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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: KR on Wednesday 16 September 09 19:04 BST (UK)
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Hello,
If someone lived at Gutter Bottom Hoylandswaine, is that nearer to Penistone or Silkstone.
KR :)
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Hi KR
According to Genuki
GUYDER BOTTOM, scattered houses, in the township and parish of Silkstone, 1½ miles N. of Penistone.
Reading this I would say it is actually in Silkstone
Evie
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Hi KR
I have just looked at another page and it says that Guyder bottom is 1.4 miles West of Silkstone so there is not much in it , that's if the measurements are accurate.
I can see why you are wondering :)
Evie
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Thanks Evie,
Can't find a baptism at Silkstone, so it might be worth looking at Penistone.
KR :)
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You're welcome, good luck :)
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Hi KR,
It's certainly worth looking for a Penistone baptism. My ggggrandmother lived in Hoylandswaine, she was baptised in Penistone and married in Silkstone. Her mother, who also was born in Hoylandswaine, was baptised in Penistone and married in Sheffield.
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Hi Libby,
I have just ordered the Penistone bap fiche at my local LDS, so hopefully I might find Mary Hinchliffes baptism.
Thanks
KR :)
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KR, I am looking for the Crossley baptisms at Penistone, so far with no luck. The one I am particularly interested in is Susannah, who married William Smith at Penistone in 1827, I need to know who her parents were.If you can help when the fische comes I would be very grateful. It appears that the Crossleys were prominent in the local society, so I am puzzled why there is so little, or perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.Regarding Gutter Bottom, there is also the possibility of a baptism at Thurlstone.
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Hi Roger,
Will look out for Susannah Crossley when the fiche arrive, they may take some time to arrive.
Do you know when the Church at Thurlstone dates from ?
KR
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Not mentioned in Phillimore, but in my search for Susannah I am certain it was mentioned as a chapel of Penistone. This date would be c1800.
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Good luck, KR. I hope you find Mary Hinchcliffe - it's a popular name in West Yorks isn't it?
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Thurlstone became a separate parish from Penistone in 1906. Somewhat surprising, because there is evidence of settlement in Thurlstone predating settlement in Penistone, where the church dates from 12th century. For about 50 years before St Saviour's Church, Thurlstone was built in 1905, Anglican worship was in the Church School at Townend, but baptisms, marriages and funerals would have been in Penistone, which served an area of about 50 square miles.
I know others are researching HINCHLIFF(E) and HINCHCLIFF(E) in the Penistone area.
One branch of the HINCHLIFFE family worshipped in Netherfield Chapel and went there for marriages and burials.
Sam
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Samueller, I would greatly appreciate anything you may have on the surname Crossley, though it gets worse as Susannah married William Smith of Thurlstone at Penistone in 1827, and had a son, John Smith, at Thurlstone in 1837, apparently before registration.
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I have a Mary Hinchcliffe who married Aaron Teasdale in 1769 in Tankersley near Penistone. She was born on 18th July 1745 in Wortley. Is she related to your family?
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KR, 1851 census indicates Susannah born at Silkstone not Penistone. She did however marry William Smith there (Penistone) in 1827. William b c1798 and their daughters Margret (b c1830) and Hannah (b c1835) were born in Penistone, all shown thus in 1851 census. I would appreciate anything from the fische please.
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Hi,
Thanks for the info on Thurlstone Sam. I have not come across Netherfield Chapel yet.
Duckweed,
I have not got back that far yet.
Mary Hinchliffe (Bn abt 1825 ) married Joseph Dickinson at Cawthorne in 1842, the writing is so bad I can't really make out her fathers name, I am guessing it could be Jacob, he was a weaver.
I already new Joseph Dickinson's father was called Isreal / Ezra but looking at the marriage certificate you would never guess it said Israel.
Have noted the other details Roger.
I am always on the look out for Armitage, Dickinson and Hinchliffe.
Thanks all
KR :)
KR
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KR,
Many of the DICKINSON family were Quakers and their marriages etc were at the Meeting House at High Flatts. Wakefield FHS has published a transcript of the marriage registers for Quaker Meeting Houses in the District. You probably know that before Hardwicke's Marriage Act all weddings had to be in Chuch of England except Quakers and Jews.
Sam
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Hi Sam,
That's interesting. Where is High Flatts, is it near Penistone or Thurlstone ?
After looking at the main churches I was thinking of looking at other religious denominations, I have found Manchester families baptised at a Baptist church as well as the Parish church.
KR
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High Flatts, 3 1/2 miles NW of Penistone, 11 miles SE of Huddersfield. Try Googling it KR, lot of info came up.
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Good thinking batman.
Must get used to Googling.
Thanks
KR ;D
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IGI suggests Susannah bapt 17 Aug 1801 at Penistone, daughter of Leonard Crossley and Rebecca Senior, think this is the one as she had a daughter Rebecca b1833 according to 1841 census. Still interested in the others I mentioned ealier if you can help out when the fische comes KR. Still obliged.
Roger
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Redroger, you asked for anything on CROSSLEY in the Penistone area. There were lots of them. I have transcribed the MIs, but for the moment will just send abstracts. Let me know if any are of particular interest.
Netherfield Chapel graveyard:
Rebekah, wife of Leonard CROSSLEY of Heely [sic] 9 Apr 1819 @ 44.
Francis their son, 14 May 1837 @ 44.
The above Leonard 29 Apr 1838 @ 71.
Son George 11 Dec 1857 @ 59.
Henry CROSSLEY of Heeley Hill Farm, 22 Mar 1871 @ 66.
Hebzebah d/o above 22 Jul 1846 @ 7.
Amelia, Isaac, Martha and Louise died in their infancy.
Amelia, wife of above, 30 Apr 1872 @ 67.
John CRossley, Peniston, 23 Oct 1873 @ 53.
Benjamin MOORHOUSE s/o George Edwin & Emma Rusby & grandson of above John, 9 Nov 1875 @ 4 Months..
Charles Bedford CROSSLEY s/o John Senior CROSSLEY & Ann 17 Sep 1846 @ 1 yr 3 months.
Above John Senior CROSSLEY, Peniston, 5 Apr 1861 @ 61.
Harriett, d/o above, 9 Jun 1868 @ 25.
Ann, relict of John, 16 Oct 1874 @ 72.
Jane, widow of Jonathan THORPE of Boscombe and 4th d/o above, 23 Dec 1910 @ 75.
Sam
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Penistone churchyard:
Emma d/o John & Ann CROSSLEY of Peniston, born 5 Oct, died 6 Dec 1846.
Mary d/o John & Ann b 22 Jun 1842, d 19 Jun 1849.
Also Benjamin MOORHOUSE of Penistone 15 May 1855 @ 67.
Mary w/o Benjamin 15 Aug 1858 @ 72.
Isaac CROSSLEY of Penistone 23 Mar 1751 @ 61.
Also Ellen d/o John & Hannah BILLCLIFF, Thurlstone, 23 Jan 1825 @ 4 y 6 m.
John CROSLEY [sic] of Langsett 27 Jun 1781 @ 53.
Also Ann w/o John 20 Jul 1808 @ 80.
Also Martha w/o John CROSLEY the Younger of Langsett 26 Feb 1808 @ 50.
Also above John 3 Jul 1822 @ 69.
Joseph s/o John CROSLEY of Hauldron 10th [no month] 1705 @ 74.
John 8 Apr 1715 @ 59.
Benjamin CROSLEY of Thornhouse 5 May 1803 @ 73.
Betty w/o Benjamin, 30 Apr 1807 @ 64.
Isaac CROSSLEY of Netherhouse 17 Sep 1806 @ 64.
Mary w/o John CROSSLEY of Road End 30 Sep 1851 @ 61.
Also above John 22 Oct 1864 @ 74.
Hannah w/o George CROSSLEY of Fulshaw, 28 Oct 1862 @ 43.
Martha their dau 27 Oct 1875 @ 18.
Above George 28 dec 1876 @ 60.
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Finally, Midhopestones churchyard:
Joseph CROSSLEY of Upper Midhope 16 Nov 1868 @ 59.
Eliza w/o above b 17 Apr 1821, d 17 Sep 1905.
Thomas their son 5 Sep 1911 @ 59 interred at St Peter's Church, Hope.
Sarah CROSSLEY, d/o Abraham & Lydia CROSSLEY of Midhope Hall 16 Feb 1833 @ 5 weeks.
Elizabeth d/o Abraham & Lydia d at Ashton-under-Lyne 10 May 1860 @ 16, interred [here] 13th.
Isaac s/o A & L 18 Nov 1866 @ 43.
Rebecca d/o A & L, 29 Jul 1868 @ 20.
Also Abraham 26 Jan 1877 @ 82.
Also George s/o above 6 Jul 1876 @ 42.
Also Lydia, relict of Abraham, 8 Feb 1884 @ 82.
[I reckon that means Rebecca was born when her mother was 46.]
Sam
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Sam, Thanks very much. Do you only have burials? That little lot will keep me quiet for a few hours. Will be back in touch soon.
Roger
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Hi Sam,
Would you mind looking to see if there are any MI's for Dickinson's at Penistone .
KR :)
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Can I jump on the bandwagon please, Sam?
My 4xgrandfather John Waring born c. 1776 married Elizabeth Cousins 1801.
John and Elizabeth had two known children: Thomas baptised Penistone 1801 and Julia bap Penistone 1805.
Elizabeth is on the 1841 census living with her illegitimate son William Cousins, but no sign of John.
John probably died between 1805 - 1837, however as I cannot find evidence of any further children born to the couple - it's likely he died nearer to 1805. John lived at Hoylandswaine and could be buried in Silkstone or the Penistone area.
Many thanks.
P.S. I fully understand if you don't have free time to look this up for me, but if you do I shall be most grateful.
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Redroger, KR, libby9,
I will try to answer your requests, but please be patient. I don't get to Barnsley archives every week. It so happens that I had already transcribed the CROSSLEY MIs for someone else (#), so already had them.
Sam.
# "yellowbelly3," so presumably from Lincolnshire.
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Hi Sam,
I had wrongly assumed you had a cd for the area, I didn't realise you would have to look through pr's at the archives. I don't expect you to give valuable time to my search, and find it extremely kind that you offered, but please don't go to too much trouble on my behalf, afterall I've hi-jacked someone elses thread.
Thanks for your generosity, but I do understand that when you visit the archives it's primarily for your own research.
Libby
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Hi Sam,
I feel the same as Libby, don't put yourself to so much trouble, I know how long things take when looking through microfilms.
Thanks anyway.
KR :)
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I've been watching this with interest as so many of my family names and places are there. My Cousins (surname that is) though are from Tinsley. Most of the Hinchcliffes I've been finding are from earlier but seen to come from the Cawthorne, Denby area. Dickinson is a strongly Quaker family and have associations with the Quaker hamlet of High Flats, Denby.
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Hi Duckweed,
Yes ,Sam mentioned the Quaker connection at High Flatts.
I have not looked into the Cousins family, but I believe Ann Armitage married George Cousins 2 Nov 1807 Silkstone. I think this Ann is the sister of Margaret Armitage who married Israel / Ezra Dickinson.
Any connection ?
KR
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My 4xgrandfather John Waring born c. 1776 married Elizabeth Cousins 1801.
John and Elizabeth had two known children: Thomas baptised Penistone 1801 and Julia bap Penistone 1805.
Elizabeth is on the 1841 census living with her illegitimate son William Cousins, but no sign of John.
John probably died between 1805 - 1837, however as I cannot find evidence of any further children born to the couple - it's likely he died nearer to 1805. John lived at Hoylandswaine and could be buried in Silkstone or the Penistone area.
This thread is very interesting as we all appear to have the same surnames in our ancestry. To add to my above info: Julia Waring (mmn Cousins) married George Womersley Armitage
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Hi Libby,
It does get very confusing, there are too many names in my head to get a grip sometimes.
I have just looked at my notes for Silkstone and I see George Armitage = Julia Waring 1829, but I haven't got round to finding out who his father was, maybe never will.
KR
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Hi KR,
George W Armitage and Julia Waring are my gggrandparents. George was from Meltham Mills Huddersfield, his parents were John Armitage born c. 1784 and Hannah Womersley born c. 1786. Ater their marriage George and Julia lived in Huddersfield. Julia died 29/11/1849.
If I can help with anything, please ask. I have recently purchased the Woolley registers - so if you'd like a look -up, it's no problem.
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Thanks Libby,
I will bare that in mind.
Nice to know who George's parents were.
I seem to be stuck on Richard Armitage. He married Sarah Lockwood 1802 Silkstone.
KR :)
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Hi Redroger and anyone else researching CROSSLEY of Penistone area.
There is an article in the Autumn 2009 issue of 'The Flowing Stream,' the journal of the Sheffield & District FHS on 'The Mysterious Crossley Family.' I think another word to describe the family would be 'Colourful.' It refers to CROSSLEYs of Swinden, Langsett, Thurlstone and Penistone in Yorkshire among other places such as Liverpool, Hampton Court Palace, Jamaica and Hong Kong.
Sam
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I meant to mention also that for those researching DICKINSON, I have today discovered that records of births (not baptisms in the case of Quakers of course) and burials at High Flatts Meeting House are held at the archives in Huddersfield Central Library, while marriages are at the West Riding Registry in Wakefield. Barnsley FHS has printed transcript of the marriages but not births and burials.
Sam
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Thanks that makes things complicated. Huddersfield is one archive I haven't tried yet. Anyone found Haigh in their family too or Shillitoe?
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Sam, That article sounds great thanks.
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Those researching DICKINSON of High Flatts might be interested in an article about them in a book by Chris Heath. 2 or 3 pages plus a Family Tree of descendants of John and Judeth DICKINSON from about 1650 to 1850. Chiefly about Elihu DICKINSON the tanner. "Denby & District II - From Landed Lords to Inspired Industrialists" by Chris Heath. I don't have ISBN, publisher or year (probably in the last 10), but you can look on Amazon and/or abebooks and then request from your local library on the inter-library loan scheme.
Sam
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Thanks for that Sam,
Will take a look.
KR :)
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Hi Redroger and anyone else researching CROSSLEY of Penistone area.
There is an article in the Autumn 2009 issue of 'The Flowing Stream,' the journal of the Sheffield & District FHS on 'The Mysterious Crossley Family.' I think another word to describe the family would be 'Colourful.' It refers to CROSSLEYs of Swinden, Langsett, Thurlstone and Penistone in Yorkshire among other places such as Liverpool, Hampton Court Palace, Jamaica and Hong Kong.
Sam [/quote
Hi - I wrote that article! If anyone wants to discuss the Crossleys, get in touch and I will probably get you as confused as I am!
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Redroger,
I've come across another CROSSLEY of Thurlstone. Penistone Parish Magazine June 1898 records the 26 Feb 1898 burial of Joseph CROSSLEY of Fulshaw Cross aged 70. It doesn't indicate whether the burial was in Penistone churchyard or Stottercliffe cemetery. Fulshaw Cross was in the township of Thurlstone, parish of Penistone.
Sam.
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Hi KR,
I am resurrecting this thread as my Cousins/Lockwood's married into an Armitage family, does the name Israel Armitage mean anything to you? Maybe it's possible Israel was the brother, or father of your Richard, as Israel was living in Hoylandswaine in 1841, and according to that census he was aged 65.
It's late now, and I really should go to bed, but I'll get back to you. I'll do more digging on Israel, and refer to my notes and see what I can uncover.
Fingers crossed we'll make a connection.
p.s Dobby made me aware of the possible connection, he's an absolute star. Well done Dobs!
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Hi Libby,
It does get very confusing.
I have two Armitage families, one via my husbands gt grandfather and the other via my husbands gt grandmother.
Elizabeth Armitage married William Lockwood 1835 Silkstone.
I have her father as Richard Armitage who married Sarah Lockwood 1802 Silkstone.
On Richards death certificate 1840 aged 77 yrs Hoylandswaine ( if it is the correct one the informant is Benjamin Armitage Penistone)
I don't know who this Benjamin is or anything else about Richard.
Richards marriage to Sarah did not state him as a widower, but I think it could have been his second marriage.
Back to Elizabeth Armitage, her grandson Edward (born Thurgoland 1841) married Mary Dickinson, the daughter of Joseph Dickinson and Mary Hinchliffe.
Joseph Dickinson Bap Cawthorne was the son of Israel / Ezra Dickinson
Ezra Dickinson married Margaret Armitage (1806 Silkstone).
Margaret was the daughter of Joseph Armitage.
Joseph Armitage married Mary Thompson (1770 in Silkstone) he was from Cawthorne.
That was good to get off my chest, hope you could follow that.
Appreciate any input you may have. ::)
KR
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Hi KR :),
About Elizabeth Lockwood
Born circa 1828 at Barugh, in 1851 living at Little Royde Hoylandswaine with her parents John Lockwood (b. circa 1802, Monk Bretton) and Ann, nee Waring (b.circa 1802, Hoylandswaine) . Little Royde was a farm, and in 1841 Ann's mother Elizabeth, a widow, was living and farming there with her illegitimate son William Cousins.
In 1858 Elizabeth Lockwood married Charles Armitage (b. circa 1824) at Hoylandswaine
About Charles Armitage
Born circa 1824 at Hoylandswaine, son of Israel Armitage (circa 1775) and Julia nee Fretwell (circa 1780). In 1851 he was living with his widowed mother on a farm at 17, Rayner Lane, Hoyland Swaine, also living with Julia and Charles was William Cousin, son of Ann Waring, nee Cousin.
Israel and Julia had a son named Benjamin born 1808, could he be the informant on Richard's death certificate?
Oh dear, there's so many Armitages' and Lockwoods' they must connect some how, question is how?
Do any of the above appear in your tree?
Libby
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Hi Libby,
I agree all these families must eventually connect somehow.
The trouble I find is, when I have finished looking at a Parish another name appears in the family which I wasn't looking out for, and I could do with re-ordering the film, (which has now gone up in price to £7.50).
I have found the marriage of your John Lockwood & Ann Waring in my Silkstone notes.
It is good to know other families so you can group them together.
I think the father of William Lockwood (who married Elizabeth Armitage) could possibly be Thomas Lockwood who married Ann Whitehead in 1806 Silkstone.
I have not come across your Charles Armitage yet, (marr Elizabeth Lockwood).
I am still waiting for Penistone fiche to arrive but in the meantime I have some Burial transcripts from Barnsley F.H.S.
I notice there is a burial for Israel Armitage 8th May 1845 age 71 yrs Cathill is this your Israel ?
KR :)
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Hi Libby,
I'm confused (easily done)
I have Charles Armitage marrying Elizabeth Lockwood in 1855, and not as you say in 1858. Their first child Ann was born in Q2 1857
Marriages Dec 1855
Armitage Charles Wortley 9c 248
LITTLEWOOD Sarah Wortley 9c 248
LOCKWOOD Elizabeth Wortley 9c 248
TOWNEND David Wortley 9c 248
There's also a marriage in 1858 for an Elizabeth Lockwood, but a male name is missing - could this be causing some confusion?
I am unable to find Elizabeth Lockwood on the 1851 census - she's not with her parents at Little Royd, Hoylandswaine
Have I got the right people?
My wife is the fourth great granddaughter of Israel Armitage (1776-1845)
David Fretwell
(not yet connected to Julia Fretwell who married Israel Armitage)
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Hello David,
Sorry to have confused you, 1858 was a typo on my part :-[. I do have the correct year entered on my tree.
And you are right, Elizabeth wasn't with her parents in 1851 - I must stop researching into the early hours.
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Hi David,
I am also interested in finding out who Isreal Armitage was, he married Julia Fretwell in 1803 but as yet I have not found out in which church they married. Julia is my 3x greatgrandmother, her illegitimate son Thomas Fretwell was born 1799 in Hoylandswaine, baptised in 1800 at Silkstone. Thomas married Sarah Robinson at Penistone Church in 1823 and had 5 children, Charles, Mary, Sarah, Joseph and Ann. They lived in Thurlstone and Thomas and Sarah are buried in St John Church yard, Penistone.
There are some Armitage grandchildren of Julia Armitage (Fretwell) also buried in St John Church yard.
If anyone knows where Isreal and Julia married I would be very interested and also where was Isreal born. Julia's funeral was at Penistone Church (don't know if she was buried there though) and I have not found out where Isreal's funeral was or where he was buried.
Any help appreciated.
Thank you
Sheila
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Hi Sheila,
There is a burial at St John's Penistone for an Israel Armitage aged 71 years, 8th May 1845.
KR :)
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Hello all,
I too am a descendant of Israel Armitage and Julia Frettwell. My brother has the full (our fairly comprehensive) family tree which he is sending to me. I'll do some digging and come back to you with where it fits in on my side. Ellen Armitage married my great, great grandfather, John Henry Whitehouse, if that makes matters easier?
Looking forward to connecting,
Miriam