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I have a maternal ancestor Catherine WILKINSON, who came out from Wales, possibly about 1864 to Australia. Have a Catherine Wilkinson coming out on "Art Union" in 1864 which could be she.
She married an N. JACOBS (possibly in Adelaide) and then they went to Curepipe, Mauritius, where he managed the family firm of Charles Jacobs & Sons' sugar plantations and "Family Hotel'.
The only further info. I have is that they purchased a home at "Woodcliff", Esplanade, Mornington (bought by Catherine in 1906) and that they were staying there for about five months from at least January 1908 to May 1908.
N. came out from Mauritius in January, and have seen the Shipp. Register (on family firm's clipper ship 'C.J.S.') which gives his age as '60, Australian born.'. A newspaper article notes his return to Mauritius on same ship in May 1908, and states that he is a 'partner' in the family firm of Charles Jacobs & Sons. In spite of intensive research, both within Australia and to contacts in Mauritius, I have been unable to locate this N. Jacobs. He is not one of Charles Jacobs' 12 children (C. has eldest son Nathaniel, but all other details are wrong, including different wife). I am also unable to locate wedding details, shipping to Mauritius originally, and deaths either here or in Mauritius.
(Catherine Wilkinson was born June 1842 in Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales to John and Margaret Wilkinson. Her younger sister Margaret came out in 1863 and was married age 17 in Adelaide in Dec. 1864 to Francis Richard PITCHFORD - these are my g.grandparents) Can anyone help at all, in any way? Ruth (also see my post from April 2009 under : "Mauritius - Jacobs & Sons")
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There is no Catherine WILKINSON/JACOBS marriage in South Australia.
Cando
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I checked in Victoria and NSW as well, also no births to this couple either
Jenn
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I am fairly certain that there were no children of marriage. No mention within any family info. of children - could they have been married in any other state, around that time? Most frustrating.
Have a lot of info. of Jacobs company, and various of sons who were partners in business, and about the firm in Mauritius - but no N. anywhere! Can't understand it. ??? ???
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If you have seen the register, was the N a definate N?
so by what you have he was born in 1848? is that right somewhere in Australia and you are sure he married Catherine Wilkinson? possibly in South Australia.
As Stated I checked for a marriage in Victoria and NSW but no joy as yet.
Could that marriage taken place say in England?
Jenn
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I didn't actually get a copy of the Shipping Register but am pretty sure it was an 'N'. But I suppose it could have been incorrect? It was from Register that I confirmed that it said "Australian born" and "age 60".
The only other 2 'confirmations' as such which I have are:
(1) in a newspaper article in the old "Frankston Standard" at the time of wedding of niece of Mr. Jacob's wife - (account of the wedding in Mornington, Vic. in March 1908 of Catherine PITCHFORD - Mrs. Jacobs' niece - and Albert WARD). This gave a list of guests and their gifts to bridal couple - "Mr. & Mrs. N. Jacobs - aunt & uncle of bride". The Jacobs were then living at their house "Woodclyffe" (spelt Woodcliffe at that time) and family diaries have indicated various relatives visiting 'the Jacobs'.
Mr. Jacobs came out from Mauritius on family ship "C.J.S." (initials of firm 'Charles Jacobs & Sons') in January 1908. Catherine was not on that voyage - only three persons on ship; I haven't been able to trace (via the internet - it is difficult for me to go into the P.R.O. very often at all, as I have an ill husband) when Catherine Jacobs came back to Australia. She even could have stayed at the house she bought from 1906 on, and - again via a newspaper account - it stated that 'she was awaiting the arrival of her husband from Mauritius' .
(The home "Woodcliffe" + 25 acres was up for Public auction in rooms of C. J. & T. Ham, 75 Swanston Street, Melbourne on 25 October, 1906, (preliminary notices in "The Age" newspaper) , property being sold by widow of Sir Francis Murphy.) Again, I haven't been able to confirm the purchase from subsequent newspapers but have no doubt of the purchase.
I feel that the home was bought in order to accommodate the couple, after they retired from the Sugar and tea plantations in Mauritius. I know their hotel "Family Hotel" in Curepipe changed hands in 1908, being taken over by a Miss A. Wiehe ('a member of an old and respected French-Mauritian family').
2. In a newspaper article in 'Frankston Standard" in May 1908, it spoke of
'Mr. N. JACOBS who was returning to Mauritius on the ship "C.J.S." belonging to the family firm in which he is a partner, after a very pleasant holiday at his home in Mornington, and that he enjoyed it so much he intended returning often'.
I have tried in many different directions - Jewish Historical Society, State Library of Vic. who checked indexes of Deaths Vic. to 1984, SA to 1940, NSW to 1945, Probate Vic. 1900-59, Vic. 1906-49; no Jacobs in Various Indexes such as Main Cat., Manuscripts, Australiana, Biography, the Cyclopedia of Vic. The Public Records Office has many Jacobs going back and forth to Mauritius, including some of the sons of Charles Jacobs, travelling on firm's "CJS". Various "Mrs. Jacobs" but cannot identify if Catherine is one of them.
Mauritius contacts have not found deaths of either from 1900 on.
Perhaps they could have married in Wales or England - Catherine was born June qtr 1842, chr. 18 Sept., 1842, Trevethin, Monmouth, England. dau. of John Wilkinson and Margaret Jones.
Have found a Catherine Wilkinson (age 19) on ship "Art Union" from Plymouth, Devon, arriv. S.A. on 22 August, 1864, Adelaide.
Her younger sister Margaret came out in 1863 age 16, and married in Adelaide age 17 in Dec. 1864. I thought Catherine could have come out for her sister's wedding.
This is a very long Post. The moderator will probably divide it up into two. Ruth
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Hi Ruth,
seems to be quite a bit of supposition in this
Catherine was born June qtr 1842, chr. 18 Sept., 1842, Trevethin, Monmouth, England. dau. of John Wilkinson and Margaret Jones.
Have found a Catherine Wilkinson (age 19) on ship "Art Union" from Plymouth, Devon, arriv. S.A. on 22 August, 1864, Adelaide.
Her younger sister Margaret came out in 1863 age 16, and married in Adelaide age 17 in Dec. 1864. I thought Catherine could have come out for her sister's wedding.
Do you have this Art Union Entry? Catherine Wilkinson is not an unusual name. Are you sure Catherine was ever in Adelaide. I note by this arrival you mention, this Catherine is aged 19. Your Catherine would be 22. You make comments such as "a Catherine Wilkinson" "I thought Catherine could have come out for her sister's wedding." Do you have Margaret's marriage cert? Was Catherine a witness or do you have any records of her ever being in Adelaide?
Cheers Kris :)
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The Catherine WILKINSON who arrived on the Art Unionon the 22nd August 1864 was an Assisted Passenger.
Series Id:GRG35/48
Records relating to official assisted immigration - Crown Lands and Immigration Office
Consignment/Sub-Series:00001
Official assisted passage passenger lists Unit:13
Official assisted passenger lists, 1864
WILKINSON Catherine List No 64/5 1864 Volume 13
64/05 Art Union 22 Aug 1864 Arrived Pt Adelaide From Plymouth
There is also another Catherine WILKINSON who emigrated as an Assisted Passenger in 1864 and may have been travelling with an Elizabeth WILKINSON.
Just in case you haven't the marriage cert and wish to order one.
PITCHFORD Richard 23 years Status Not known Father Francis PITCHFORD
WILKINSON Margaret 17 years Status Not known Father John WILKINSON
3 Dec 1864
At Res of Mrs Fadges Kapunda Kap 60/65
Would the marriage have been arranged so far in advance for a 17 year old, to allow time for Catherine to travel to Australia and then wait another three months for actual ceremony?
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9643178?searchTerm=woodcliffe
includes Title details ie Allotment Numbers, Section etc, which you could follow up if you wished.
Have you all the following
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
JACOBS Mrs 33 years Feb1898 C J S Foreign 321 001
JACOBS Mrs 43 years July 1902 C J S Foreign 358 002
JACOBS N 60 years Jan 1908 C J S Foreign 401 003
JACOBS Mr N 60 years Jan1908 C J S Foreign 401 001
I have done a little research on Charles JACOBS. It appears he married in Adelaide and fathered 11 children in SA. He died at Albert Street, East Melbourne in 1886 [notice in Argus but not processed as yet] He is buried with wife Elizabeth at the Melbourne General Cemetery. I have a transcription of his headstone but you may already have that. I have more on Charles JACOBS but not really relevant to your current search for Catherine and Mr N.
The eldest Nathaniel b. 1847 in Gawler, SA. Is it a coincidence that the Mr N aged 60 in 1908 was b. 1847/8? How do you know it is a shipping record for Catherine's husband?
Have you considered that the "N" may be the initial of his second given name? However none of the 11 children born in SA have a 2nd given name commencing with an "N".
Have you located Catherine on any census in England? Perhaps her marriage to Mr N JACOBS was her 2nd marriage :-\
I note other information you have on Catherine on other family history forums including at one stage that her husband's name was Jaque.
Cheers
Cando
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A newspaper article notes his return to Mauritius on same ship in May 1908, and states that he is a 'partner' in the family firm of Charles Jacobs & Sons. In spite of intensive research, both within Australia and to contacts in Mauritius
Ruth
Mr N wasn't a partner in 1886 prior to the death of Charles.
South Australian Government Gazette 8 April 1886 Page 726
Dissolution of Partnerships.
Notice is hereby given that Charles Jacobs has this day retired from the partnership carried on for some time past at Melbourne, Adelaide and Mauritius by us the undersigned under the firm "Charles Jacobs & Sons" and that the business will henceforth be carried on by Messrs. Michael Charles Jacobs, John Jacobs and Samuel Joshua Jacobs.
Dated 31st March 1886 -
C. Jacobs
M.C. Jacobs
S.J. Jacobs
J. Jacobs.
Witness. D. Braham, Solicitor, Melbourne.
Cando
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Thanks for all your trouble.
Looks like I will have to rethink many of my facts.
FIRST - I now think the C. Wilkinson who came on 'Art Union' is not correct one.
The second one you mention is quite possible, as Cath. had younger sister Elizabeth, b. 1845, so they could have come for M. wedding, and returned to Wales later. Any indication on shipp. records of a return trip?
Marg.'s husband was Francis Richard Pitchford who was born in Kingsland, Herefordshire 28 Oct., 1839 - I often wondered how he met Margaret.
I believe he came to Australia on ship "Electric" with his brother Frank c. 1864.
(Sister - Elizabeth marr. Richard John Harper in Pontypool in ? c. 1867 (as their first child was born c. 1868). Possibly Catherine was also m. in Wales, as you say. I had looked previously but as I didn't know where her husb. was born, it was hard. Found quite a few Jacobs families in Wales area. Did find two marriages for a Catherine Wilkinson: Pontypool 11a 159 June 1867, and at Stockton 10a 125 but didn't find spouses.
SECOND: Maybe I was clutching at straws and the N. Jacobs who came on CJS was Charles' first son Nathaniel returning from trip to Mauritius, and not 'my' Jacobs at all. I have been in touch with many different avenues, and have found quite a lot about the Jacobs and the four sons who were partners, and even the Australian Maritime Museum, who were most helpful and sent lots of paperwork. Strangely the eldest Jacob - Nathaniel, is not listed as partner in business, but maybe he had his own destiny to follow!
Even the items on PRO listing N. Jacobs are not necessarily 'my' N. Jacobs. and the Mrs. Jacobs don't give a Christian name, so could be wives of other partners. (I am not able to go to the city and spend long hours looking at shipp. records at PRO, as have an ill husband.)
The only connection with an 'N' in my case is the cutting re wedding, and cutting on June 6, 1908 re his return to Mauritius in May 1908 which stated in part: " Mr. N. Jacobs of Mauritius...returned to Mauritius on Wed. 17th May in the 'C.J.S.', a boat belonging to the firm of which Mr. Jacobs is a partner.........."
Now, the name "Jacques" - this the name given to Mr. Jacobs in a family diary, written by James Coultas, husband of Margaret/Richard Pitchford's daughter Margaret. M. met her husb. whilst on a trip to England with her aunt, (another of Catherine W.'s sisters - Annie (Oliver)). The Coultas' came out to Australia during 1906-7, visiting Margaret's family at Mornington, and visiting 'the Jacobs' on a number of occasions at 'Woodcliffe'. Their dau., my cousin, has no knowledge of where the name "Jacques" originated......just muddies the waters a little.
Thanks for the info. re dissolution of partnership in C.J. & S. I was aware of the four partners (sons) and just couldn't work out how N. could be a partner also. Maybe the newspaper got it wrong. Many of the connections of the original Jacobs (Charles & Betsy) either by marriage, and/or Betsy's siblings, etc. also had plantations in Mauritius, and I thought N. could be a son of one of these. But no success there either!
('Woodcliffe" is a Heritage listed property still standing, and is not far from our home address, and I gnash my teeth every time I pass - thinking 'where are you Catherine?!!)
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Ruth,
I am sorry I am having a really hard time following this at all. I have spent many hours hunting for these girls in Wales hoping to get a feel for them to no avail. No sign of them anywhere. When I was just about out of all possibilities I did finally locate them in Trevethin Monmouthshire Wales in 1851 - problem is they are the WILKINS Family - not the WILKINSON Family. ???
HO107/2449 Folio 413 Page 16
Talywain
Trevethin
WILKINS John Head 40 Mar b Trevethin Monmouth Coal Miner
WILKINS Margaret Wife 34 Mar b Town Carmarthan
WILKINS John son 15 b Trevethin Coal Miner
WILKINS Richard son 11 b Trevethin Coal Miner
WILKINS Catherine dau 8 b Trevethin
WILKINS Elizabeth dau 6 b Trevethin
WILKINS Margaret Dau 3 b Trevethin
WILKINS Ann dau 1 b Trevethin
1841 same place
HO107/744/7 Folio 39 Page 21
Talywain
Trevethin
COOPER Catherine 65 Ind N (No not born in County)
WILKINS John 30 Collier Y (Yes Born in County)
WILKINS Margt 20 N
WILKINS John 5 Y
WILKINS Richard 2 Y
Sure this is your family ???
Cheers Kris :)
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Oh dear.....and I had typed up quite a lot...well here goes...and hopefully some of it may be useful.
Catherine and Elizabeth WILKINSON were once again Assisted Passengers
64/3 Ocean Chief 7 Apr 1864 Pt Adelaide Plymouth
Margaret WILKINSON is not listed as an Assisted Passenger.
I can only find the Electric arriving once in SA
65/9 Electric 24 Sep 1865 Pt Adelaide London
On the above voyage were Elizabeth, Francis and William PITCHFORD.
Information from BISA
PITCHFORD Francis b. c1843 MON WLS. Died after 1885. Arrived 1865 Electric. Occupation Blacksmith. Lived Jamestown. Religion Protestant.
Married Elizabeth b. c1843 died by 1885 Children William [c1863-].
Richard did not travel with brother Francis.
Richard PITCHFORD is listed arriving on
64/2 Utopia 8 Feb 1864 Pt Adelaide London
I doubt there would have been enough time for Richard to meet Margaret, form a relationship and arrange a marriage in time for sisters Catherine and Elizabeth to journey to Adelaide and arrive on 7 Apr 1864 ie if you think they travelled to SA for Margaret's marriage which took place on 3rd December 1864. What was Margaret's date of birth ie at the moment we only know she was 17 years of age in Dec 1864.
I was hoping to see a photo of Woodcliffe after reading the description of the home when it was advertised in the Argus. However it doesn't appear on the database......
http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/vhd/heritagevic
As previously requests by Kris, do you have the marriage certificate for Margaret and Richard's marriage?
Cheers
Cando
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Now 1861 it does not matter what I try I cannot locate them
1871 an interesting entry and the family are now Wilkinson.
RG10/5334 Folio 49 Page 52
Commercial Inn
Commercial St
Trevethin
WILKINSON John Head 58 Mar b Trevethin Innkeeper
WILKINSON Margaret Wife 54 Mar b Town Caemarthan Innkeepers wife
WILKINSON Sarah A Dau 14 unm b Trevethin Innkeepers dau
COTHAM/COOTHAM? Catherine Visitor 28 Unm b Trevethin
COTHAM/COOTHAM? Margaret Visitor 18 months b Marrish Mon
Catherine's name is hard to read and it does say unmarried but born at the right time in Trevethin to be the daughter. Do not see this person in earlier census.
I also note you suggest Margaret is Margaret Jones so who is Catherine Cooper from 1841.
Is this Wilkins/Wilkinson family all the same family and where are they in 1861 whoever they may be?
John and Margaret remain at the Inn and stick with Wilkinson after this time.
Most confusing. :-\
Cheers Kris :)
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Births appear to be under either name
Richard WILKINSON Jun 1839 Pontypool 26 137
Catherine WILKINS Jun 1842 Pontypool 26 140 (As you mention Catherine born June 1/4 1842 I can only assume you knew this to be the case)
Elizabeth WILKINS Dec 1845 Pontypool 26 91
Margaret WILKINSON Sep 1847 Pontypool 26 129
Ann WILKINSON Jun 1850 Pontypool 26 171
Sarah Ann WILKINSON Mar 1857 Pontypool 11a 134
Kris
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By the way it is Elizabeth who married in Jun 1867 11a 159 not Catherine. She married Richard John HARPER. They are living next door to John and Margaret in 1871
HARPER Richard J Head 39 b Trevethin Butcher
HARPER Elizabeth Wife 26 b Trevethin
HARPER Catherine Dau 2 b Trevethin
HARPER Charles son 1 b Trevethin
Kris :)
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Photos. of 'Woodclyffe", 1905 and 2006
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"Woodclyffe" 1905
Moderator Comment: image resized for easier viewing
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Gee this is hard to do - took me over 2 hours to 'shrink' photos. then they wouldn't 'go'. Can anyone advise how to attach. Trouble every time. As a consequence, the older photo. is large. Whatever!! Don't really know how I did it in the end! Ruth
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To answer the queries posed in your various replies:
No, I don't think that the "Art Union' voyage is my Catherine. The later one with sister Elizabeth seems to fit better. No I don't have Margaret's marriage cert. but will get it.
I did wonder if MARGARET W. (from Talywain, Trevethin) actually knew Francis Richard PITCHFORD (of Kingsland, Herefordshire) before she came out - but if so why didn't they marry before sailing, and come as a couple; or why didn't they travel on same boat? Quite a few twigs of the Pitchford family line are living in Trevethin, Abersychan, Bedstone, Bucknell, Clun, Abertillery, etc. so perhaps they were known to each other.
Jacobs trips from Mauritius on CJS - both Mrs. Jacobs are too young, at 33 (1898) and 43 (1902), as my Catherine was born in 1843. The two entries for Mr. N. could be Nathaniel, first born son of Charles/Betsy Jacobs - although he wasn't listed as partner, he still could have been working for the firm. No-one has been able to give me any information about him, apart from his marriage and child, but he is definitely not My Mr. N.
Charles Jacobs commenced business in 1856 in Gawler-town, Adelaide, and later one son Samuel Joshua (who was a solicitor) remained in Adelaide to head the S.A. branch; other four sons came to Melbourne and set up at 9 Queen St. to run the business from there. The firm were importers, and at one stage were said to be the biggest sugar importers in Australia at that time. Charles/Betsy (nee Joshua) had eleven children.
N. & Catherine Jacobs went to Curepipe, Mauritius and managed the firm's tea and sugar plantations, and also 'The Family Hotel'. They exported to Australia, Sth.Africa, China and Britain, and had agencies in various countries. I have info. from an old out-of-print book "Mauritius Illustrated" which has a paragraph abt. the firm and photos. of their sugar warehouses on the docks at Pt. Louis.
XX I have found a Catherine Jacobs on a Census in England - in 1881
at Lower Grangetown, Cardiff, district of Cantor -
at No.73 ...? William Morris, head, Amelia wife, David Jones unm. 32, Coal-trimmer and foreman; Catherine Jacobs, Aged 32, Marr., Lodger, born Newport, M/mthshire (no trade or job listed) - could be her, as one of her brothers John Wilkinson ended up living in Cardiff, and died there in 1904, buried Roath Cem., Cardiff. Also the David Jones could be a cousin (through C.'s mother).
I did find a marriage on Free BMD of a Cath. Wilkinson, District Newport Pagnall, Vol. 3a, Page 613 Sept., 1861. (only 18 yrs.??? too young to be Catherine?).
Thanks Krisesjoing for all your research - I should have mentioned that the family is listed as Wilkins in earlier Censuses. I think the 1841 Census that Catherine Cooper is not connected. If you look at the actual form, there are a lot of names of course, and nothing to suggest that Catherine Cooper is living at same premises as the Wilkins. She is 'Indep." and in amongst other names not connected. Everyone on Census lives at Talywain, which is where the Commercial Inn and the Wilkins(ons) were situated.
MARGARET W.'s date of birth is 6 June, 1847, Francis Richard P. 28 Oct. 1839.
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I think the 1841 Census that Catherine Cooper is not connected. If you look at the actual form, there are a lot of names of course, and nothing to suggest that Catherine Cooper is living at same premises as the Wilkins. She is 'Indep." and in amongst other names not connected. Everyone on Census lives at Talywain, which is where the Commercial Inn and the Wilkins(ons) were situated.
Sorry Ruth but Catherine COOPER is the head of that particular house. You will see the double line on the last person in the previous house (David Thomas) - this signifies end of that house and then the single line in front of Catherine's name. This signifies a new house. Double lines after Richard Wilkins - End of house. Single line signifying start of next house Mary Williams. It is not just a list of names all at Talywain the premises are defined. Catherine Cooper is the head of the house where the Wilkins family are living.
Sorry I still see no reason to believe Catherine was in Adelaide at all but will check the passenger lists when I am next at the library. I am still seeing nothing to tell me your Catherine was in SA - At this stage we do not even have ages for these girls ??? - you just seem to have jumped from one arrival in SA to another. Is there ANY reason at all to believe Catherine was ever in Adelaide?
Good luck with the certificate.
Kris
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Ruth thank you for posting the photos of Woodclyffe You definitely have more patience than I have. Lovely home.
Kris did ask if you had the marriage certificate for Margaret and Richard and it may help to ascertain whether or not Catherine was ever in SA ie if she was a witness.
There is an item in the Biographical Index of South Australians for Charles JACOBS and family. You may be aware of BISA and if not, it is a major biographical work containing approximately 100,000 entries of South Australians who were born or arrived in the colony during this period. It is not 100% accurate and there are errors and omissions but an excellent resource to begin one's research in SA. If you would like it I will post it.
You mention Nathaniel JACOBS. He died in London on 22 Jun 1909.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=nathaniel+jacobs
However I can't find a registration on free bmd.
The item has not been processed but the text is legible enough to note his name and parents Charles and Elizabeth.
You may like to search just using Charles JACOBS as there a number of family notices for the marriages of his children and his death notice.
My thoughts are that it may have been a 2nd marriage to the elusive N JACOBS. I have searched for a JACOBS marriage to spouse given name Catherine with nil result.
Is it worth contacting your Mauritian contact again seeking burial records?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Ruth,
As to Woodclyffe and yes Cando it certainly is a lovely home, I feel you must make it a priority to look into the ownership of these premises. You are very lucky to know the name of of the property and its location so it shouldn't be too difficult to track down the ownership of the property in the early 1900's. I feel this and this alone is the most likely way to ascertain Catherine's Husbands name.
You mention having a sick husband which I am sure must make life a little more difficult, ( I have the utmost admiration for those caring for ailing loved ones) but given your posts elsewhere, the problem appears to be an ongoing one. Perhaps there is a family member of friend who could sit with hubby thus allowing you to shoot into the city and check the details. If not the government are very good to carers and I am sure who be more than happy to allow a little respite time to you. If your health or mobility could also be a problem perhaps a loved one could access the records for you. If all else fails you may need to pay a researcher to do it for you.
We are just not getting anywhere with this. Both Cando and myself and no doubt other members have been through it from every angle we can think of to no avail. We probably know as much as you do about Charles Jacobs, his family and company but it has not helped us turn up anything on Catherine or her husband.
I really feel the ownership of Woodclyffe in the early 1900's is the key and you must set it as a priority to check or have these records checked.
All the best.......Kris :)
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This may be helpful.
Woodclyffe Cottage - 598 Esplanade, Mt Martha
Woodclyffe Cottage was built in 1863 for John Connell, a well known Mornington resident. He sold the house to Richard Shann in 1870 who carried out improvements to the 6 room cottage and property. In the mid 1870's Sir Francis Murphy, a pastoralist and first speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Victoria, purchased the cottage. It was on 14 acres and the cottage was now 8 rooms. Sir Francis purchased a parcel of land adjoining Woodclyffe making the property 26 acres. Alfred Tolhurst, a stock broker purchased the house in 1908 and it remained in the Tolhurst family until the late 1970's. Edward Tolhurst, a son of Alfred subdivided the land in the 1970's.
and
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/ahdb/search.pl?mode=place_detail;place_id=103244
and item from Argus Thursday 25 Oct 1906 and probably identical to the snippet you have from the Age
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9643178?searchTerm=woodcliffe+auction
It would appear that if Catherine did purchase the property at auction in 1906 it was re-sold in 1908 to Alfred Tolhurst.
The local council should be able to help you if they hold the Rate Books for the period.
http://www.mornpen.vic.gov.au/
Alternatively you will need someone to do a title search.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Ruth,
nothing much to report from the passenger lists I am afraid.
I could find no sign of Margaret arriving in SA, nor of any of them leaving SA
Passenger List from the ART UNION arriving 22 Aug 1864
WILKINSON Cathe, single aged 19 a servant from Monmouth
Passenger List OCEAN CHIEF arriving 7 Apr 1864
WILKINSON Cathe single aged 21 a servant from Monmouth
WILKINSON Eliz single aged 18 a servant from Monmouth
Cheers Kris :)
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Free BMD has these two births, both registered at Pontypool which fit nicely (give or take a year or so) with the two Wilkinsons on the OCEAN CHIEF
Wilkins Catherine, June qr, 1842
Wilkins Elizabeth, Dec qr 1843,
Additional info: IGI shows baptism of Catherine WILKINSON 18 Sep 1842 at Trevethin, parents JohnWILKINSON and Margaret
However IGI also shows an Eliza WILKINS baptised 1 Mar 1840, Trevethin. ???
(By the way Newport Pagnell is near Milton Keynes - a long way from Newport in Monmouthshire)
Judith
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Any sign of Margaret maybe arriving in Fremantle, Western Aust? Original family diary says she arrived in W.A . age 16, married in Sth.Aust. 17 yrs. (but other parts of this diary I have proved to be incorrect, so I am not depending too much on it).
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You might be getting fed up with this family!!
If I could find out when Margaret W. came to Australia, it would help. As mentioned in a family diary, she is supposed to have come to W.A. when 16 yrs. of age, and then married in Adelaide, in 1864. (Diary has proved to be inaccurate in several instances!!)
I am coming more to the fact that the Wilkinsons and Pitchfords knew each other in Trevethin, Wales.
I wonder where they all were - in 1861 Census? Have looked under England, Wales, even Scotland - but no sign.
I wonder also if that Catherine Cootham (Cotham) is my Catherine, with baby dau. Margaret. Haven't been able to trace C.'s 'marriage' or birth of baby M.
As you say, her marriage to N. Jacobs could be her second marriage? No evidence of who this Catherine Cootham is, otherwise.
Thanks for clearing up my innocent remark about Catherine COOPER not being in family group - but you say, she is head of the household. Could she be owner of property, which Wilkinsons were renting?
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Hi Ruth
I have family who were in Blaina Aberystruth in 1861 and have not been able to find them either. Someone on the Monmouthshire board (or maybe the Yahoo Monmouthshire group- which you may find useful) told me that large lots of 1861 in that area have been lost >:(
Judith
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Don't know if it is relevant but from newspaper shipping lists
a Mr WILKINSON travelled from Adelaide to Mauritius aboard the SARAH departing 13 Feb 1868. There is no further information.
a Miss WILKINSON travelled from Adelaide to Mauritius "In the Saloon" aboard the YARRA departing 7 Oct 1887. There is no further information.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Ruth,
nothing much to report from the passenger lists I am afraid.
I could find no sign of Margaret arriving in SA, nor of any of them leaving SA
Passenger List from the ART UNION arriving 22 Aug 1864
WILKINSON Cathe, single aged 19 a servant from Monmouth
Passenger List OCEAN CHIEF arriving 7 Apr 1864
WILKINSON Cathe single aged 21 a servant from Monmouth
WILKINSON Eliz single aged 18 a servant from Monmouth
Cheers Kris :)
Hi Ruth,
seems to be quite a bit of supposition in this
Catherine was born June qtr 1842, chr. 18 Sept., 1842, Trevethin, Monmouth, England. dau. of John Wilkinson and Margaret Jones.
Have found a Catherine Wilkinson (age 19) on ship "Art Union" from Plymouth, Devon, arriv. S.A. on 22 August, 1864, Adelaide.
Her younger sister Margaret came out in 1863 age 16, and married in Adelaide age 17 in Dec. 1864. I thought Catherine could have come out for her sister's wedding.
Do you have this Art Union Entry? Catherine Wilkinson is not an unusual name. Are you sure Catherine was ever in Adelaide. I note by this arrival you mention, this Catherine is aged 19. Your Catherine would be 22. You make comments such as "a Catherine Wilkinson" "I thought Catherine could have come out for her sister's wedding." Do you have Margaret's marriage cert? Was Catherine a witness or do you have any records of her ever being in Adelaide?
Cheers Kris :)
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Still re-working on these people!!
(I've just turned 94 but still got the itch!!)
Nathaniel JACOBS was ostensibly born around 1848 (probably in South Australia), as he was 60 in 1908, when returning to Mauritius from wedding in Mornington of Kate PITCHFORD. *I think he may have died around 1908-1910, as the Charles Jacobs' "Family Hotel" was sold in Curepipe, Mauritius in 1908 to a Miss Wiehe; and Nathaniel & Catherine JACOBS' home "Woodcliffe" in Mornington was sold in 1910 to the Tolhursts. (Catherine JACOBS's sister Margaret PITCHFORD ALSO died in 1910, so probably another reason for the "holiday property" to be sold). I presume Catherine returned to live in Mauritius around then, but again, no records found yet...of her death later or indeed of Nathaniel's death - possibly in 1908-1910?
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Kris, to answer your very much earlier queries -I think the later shipping entry of Catherine & Elizabeth Wilkinson is correct; the sisters would have come for wedding in 1868 of younger sister Margaret. Her wedding was at "Mrs. Fadyges residence" and certificate shows both Fadyges were witnesses.
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Wedding in S.A. was 1864 - not 1868!
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Belated thanks...Cando.