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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Bob2399 on Thursday 17 September 09 16:18 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any details about the forward family of William Martin. He was born William McQuire on 26th July 1857 at Ennerdale, Cumberland and went to NZ in the 1870's where he changed his name to Wm Martin. Involved in the early days of Post & Telegraph he received an honours medal for his work. He went back to visit his parents in 1890 and married Annie Fleet. They had 8 children. one of his sons - Ernest was KIA in WW1 the CWGC lists his parents as living in Morningside, Auckland. The youngest son of William & Annie, Leonard, I think also had a key job with the Post & Telegraph. I also have a copy photo showing William with his parents and some siblings and then I have a Candidate's 'flyer' for the Manukau city council elections - Papatoetoe Ward in the name of Phil & Helen Greenbank. I don't know the date of this flyer or what connection he has to William. I have a fair bit of info on the McQuires in UK but nothing forward of 1890'ish
Any help would be appreciated
Bob
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The war census 1915 info for Ernest (NZSG CD) has fathers address
Surname MARTIN Given Name Ernest
Category Nominal Roll Vol. 2 Regimental Number 22505
Rank Private Next of Kin Title W M Next of Kin Surname MARTIN
Next of Kin Relationship Father
Next of Kin Address 3 Leslie Avenue Kingsland Auckland
Roll 38 Page 11 Occupation Carpenter
Bye
Althea
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Thank you Althea,
William McQuire was the brother in law of my wifes great granddad and I just thought to look at that part of the tree.
Another leaf added
Bob
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HI Bob
so do you want to trace down all the children to spouses/deaths. Do you want to add their names with the info you need,
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea,
That would be great. There is
John Martin 1891
Margaret Annie Martin 1894
Ernest Martin 1896
George Ivan Martin 1899
Leonard James Martin 1902
Jessie Florence Martin 1903
William Erick MArtin 1904
I think that there was also a Richard
Marriages etc would be good
Thanks
Bob
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Hi Bob
Some snippets for you ....
Hillsborough Cemetery, Auckland
MARTIN - Annie
Inscription reads : "We remember Annie MARTIN "Mum" born 1865 - died 1933, and William MARTIN "Dad" born 1857 - died 1937" :
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/cemeteries/cemetery.html
Lu
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NZ Death Index
1980 - MARTIN - Leonard James - d.o.b. 4 December 1901
Cemetery Record - Purewa Cemetery, Auckland
MARTIN - Leonard James - d. 23 January 1980
Cremation: Ashes - Block X Row 25 Plot 039
In same plot (wife) ... Ashes
MARTIN - Irene May - d. 20 July 1996 (d.o.b. 24 March 1911)
[Marriage took place after 1929 - NZ BDM law precludes us from publishing details of marriage in this forum. :( ]
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Archives New Zealand (Auckland office) hold probate files for the following :
MARTIN - Leonard James - Auckland - Retired Civil Servant - 1980
MARTIN - Irene May - Brown's Bay - Widow - 1996
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Jessie Florence MARTIN - born 1903
No marriage found on NZ Index.
NZ Death Index
1964 - MARTIN - Jessie Florence - 60 years (bc 1904)
Cemetery Record - Purewa Cemetery, Auckland
MARTIN - Jessie Florence
(Cremation) Ashes - Block Z Row 19 Plot 059
http://www.purewa.co.nz/
Probate record held at Archives NZ (Auckland) :
MARTIN - Jessie Florence - Auckland - Spinster - 1964
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George Ivan MARTIN - born 1899
Cannot see his death listed (as George Ivan) in NZ ???
NZ Marriage Index shows the following, which may be him ?
George Ivan MARTIN - Irene Agnes Grace SKELLEY - 1927
NZ Death Index
1990 - MARTIN - Irene Agnes Grace - born 16 January 1903
(Haven't been able to locate a cemetery record for her. )
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Margaret Annie MARTIN - born 1894
No NZ Marriage listing found.
Possible death ...
1949 - MARTIN - Margaret Annie - 55 years - (bc 1894)
[No cemetery record located in Auckland area ]
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Lu
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I also have a copy photo showing William with his parents and some siblings and then I have a Candidate's 'flyer' for the Manukau city council elections - Papatoetoe Ward in the name of Phil & Helen Greenbank. I don't know the date of this flyer or what connection he has to William.
Hi again Bob
Phil and Helen GREENBANK ... you may find the following of interest ?
http://www.herts24.co.uk/flatfiles/expats/archive.aspx
Lu
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Hi Lucy2,
Thanks for the link there. I have had a look and I think that although the names are the same, The dates are a bit too recent. As I said before, I don't properly know when the flyer was for but I have a feeling that it was just after one of the wars. I will check it out and drop him an email.
Bob
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Hi again Lucy2,
Sorry about not acknowledging the other leads. I wll be following them up without a doubt. As I mentioned , They are a rather remote link to my wife's family but they are going onto the tree. If it was just close links that we added it would be a sorry do..
Thank you very much for the look ups. If there are any descendants of William Martin out there, I have family info for them back to c 1757.
Thanks again
Bob
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Thanks for the link there. I have had a look and I think that although the names are the same, The dates are a bit too recent. As I said before, I don't properly know when the flyer was for but I have a feeling that it was just after one of the wars. I will check it out and drop him an email.
Hi Bob
Oh yes, worth an email to the Greenbanks (perhaps there's a much later family connection ?). Lots of info for Phil Greenbank - just Google his name + "New Zealand" :
Lu
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Hi Lucy,
I have emailed him and he has no knowledge of the Phil Greenbank on the flyer - Strike one!
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Hi again Lucy,
Strange...I have just googled him as you suggested and he is definitely the same guy as on the flyer.... Still if he doesn't want to play... he must have his reasons Strike 2
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Hi Bob
Strange alright ! :D
Yes, I guess if that is the sort of response you got, then there's no point in further pursuing that aspect. ;)
Lu
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Hi again Bob
I'll take a look and see if I can locate a funeral notice for Leonard James (d. 1980) ... (or for his wife who died quite a bit later). Maybe a link to MARTIN descendants can be found that way ?
Lu
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Hi Bob
I'm new to all of this and have just recently started tracing my family tree and have just come across your posts.
My Grandfather on my mothers side was John Leslie MARTIN b.1910 in St Kilda, Dunedin, NZ his father was John MARTIN b.1891 in Auckland, NZ. John Martin married Mary Jane Evans. John's father was William Martin McQUARRIE b. 1857 in Cumberland, England and his mother was Annie Fleet b. 1865. William's Father was George McQUARRIE and his mother was Martha MARTIN. I have a Birth Cert for John MARTIN and his father is William MARTIN (no McQUARRIE)mother Annie MARTIN nee FLEET. I also have a Marriage cert for William and Annie, William's name on it is William Martin McQUARRIE (it is hard to read but definitely is McQUARRIE and NZBDM have it listed as McQUARRIE also). This all sounds like the same family you are tracing even though you are saying McQUIRE, I would be interested to know where you got this from and I am keen to go back further in this family and you said in one of your post that you have info back to c1757 I would love to get a copy of it.
Thanks
Trev
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Hi Trev,
Thats good news as it really seems to be the same family despite the name difference of McQuire/ McQuarrie. This fellow William McQuire who changed his name to Martin was the Son of Joseph McQuire was born on 26th July 1857 at Ennerdale in Cumberland. He was one of 13. Hi mum Martha Martin was baptised 6 Jan 1828 at St Bees her parents were William & Mary Martin nee Choice.
Joseph & Martha were married 6 June 1852 at St Bees. William (McQuire) Martin's sister married Mark Taylor who was the great Granddad of my wife. I have a copy of a copy photo showing William Martin, his mum & dad his sister and a couple of others which I will dig out.
Please remind me and jog me if it doesn't come through soon. All of the info is on ancestry.co.uk
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further to my last, William Martin had a sister Sara Ann who also went to NZ about 1881/82. she married a john Thompson (1855 - 1927) on arrival at dunedin and settledon the west coast. children of sara ann (annie?) were martha,robert, joseph elizabeth & william
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Hi Bob,
Thank you very much for all the info, it fills in a lot and gives me heaps more to do some more research on.
The only the only thing is that on William and Annie's marriage certificate(which I have a copy of) it says his father is George McQuarrie not Joseph and his mother is Martha Martin, where did you get the name Joseph from ?
I would definitely love a copy of the photo you mentioned, putting faces to names makes everything seem more real.
Thanks again
Trev
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As far as I can see with the details that I have, the only george born was to William (McQuire) Martin and his wife. There is no substance to this that I can remember but I seem to recollect someone telling me that william changed his name because of some dodgy relationship. This whole tree is of my wife's family. There is no blood line between us so I have done it mainly out of interest and because I got hold of a load of indentures and other documents whn an old maiden aunt died from another line. The whole family of Taylors, Kennedys, Snooks and McQuires have lived in the same area for multi generations and are therefore relatively easy to research plus they all had large families. A quick look through records here do not show a George McQuarrie in the right palce at that right time
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Thanks for that, it looks like I'll have to do a bit more research to try and confirm a few things. Nothing seems to be straight forward about tracing families, but that's what makes it fun!!
Trev
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Quite agree there. One thing is for sure - ancestors don't go anywhere - they just wait to be found! I am a bit busy with other things at the mo but keep hammering at me as I plan to commit all that I have to the PC then it will relatively easy to transmit it to you. I'll make a special effort with the photo as it shows 3 generations dating from 1822 and was taken about 1890 so really it links almost to the present day
bob
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Hi Bob,
No rush on anything as you say ancestors don't go anywhere. I have found lots of information recently and need to take a bit of a break from research (very hard to do) and get it all organized. I started out well but seem to have bit of paper everywhere at the moment.
Look forward to hearing from you and thanks again for all the info.
Trev
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Hi Bob,
How is everything going, I hope you are making some head-way in getting everything on the computer. I have been busy with other things but finally have a bit of spare time. I haven't found any new info, but was just wondering if you have found that photo you mentioned.
Trev
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Hi Trev,
I haven't yet got round to sorting anything out but I put a burst on this morning and I think this is wjhat you're looking for
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Hi,
Thank you so much for the photo. My kids were amazed to see their GGGGG Grand-parents. I did a quick search for some of the names and came across this site http://records.ancestry.com/John%20Martin_records.ashx?pid=140061052. It has John Martin married to Margaret Kennedy the two kids in the photo. I don't know what to make of it as I have John Martin married to Mary Jane Evans (maybe his second marriage)
Thank you again
Trev
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No Probs Trev,
The Mark Taylor on the right is my wife's Great Granddad and Mary McQuire is his wife. William is Marks Brother in law so I guess that you and my wife are related. I'll work it out and let you know.
Not sure why william took his mothers maiden name of Martin but it could be something to do with marriage and cousins
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Hi there
Maybe a bit late to add my piece. i always wondered why I couldn't find anything beyond Annie and William's marriage - now I know he used the name Martin. Annie Fleet is my 1st cousin 3x removed. I have found all the children I think:
1896/11887 Martin Ernest
1893/14052 Martin Mary Ellen Margaret
1906/16059 Martin Clarinda Alice Kamona
1908/14465 Martin Mabel
1904/26 Martin William Erick
1894/4234 Martin Margaret Annie
1903/7652 Martin Jessie Florence
1891/12640 Martin John