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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Jackey on Tuesday 15 September 09 11:07 BST (UK)
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Hello
Im trying to trace the family of Henry Savage who was a farmer in Castlewellan unfortunatley I have no dates however he did have a son Hugh who was born in Castlewellan in 1840 he married a Mary Butler from Stangford Co Down their first child was born in 1870 in Cumbria .
Can anyone help please
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just to start on Ros Davies great co down website
. Hugh SAVAGE . Kilmegan of Aghlisnagin ; leased a house in 1863 from William Wilson GV
Mr. Hugh SAVAGE . Kilmegan of Castlewellan; subscribed £1000 in War Weapons Week in memory of two of his forebears, Lieut. Rowland Savage who fought at Waterloo & Lieut. Patrick Savage R.N. who fought at Trafalgar DR* 11/1/1941
. Hugh Henry SAVAGE . Kilmegan of Castlewellan; manager at Mooney Bros. in 1910; with Mr. Beades bought Kings Mineral Water Mfg in 1910 in Castlewellan; a creditor in the will of John Marner of Ballymacarn in 1917 ; died 1953
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Thankyou for you reply
My husband seems to think that it is another set of the Savage line whom you are talking about .
He knows a decendant of that line and they arn't related .
Our Henry Savage was a farmer in Castlewellan and his son Hugh Savage came over to England before 1870
thats all we know Im sorry for the lack of information and i appreciate the time took to get back to me
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I briefly tried births and marriages at www.ancestryireland.com/
I briefly tried births and marriages at www.familysearch.com two were interesting
HUGH Birth: 20 JUN 1840
HUGH Christening: 1841 Portaferry, Father: JAMES HENRY SAVAGE
Both Records submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Also from www.familysearch.com the1881 census
entry for a Hugh SAVAGE living with family at Cleator, Cumberland
I didn’t have time to look at www.emeraldancestors.com
hope others will join in
good luck, jim
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Thanks Jim I really appreciate the time you took .
My husband would like to go over to Castlewellan however unless we have something to go on I feel it would be a wasted journey as we still wont know where to look. ???
I hope others join in also :)
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newtathis, there are definitely Savages from the Castlewellan area, previous posts have mentioned the Parish of Kilmegan. There is a Henry Savage age 30 with wife and son in 1901 census, I know this is late for your Henry, however there must be some connection somewhere. There is a Henry Savage on the PRONI website, death 1880, County Down Farmer, Tullymore, proved at Belfast by the oaths of William Savage, also farmer from the same area. I take it this would have been a brother to Henry. It is now Tollymore which would be Bryansford, County Down, I am currently researching my family from these parts and have came across the name Savage especially from Slievenisky and Bryansford areas as this is where my mother was born and brought up. Hope this is off some help. Mabes.
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Thankyou Mabes
Im sure it must be from the same line at least it gives me somthing to go on ,I will try to find out some more .
Thanks for getting back to me
good luck in your search also
Newtathis
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Hello
Im trying to trace the family of Henry Savage who was a farmer in Castlewellan unfortunatley I have no dates however he did have a son Hugh who was born in Castlewellan in 1840 he married a Mary Butler from Stangford Co Down their first child was born in 1870 in Cumbria .
Can anyone help please
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Hi there, is this the Henry Savage, whose son Hugh and his wife Mary (nee Butler) settled in Whitehaven, Cumberland and had several children, including James Butler Savage. Hugh and Mary also died in Whitehaven.
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Hello sav10
Yes this is the very same family .Im married to Hugh Savage's Son and trying to trace his family
We are hoping to go over to Castlewellan later in the year so Im trying to get as much information as I can .
Hoping you can help
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Are you George Savage's wife then.
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No Im Micheal Savage's wife (his real name Hugh Micheal)
George is Micheals cousin.
Micheals dad was Hugh and his Mum was Maryann(Flemming)
Can I ask who you are ?
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Recent family details can be discussed by PM (personal message) as we don't allow details of living people posted here.
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A Hugh SAVAGE, Esq. of Ardglass reduced the rent for his lands at Ballylone.
Ditto for the Earl of Annesley who had an estate at Castlewellan.
Ref: The Standard (London, England), Monday, November 22, 1852; Issue 8826
Ref: http://www.lecalehistory.co.uk/lewisC.htm
A search of PRONI's Landed Estates holdings, or through the Registry of Deeds in Dublin, might throw up some SAVAGE names.
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William Le SAUVAGE came across to Ireland in John De COURCY's train in the 12thC.
Not the first "savage" on the island though.
The name "Gael" derives from the earlier "Goedel".
This is a loan word from Welsh "Gwyddel", 'Irishman'.
It has a pejorative meaning (Welsh gwydd, 'wild, savage').
Ref: The Oxford Companion to Irish History, 978-0-19-923483-7 P. 222 Gael
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Thankyou so much for that information
it was really interesting to read
Will take your advice and try the Proni site
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Hi
I wondered if a Mary Savage featured in your family tree? ..... she was my 3xgt grandmother and although I
know she was from County Down Ireland, I have been unable to track her down over the water so to speak!
She was born circa 1835 and married a John Doran probably in C.Down and had 2 children that I know of,:
Elizabeth and John. They moved from Ireland circa late 1860's/ early1870 to Whitehaven and I know they attended St Beghs Catholic Church.
It would be wonderful if we had a connection in some way ...... I have seen Hugh's details as I have been
researching and often wondered.
Kind regards
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Hi alyson
We do have a Mary Savage in our tree although she was born a Mary Butler from Stangford County Down and she married a Hugh Savage from Castlewellan.
So unfortunatley its not the same family
But you never know they may have been cousins
I can sympathise with you on how hard it is to track them down over the water.
We live near Whitehaven so if i can be of help in any way let me know .
Newtathis
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Reckon that there might be a tobacco connection.
Whitehaven used to be a major trading port during sailing days.
Many ships from the American Eastern seabord used to land there as their first port of call.
Cargoes (e.g. Virginian tobacco) were then decanted on to smaller boats operating the coastal trade.
One of their destinations was Belfast (where e.g. the leaf tobacco was teased in to usable form).
http://www.thepeerage.com/p547.htm
Family originally form Nottinghamshire, but were then given a connection with Anglesey in Wales.
http://www.ngw.nl/catalogue/tobaccocards/countryseats.htm
Entry 90 for Earl of Annesley in one of Player's tobacco card series.
Also note entry 2 for LASCELLES famly, Earls Harewood - big players in the Carribean, cousins of Royalty.
[One of their lesser, but more honorable, members ended up in the South of Co. Down.]
http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Castlewellan.php
Whiteside, William, landsteward for Earl of Annesley
Greer, G., sub-agent, Annesley office
[Their names might figure in the land deeds.
Available via LDS microfilms.
Leases were often for three lives - often grandfather, father & son are mentioned.]
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Once again thankyou so much for taking the time to get this information for me .
Its my husbands family and he thinks hes royalty now :D :D :D he will be expecting me to curtsy before long
;)
Thanks again
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There are loads of savages in Downpatrick now.