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Title: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Wednesday 16 September 09 10:31 BST (UK)
I'm looking for a death for John Atkinson, tailor, probably in the 1840s.

On the 1841 census he is at Grove St, Leeds Town (HO107/1349/10 enumeration district 32).  Can't see him on the 1851.

If he died in that area of Leeds between 1841 and 1851, which sub-registration district would his death most likely fall in?  I don't know old Leeds geography and there are 16 John Atkinsons to pick from on the bmds!  ???

Thanks
 :) Barbara

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 16 September 09 10:36 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,

The 1841 census shows the sub registration district as Leeds West

 :)
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Wednesday 16 September 09 11:54 BST (UK)
Thanks Tati,

That brings the total down to seven! Still, they can't all be tailors surely ... ;D

Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Tati on Wednesday 16 September 09 12:30 BST (UK)
Ahem, let's hope so  :P ;D
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 15:53 BST (UK)
Hello BarbaraH, is it possible this is your gentleman?

1851 Census
HO107 / 2321 / 1114 / 37
66 Grove Street, Leeds

John Atkinson / Head / 36 / Tailor          b. Thirsk?
Jemima / wife / 42                               b. York

1861 Census
RG09 / 3392 / 16 / 25
66 Grove Street , Leeds

John Atkinson / head / 46 / Tailor         b. Leeds
Jemima / wife / 50                              b. Leeds

Possible Marriage
John Atkinson / Jemima Dennis
March 1846 / Leeds
Vol No: 23 / Page No: 328

I have not looked any further in case this is the wrong person.  Although in saying that, what are the odds there are 2 Tailors by the same name?

Dee




Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 16:36 BST (UK)
BarbaraH, I have had a look further on - it's sad.

1871 Census
RG10 / 4564 / 107 / 21
No 2 Grove Street, Leeds

John Atkinson / Widower / 56 / Tailor / b. SandHutton

Death
Jemma Atkinson / Age 61 / Leeds
Dec 1879
Vol No: 9b / Page No: 362

1881 Census
RG11 / 4524 / 98 / 1
Leeds Union Workhouse, Beckett Street, Leeds

John Atkinson / 66 / Inmate / Tailor - No Occ /  b. SandHutton

Death
John Atkinson / Age 66 / Leeds
Sept 1881
Vol No: 9b / Page No: 224

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Wednesday 16 September 09 17:34 BST (UK)
Wow thank you Dee, I hadn't seen that one before! That has to be the  same one that's on Grove St in 1841.  What a sad decline he had.

The John Atkinson I'm looking for is father of Ann Atkinson b. around 1830. Ann married  William Thomas Brownridge at St Marks Woodhouse in 1853. She gave 'Nether Green' as address and father's name John Atkinson, tailor.  (I asked for help on Rootschat with the Nether Green address a while ago  
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0747/

The family on Grove St in 1841 looked the best bet for Ann's family as they had a tailor called John and a girl called Ann, but as always, the ages and relationships weren't clear.  Now you've cleared John's age up, at least that bit's certain  :)
IGI has a John Atkinson christening at Sand Hutton 1815 - that makes him a bit young to be Ann's father at 14 or 15, but not impossible I suppose... hum.  Have I got the right family here I wonder?   ???

 :) Barbara



Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 17:51 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara, well, that's blown that one out of the water!!!! :'(

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 18:13 BST (UK)
Barbara, I will go back and re-check for you.  The reason I gave the above gentleman, was because I have a disc of Leeds Burials.  I checked it for a John Atkinson using the above details on your original enquiry. I will have another look for you.  by the way, the above comment is not meant to be offensive.  Obviously there must have been more than 1 Atkinson in Leeds who was a Tailor - isn't it always the way.

Dee
 
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Wednesday 16 September 09 18:52 BST (UK)
Oh Dee, thank you so much - it does seem to be the one of the commonest names in Leeds!  Even eliminating one or two would be a help.  I really appreciate the time you're taking.

It's choose-a-school season for those of us with 10/11 year olds, so I'll be out for a while, panicking at a high school Open Evening  ::)  So take your time with this, there's no rush.  I'll check back with you later

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 19:22 BST (UK)
Barbara, have you ever found Ann on the 1841 Census?  Are we searching in the Leeds area?  Do you know her Mother's name?  I've also checked all the John's in Leeds - the closest being: (don't put too much faith in this) Assuming he had not died before the Census night.

1841
HO107 / 1346 / 10-46 / 20
Myrtle Street, Leeds
John Atkinson / Head / 65 / Cloth Draper?
Ann / dau / 14

I have not listed the whole family - it's just so you can have a look at this entry.  I'm off to check some other sources.

I'll stick to Genealogy - hope you had an enlightening evening!!!!

Not sure if you are aware of this website as well:

http://www.yorkshirebmd.info/ 

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 16 September 09 23:11 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara.  Here's where I'm at:  I have searched all John Atkinson's/Tailor on 1841 Census in Leeds with a daughter Ann.  They are both listed above.  Without knowing Ann's mother's name or if she had any siblings, I don't know where else to look.  I wonder if John died before the 1841 Census?  I have had a look at website YorkshieBMD and there are 2 deaths in 1847 & 1848. I wonder if you contacted them and asked them to check both deaths to see if one of them was a Tailor.  I don't know if they would ask for money!!!  I rechecked the Leeds Burials Disc.  There are 2 Burials (1847 & 1848) at Beckett DStreet Cemetery - but they do not give the age of the men - I was trying to narrow it down a bit!!  Do you get the feeling that I'm 'clutching at straws' here?
I look forward to your comments.  Hope the evening went well.

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Thursday 17 September 09 11:47 BST (UK)
Thanks again for all your time & effort Dee,
it does feel like clutching at straws doesn't it!  But at least we've discounted the chap from Sand Hutton, which has stopped me chasing the wrong people.. sigh. 
I probably ought to go back to the other details on Ann's marriage cert, which really is all I have to go on - father John, tailor; her address at marriage, Nether Green; witness names W H Ripley and Sarah Gill.  I've looked up Nether Green on the 1851 census, but couldn't see anything that made a connection.  I don't suppose the Burial Disc has addresses for the two Johns does it?

I quite like the the cloth draper in Myrtle St though - if Ann's husband was an upholsterer, he must have bought his cloth from somewhere. Might be how they met!

I'll keep on thinking; big thanks once again  :D despite no definite answers, its been very helpful & I feel I know Leeds a bit better now

 :) Barbara

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Thursday 17 September 09 14:31 BST (UK)
Barbara, have a look at this and tell me what you think.  It MIGHT be relative to my reply no. 10

This is the web site:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Leeds/Leeds29Dry.html

Woollen Cloth Manufrs,

•Akeroyd Abraham
•Appleby Benjamin
Atkinson John
•Austin Thomas
•Booth James

Tailors,
Marked thus * are also Drapers.

I've only highlighted these few, its a huge document.  What I'm trying to say is maybe the Draper chap could be a possibility.  I do not want to send you off in the wrong direction.

No addresses on Burial Disc.

Dee




Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Thursday 17 September 09 19:09 BST (UK)
Oh Dee that is interesting.. following on from that I found this on the 1851:

1851
HO107/2320/416

47 Myrtle St
Mary Ann Atkinson, head, 47, unmarried, dressmaker
Ann Atkinson, Ille. Dau, 24, unmarried, dressmaker

there's also an Elizabeth Atkinson aged 8, lodging with the Wilson family at no 52 Myrtle St!  :o ???

If this is my Ann, maybe John was her grandfather, not her father, and she's used his details on the marriage cert.
Next question - was Myrtle St near Nether Green, where my Ann was living in 1853?

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Thursday 17 September 09 22:53 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara, have just got in from picking hubby up from airport - as it's late and my eyes are tired, I will check the street map plan in the morning and let you know.  Looks interesting doesn't it. 
Dee
 
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: libby9 on Thursday 17 September 09 23:18 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,

I've been following this thread with interest as I helped you on your other post - looking for William Brownridge and Ann Atkinson in 1851.

If you don't know of this site I think you'll find it both interesting and useful. 

http://www.leodis.net/searchResults.aspx?LOCID=0&DECADE=0&YEAR=&KEYWORDS=nether%20green&KEYWORDS2=&KEYWORDS3=&ANDOR2=&ANDOR3=&RECSPAGE=5&VIEW=1&CURRPAGE=1

Good luck with your search.
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: libby9 on Thursday 17 September 09 23:57 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara and Dee,

I'm sorry to put a damper on things............ but, I've looked at the 1841 census return and John Atkinson was a cloth DRESSER, not draper (or so it looks to me)  In old style handwriting where there's double 'S's', the first 'S's' were written long rather like small case 'F's' are written today.  A cloth dresser cut cloth, he wasn't a tailor.

Not trying to spoil things, honest, I want you to follow the right folks.
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 18 September 09 11:51 BST (UK)
Hi Libby, nice to talk to you again  :D and thanks for the pointers. Very helpful, love the photo site!

Think this is what we have so far:

early 1853, William Brownridge at Scott St, Woodhouse and Ann Atkinson at Nether Green, Woodhouse

1851, best fit for Ann is the servant at 27 Springfield Place, Woodhouse, on both age and location.  Next best for location, the one on Myrtle St, although the age is a bit out.

1841, best fit for Ann WAS the one on Grove St, until we realised that John the Tailor was probably too young to be her father.
Then the one on Myrtle St with father or grandfather John. I think I agree with Libby, he is a dresser not a draper - but then if Ann was born out of wedlock, she might have invented the datails on her marriage cert anyway!

Other 1841 sightings of Ann without a father called John include one on Woodhouse Lane with siblings (?) Sarah, Charles and David; then another on Benns Lane (I think) next to Woodhouse Lane, with sibling Thomas and possible grandfather (age 65) Henry.

There are 19 Ann Atkinsons born to father John on IGI Yorkshire.  Best fit looks like the one christened at Armley on 18 Jan 1829, parents John and Mary.  Would be great if he was a tailor!

I might send for the birth cert/certs of Ann and William's oldest children to see what addresses they have - expensive option, but I'm not sure what else there is to go on..

 :) Barbara





Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Ecowizard on Friday 18 September 09 16:38 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara & Dee

Re Nether Green, Leeds See following sight of photos of Leeds
http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2003317_22253054

It shows a photo of Nether Green Chapel in 1963 from Craven St along Royston Place. The front of the Chapel was on Woodhouse St. It was the Mission Church of Headingley. There is also a picture of 68 Woodhouse St an upholsterers with a view of Nether Green Court.

Margaret
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Monday 21 September 09 11:11 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara.  Apologies for getting back to you so late.  Have now gone through the Ordnance Survey Maps and have arrived at the following:

Nether Green was off Woodhouse Street, Leeds, probably close to Craven Road Centre/Servia Hill.

There are 2 Myrtle Streets: one off Regent Street, Central Leeds and the other in Hunslet.

I don't know if this will help, but I have noticed that a lot of people who married at St. Marks Church, Woodhouse (1840 - 1850's), gave their address as Nether Green.

Dee
 
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Tuesday 22 September 09 14:13 BST (UK)
Thaks very much for that Dee, and to Margaret and Libby for the links to the Leodis site  :D

It pains me to say this  ;D but that photo site is much better than the equivalent one in my home town Manchester. The way they put info and contributions with each pic is excellent & very helpful.

That point about Nether Green being on lots if marriages is probably significant - you think it might be just an address of convenience for Ann to give her temporary residence in the parish?

They are proving tough nuts to crack, these Atkinsons!

Thanks again
 :) Barbara

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Wednesday 23 September 09 22:23 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara.  I think Nether Green was an actual area, but because so much has changed over the years; I guess it's commonly known as Woodhouse today.
Barbara, I also noticed the following:  2 people on GenesReunited are also searching for an Ann Atkinson, born Leeds - Terence has date as 1830; Jane has date as 1829.  It's possible these 2 people are searching for the same Ann.  I don't have access to Genes, but thought I should pass it on in case you were not aware.  Maybe someone on here maybe able to pass on a message for you.

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: saraudu on Thursday 24 September 09 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,
I was born a McGibbon.  My great-grandfather was John McGibbon and I think he may have been born somewhere in Scotland . . . such a big help . . . He was married to Anne Augusta Milne in 10 Aug 1866.  And I know nothing else about him except he was an orphan at a very young age.  He could have been born to the John McGibbon who is your possible relative, but I have no info at all on his side of the family.  Maybe you have some info.   

I live in the Seattle area, in Washington State, of the US.  If it would help you I would be happy to share whatever info I do have.  Maybe this would benefit us both.  My great-grandfather John McGibbon lived for quite a while in Dublin, too, before comng wth his wife and one living child, William, to the US by ship in 1886.  They went to the Lower Glouster Street Presbyterian Church which is now a ruin that was a corn store on Sean McDermott Street, there. 

Hope to hear form you soon.  Thanks, Saradu
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 25 September 09 12:06 BST (UK)
Saraudu - Welcome to rootschat :D
I'll send you a PM as my McGibbon line was not located here in West Yorkshire - I have to say your gt-grandfather's details don't sound as if we have a connection, but you never know.

Dee - Thanks yet again - I think I have already been in touch with one of the GR contacts and we are stuck at the same place!
I'm going to send for the birth certificate of Ann's oldest child with William Brownridge, in hope that it gives something to work on.
(2 hours later) goodness me, even this isn't simple! Oldest child on the 1871 census is 'Thomas' born c. 1853. Of course there isn't one on the bmds...  ::)

I'm going for a brew!
 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: dee melody on Friday 25 September 09 13:12 BST (UK)
Barbara, I'm surprised your still at the 'brew' stage.  I would have been on something stronger long before now!!!!

Have you seen these 2 births for Thomas:

Births
March 1853 / Leeds
Atkinson, Thomas                              Vol No: 9b / Page No: 393
Atkinson, Thomas Brown                     Vol No: 9b / Page No: 393

If you have a look on:  http://www.yorkshirebmd.info/births.html

You will notice Thomas B belongs to Leeds West!!  Could be a possible.

I did notice that Thomas was not with the family in 1861.  He was with his Grandfather James Snr.
RG09 / 3393 / 72 / 31
12 Tonbridge Street, Leeds

I was looking at the family on all the Census to see if Ann's mother ever came to live with them.

There is also  William Thomas Brownridge  b. March 1852 / Leeds
                      Vol No: 9b / Page No: 345
This birth is in the sub-district of Leeds North

Dee

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: Barbara.H on Monday 28 September 09 11:07 BST (UK)
Barbara, I'm surprised your still at the 'brew' stage.  I would have been on something stronger long before now!!!!

Ah well, I did not mention what I was brewing  8)  But no, as yet its still only coffee!

The two Thomas Atkinson births looks good - I think I've seen William Thomas Brownridge with a different family in 1861.  And it looks as if Thomas did call himself Atkinson as an adult - there are two marriages on the free bmds for Thomas Brownridge Atkinson, in 1873 (Leeds) and 1884 (Middlesbrough). If that's him, in 1891 he's a herbalist in Middlesbrough with wife Hannah.

Right, then! I've asked the GRO to do reference checks on the two Thomas Atkinson births based on mothers name being Ann. Fingers crossed, an address for Ann before marriage might help to locate her parents.  It certainly is the scenic route to finding them... 

 :) Barbara





Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Monday 05 October 09 11:58 BST (UK)
Good morning!

I've changed the heading of this thread as we've now discounted the chap in Grove St that I started out with!  It's now become a quest to pinpoint which Atkinson family is mine, out of the many available in West Leeds, that use the names Ann and John  ::)

Further to last posting, I now have a birth certificate for the child born to Ann Atkinson 6 months before her marriage to William Brownridge:

"1st Feb 1853, Thomas Brown, boy, [no father's name], mother Ann Atkinson, Nether Cottages, Nether Green, Leeds, reg. 22 Feb by E Auty"

I went back to the 1851 census to look again at Nether Green and found this family at 22 Nether Green Road:
George Atkinson     69 cloth dresser, gigger (is that a machine operative?)
Elizabeth Atkinson    55 wife
Elizabeth Atkinson    15 daughter
Rebecca Atkinson    12 daughter
Harriet W Atkinson    11 grand daughter
all born Leeds.
The same family are in Nether Green in 1841, with three more females but no Ann.

Do you think I can stick my neck out and say that my Ann is probably related to this family? And that she might have been staying with them in 1853?

Because if so, there is another Atkinson family on Nether Green in 1841:
Mary Atkinson     55, washerwoman
Ann Atkinson    15
David Atkinson    15
Sarah Atkinson    15
Charles Atkinson 13
HO107/1348 ED 48 Folio 47

What do you think? Worth chasing this family up a bit?
 :) Barbara

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: dee melody on Tuesday 06 October 09 20:04 BST (UK)
Hello Barbara.  I have been looking at the 1841 family you quoted above.  The mother Ann is easy to trace, although she appears to have fallen on hard times for a while - on Parish Relief. This is the part I find odd, especially if her children were in the area!!!
 I'm going through the maps again to see if the address  where she is living is anywhere near her daughter Ann Brownridge.  It is also possible that they could be related to the 1851 family quote have quoted.  Your Ann is not making it easy is she?

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Thursday 08 October 09 11:12 BST (UK)
she appears to have fallen on hard times for a while - on Parish Relief. This is the part I find odd, especially if her children were in the area!!!

good point...

Meanwhile I've also sent for another birth certificate, for Mary Elizabeth Brownridge, b. Halifax in 1854.  Ann and William had three children in Halifax between 1854 and 1858 before moving back to Leeds.  In the vague hope  ::) that they moved out there to stay with relatives, and that that will lead to something. Fingers crossed yet again!
 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Sunday 11 October 09 14:27 BST (UK)
Hi Dee,

Birth certificate for Mary Elizabeth Brownridge, daughter of William Brownridge and Ann Atkinson came yesterday with (at last) a useful address!
She was born at 5 Back Clarence St, Halifax in June 1854.

At 3 Back Clarence in 1851 there was a John Holdsworth,wife Mary, plus children John Lconard, Zillah, Sarah Ann and Mary Emma.
Woo hoo - This family was on Nether Green Leeds in 1841, next door to Mary Atkinson the washerwoman, daughter Ann and others - the ones listed in reply 27 of this very long thread!

Yorkshire bmds have a marriage in 1838 for John Holdsworth to Mary Atkinson at St Peters Leeds. So I'm now confident that Ann Brownridge nee Atkinson and Mary Holdsworth nee Atkinson are sisters, and Mary Atkinson the washerwoman is their mother.

Which means that  the laundress on parish relief in 1851 is our Mary Atkinson, born c. 1786 in Adel. She is still alive in 1861, in Halifax with a William Atkinson (another son?) and grandchild Mary Emma Holdsworth.

Sooo... possible connection with Adel?  Erm - where is Adel?

 :) Barbara



Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: dee melody on Sunday 11 October 09 14:53 BST (UK)
Hey Barbara, I am so pleased for you that your 'digging' is paying off.  Here is some info on Adel. 

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Adel/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel,_Leeds

Dee
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Wednesday 13 April 16 19:42 BST (UK)
This reply goes back to Death in Leeds 1840's-evolved into which Atkinson is which. I believe you have solved the problem of my finding my ggg grandmother who appears to be the Mary Atkinson washer woman on relief with daughters Mary and Ann. My gg grandfather is their brother John born 1818 who came to USA in
1848 with wife Sarah coming the following year with their children. Would love to get additional information on this family if possible. Have been looking a LONG time and just found your link. Thank you! Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 13 April 16 21:02 BST (UK)
Could this Mary Atkinson of Adel be the one?
Baptised 1805 11 24   Mary   ATKINSON   father William       Adel
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Adel/
BMD records are at the bottom of page.
 Brian
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Thursday 14 April 16 16:21 BST (UK)
Hi Brian,
Thank you for the information, but I don't think this Mary could be the one since my gg Grandfather (John) was born 1818 St Peters Leeds. I'm looking for his father whom I believe was named John and his mother whom I believe was Mary..don't have her maiden name. We think that John's father John died n 1840 and the mother Mary came on hard times which is why she was a washer woman. I'm still trying to find the link. Thank you Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Friday 15 April 16 21:55 BST (UK)
Atkinson Update-I'm working on a maiden name for Mary who was in the 1861 census living with her son William and her granddaughter Mary Emma Holdsworth. My belief is her husband John (father of my gg grandfather John born 1818 in Leeds) died and left her her on hard times where she became a washer woman. Mary's daughter Mary married a John Holdsworth who witnessed my gg grandfather's marriage certificate so that name is a huge clue. Would love any information, but I think I'm on the right track. Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Friday 15 April 16 23:19 BST (UK)
Hi Mary Ellen,

Since I started this thread, a lot of West Yorkshire church records have gone online at Ancestry, so it would be worth you looking at those if you have the chance.

My sub has currently run out, so I cannot re-check my own Atkinson research on Ancestry, but I think I found something that made me doubt that my Ann Atkinson was daughter of of Mary Atkinson the washerwoman. I currently have a Findmypast sub, so will have a look on there, but I think they only have a few Leeds records.

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Friday 15 April 16 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,
Your thread was the one I was excited about because the names fit and made sense. I have gone online at Ancestry but have struck out. If Mary (still looking for maiden name) was the washerwoman it made sense since I had her husband John dying in 1840 and that would have made for difficult times. What I do have that is certain: John Atkinson 1818-1901 married Sarah Boyden 1818-1901-I am trying to find his brothers sisters and parents. There is a connection with John Holdsworth who signed as a witness on the marriage certificate in 1839 Leeds and also an Ann Atkinson who marked her X. John was already marrried to Mary Atkinson and I was hoping this was Ann's sister...maybe not. As you mentioned in the 1861 census , Mary Atkinson age 75 is living with William Atkinson age 50 (possible son) and grand daughter Mary Emma Holdsworth.  You did find a marriage certificate for Mary and John 1838. Thank you for any help.
Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Saturday 16 April 16 11:26 BST (UK)
I can have a look at Ancestry records in the library on Monday.

Did the marriage certificate for John Atkinson and Sarah Boyden give an occupation for John's father?

 :) Barbara
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Saturday 16 April 16 15:44 BST (UK)

      
 
Where were John and Sarah married?
 Brian
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Saturday 16 April 16 16:33 BST (UK)
Barbara and Brian...thank you for any help. John and Sarah were married at St. Peter's Leeds in 1839.
John's father was a mason and Sarah's father (James) was a farmer. Sarah was from Yarmouth but (we assume Great Yarmouth in the county of Norfolk) vs. Yarmouth on the Isle of Wight. Sarah and John both were born in 1818..don't know either of the mother's names. It is rumored in the family that John and his father John worked on the building of Big Ben..as masons...but cannot confirm that. Sarah and John had their first child William born May of 1939 (they married Aug of 1939 at St. Peter's)-William is my g Grandfather. Thankyou both for any help!! Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Saturday 16 April 16 19:20 BST (UK)
Something wrong with your dates?
 Born 1818/Married 1939/first child born 1939.
 Brian
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Barbara.H on Saturday 16 April 16 20:58 BST (UK)
Hi Mary Ellen,

John Atkinson's father being a mason, that is different from my Ann Atkinson's father being a tailor. That is probably what stopped me following this line for my tree.

I think you are on the right lines with everyone else, given the Atkinson/Holdsworth connection. But the Ann Atkinson that married William Brownridge (my Ann Atkinson) is probably not your John Atkinson's sister.

 :) Barbara

Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Saturday 16 April 16 23:18 BST (UK)
Sorry Brian...hasty typing..1839 for marriage and child...my bad. I'll eliminate Ann Atkinson from my tree as I agree Barbara that she is probably not John's sister...however an Ann Atkinson did witness with her mark
the wedding of Sarah Boyden and John Atkinson in 1839. Those mothers of Sarah and John are very elusive.
I think I'm the only one trying to find them! Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Gillum on Sunday 17 April 16 22:11 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara
In the understanding of a birth year for John of 1815 and he died in Leeds, then this might fit.
West Yorkshire deaths and Burials
John Atkinson
Buried 25 May 1851
Aged 37
Address - Byron St, Leeds
St Peters Leeds PC

Gillum
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: mebertkau on Sunday 17 April 16 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi Gillum-the John Atkinson I'm looking for was born 1818 and died 1901 in Stoughton Wisconsin.
His dad was also a John Atkinson and we believe he died in 1840 but no guarantees on this. We believe the mother was Mary-don't know her maiden name-that she fell on hard times after her husband died and became a washerwoman-she also had a 15 year old daughter Ann at home. I appreciate your help.
Mary Ellen
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s - which sub-registration district?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 27 April 16 12:31 BST (UK)
Barbara, I will go back and re-check for you.  The reason I gave the above gentleman, was because I have a disc of Leeds Burials.  ...

Dee
 

Hello Dee

Does your disc of Leeds burials have any Hood burials listed circa 1800 to 1879, please?

George Hood shoemaker of Grape Street / Vine Street, Hunslet Lane, Leeds, last in 1826 Directory?

Those of special interest:-
George Hood dying 18 Sept 1845 born Yorkshire (per 1841 Census), but birth & burial place unknown. (There was another George Hood, soldier dying earlier in September at Leeds).
Richard Hood, dying 2 May 1850
Sarah Hood, dying 22 September 1853
Mary Hood, dying 24 November 1854
Ellen Hood, dying 27 July 1855
Sarah Hood dying 28 November 1879, aged 86 (widow of George d. 18 Sept 1845).

George Hood (d. 18.09.1845) was noted in the Leeds Intelligencer, York Herald and Yorkshire Gazette newspapers.

Richard Hood's death was noted in the Sheffield and Rotherham Independent; York Herald; Hull Advertiser; Hull Packet and East Riding Times; Leeds Mercury and Leeds Intelligencer, newspapers.

Thank you, kind regards Mark
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Wednesday 27 April 16 15:26 BST (UK)
Mark: Can do better than that, sent you a pm but the list exceeds the maximum. [153 Hood burials]
Can you pm me an e mail addy so that I can send a full list.
 Brian
Once we have exchanged info I can supply a 'last known address/cause of death' :)
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 27 April 16 23:41 BST (UK)
Hello Brian

The burial place of my Hoods 18 Sept 1845 to November 1879, are not known.

Thanks, sent PM.

Kind regards Mark
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Thursday 28 April 16 07:37 BST (UK)
If a Hood was buried in Leeds it should be on the list now sent.
[That was the easy bit]
Just printed out the list 15pages. :o
Once you have extracted your rellies and want the extra info, just list the name and year of death will see what else appears.
 Brian
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Sunday 01 May 16 19:27 BST (UK)
Cemetery   Leeds General Cemetery (Woodhouse)
Burial Entry   17195
Grave Number   993
Grave Note   
Died (Month)   February
Died (Day)   1
Died (Year)   1864
Burial (Month)   February
Burial (Day)   3
Burial (Year)   1864
Forename(s)   Albert
Surname   HOOD
Age (Years)   
Age (Months)   
Age (Other)   10 Days
Year of Birth   1864
Sex   Male
Disease   Convulsions
Trade   Child
Residence   Bussey Court, Woodhouse Street
Birth Place   Leeds
Fathers Forename   Joseph
Fathers Surname   HOOD
Mothers Forename   Emma
Mothers Surname   HOOD
Fathers Trade   Postman
[Sample history of a Hood burial.]
I am still waiting for your list to be posted here Mark.
 Brian
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 02 May 16 20:31 BST (UK)
Hello Brian,

Thank you for the list.

My Hood list of unknown burial places was in reply # 46 above, but I'm happy to repeat the unknown Hood burials below, as someone must have come across them during their research?

Those of special interest below died at Selby, but have NO SELBY BURIAL:-

George Hood died 18 September 1845 Disease of the Heart 18 Months Certified, aged 60. Born Yorkshire (per 1841 Census) had a Tannery at Gowthorpe in Selby and started a Retail Brewery from c.1824-1826 at Wren Lane and had a second Malt-kiln at Gowthorpe, Selby - birth & burial place unknown.
(There was another George Hood, soldier dying earlier in September 1845 at Leeds, but George Hood the Army man of Leeds is not mine.)

Richard Hood, dying 2 May 1850
Sarah Hood, dying 22 September 1853
Mary Hood, dying 24 November 1854
Ellen Hood, dying 27 July 1855
Sarah Hood dying 28 November 1879, aged 86 (widow of George d. 18 Sept 1845).

George Hood's death (18.09.1845) was noted in the:-
Leeds Intelligencer;
York Herald;
Yorkshire Gazette, newspapers.

Richard Hood's death (02.05.1850) was noted in the:-
Sheffield and Rotherham Independent;
York Herald;
Hull Advertiser;
Hull Packet and East Riding Times;
Leeds Mercury;
Leeds Intelligencer, newspapers.

Their burial places are a mystery!

Thank you, kind regards Mark
Title: Re: Death in Leeds 1840s -evolved into 'which Atkinson is which!!"
Post by: Calverley Lad on Monday 02 May 16 21:56 BST (UK)
Just confirming that the list of Hood burials of Leeds did not include any of yours?
That was the reason I sent the list!
 Brian