears on a census
rellie is in possesion of marriage cert for kate and henry MCKENZIE, this gives address as carnaby st, london and FATHER as WILLIAM (deceased) occupation - traveller
and a death cert for emma thompson, she dies in endell st workhouse infirmary in 1890 her address is 178 drury lane, london - informant was workhouse
so where william snr and caroline ended up i know not..... :'(
there is only 1 kate thompson birth for 1867, halifax but the cert reveals mother emma but father james and she can be traced right through, so wrong kate.
william, scholar born liverpool 1873