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I have the info for life after transportation so am working my way back from there. My hope is to find his place of birth.
Benjamin BARRETT born b/w 1808 - 1810 Eng. (age from cemetery death 1889 age 79)
Parents: John BARRETT & Mary LLewelln (from Grave details)
Married: Mary Greig b scotland (?) married in Australia
Conviction: Jan. 1828 Lancaster
There are 4 places within my documents:
Theft was in Manchester.
Court was in Lancaster.
Sailed from Portsmouth.
Physical description from Aust. convict archives has Plymouth (but under no heading)
From memory, someone had him born in Exeter with no supporting documents and other info they had was wrong so I disregarded this avenue.
I will add his childrens name in hope that may help: Amelia. Frances. Ralph. Mary. John. Thomas. Henry. Elizabeth. Benjamin. Emily. Alice. (all born in Australia).
I would be very grateful for any help with this or even some suggestions on where to look. I think because Benjamin only spent approx. 18 years in England, there is not much info, and his fathers name is quite popular 'John Barrett'.
Thank you.
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Bit More,
Not sure, but a Benjamin BARRATT was transported to Tasmania (VDL) conviction dated 21 Jan 1828, trial was at Liverpool Quarter Sessions, sentence was for Life. Transported on Woodford sailed 29 April 1828.
I will try to find more info about that chap...
Cheers, JM
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Bit More
Here's the link for Convicts to Tasmania - Benjamin BarrAtt listed there, the last port in England was Portsmouth, departing there 02 May 1828 arriving in Tasmania 25 Aug 1828
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11
Cheers, JM
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Bit More,
On the online site for Australian newspapers, a Benjamin Barratt, ex Woodford, received Conditional Pardon in 1843. I know that on at least some of the CP's issued in NSW in that era that there was info showing where and when born. Hopefully some of the experienced Tasmanian RChatters will know if that type of info was on the CP's there.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8753240?searchTerm=%22barratt%22
(Colonial Times Newspaper, 10 Jan 1843, page 4)
Cheers, Hope this helps.
JM
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Thanks JM,
It is the same person. All docs refer to him as Barret, his conviction is the only doc. that says BARRATT.
I do have the ship, pardons and tickets of leave etc, all of which dont have birthplace. I haven't been able to get good understanding of English records after a year and half on Australian records but im hoping i will get the hang of these ie; parishes and shires etc.
Thank you kindly for your help. Regards.
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Hi nax071,
There is an indent for your convict Benjamin Barratt.
Unfortunatley its not online.
If you contact the Tasmanian Archives they may be able to send you a copy.
email taho@education.tas.gov.au
The indents normally have Native Place.
Good luck.
Johngirl
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Hi there,
My next suggestion would be the marriage certificate, and there's an extracted record on IGI showing he married Mary GRIGG on 26 Dec 1842 when he was aged 29 and she was 22.
That document would indicate his birth year was abt 1813 ! I'm not sure what other info was on Tas marriage certificates in those times, perhaps his parents names or place of birth (crossing my fingers for you)
Cheers, JM
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Umm, bit more,
I think "Peggy" was one of those girls names that could also be Mary, Margaret, Meg etc. Here's a Benjamin BarrItt's details, son of John and Peggy
Benjamin Barritt
Birth 5 Jun 1812
Christening 30 Aug 1812 at Colne, Lancashire, England (perhaps at St Bartholomew - not sure)
Father's Name: John Barritt
Mother's Name: Peggy
I spotted this on my Ances*** sub, its on an Index of Historic Records - perhaps worth following up ;)
Cheers JM
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Bit more,
That Benjamin Barritt, had a TWIN sister,
Jane Barritt Female Birth 5 Jun 1812 Christening 30 Aug 1812 Christening Place: Colne, Lancashire, England Father's Name: John Barritt Mother's Name: Peggy.
Nax071, any history of NON identical twins in your tree?
JM
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Hi Johngirl,
Firstly thank you for your time, you wouldnt believe it but I only just discovered this 'indent' yesterday (after year and half), but it was blank and I dont even know what it means but I will email the link you sent me. Thanks. Regards.
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Hi JM
This is the problem Im having: that marriage record puts his birth approx 1813: his grave record puts him born 1810. And I have a 'convict description record' with an age of 20 in 1828 (there was no date on list, so may have just been filled out later when he was 20).
I havent checked ANY Barritts records (I will be now!!), there are twins but through a different line. I might re familiarise myself with the descendants and see what i can come up with.
Big Thanks JM
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Hi Nax071
Umm, re those BARRITT twins, the same details are also found as extracted IGI but with surname spelling as BARRETT.
I am currently trying to find one of my forebears in Lancashire/Cheshire area in the 1841 UK census, so I will keep eyes alert for possibles for your lot too (either Jane born 1812 or for the parents!).
Cheers, JM
PS I would think that the groom's info given when marrying would be more accurate than the info given at time of grief and of course, not given by him .... On other hand, groom may have wanted to impress and "upped" his age, but I haven't found any of my male forebears doing that ....
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The excitement of having other avenues to follow amazes me. Something so small can feel like christmas day when your 5.
I will follow all these paths and give you an update soon. sincere thanks.
Caralyn
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Hi Caralyn,
A Convict Indent gives details of the following.
Age.
Where they were trialled.
Religion.
What they were convicted of.
Marital status: single -married.
Any children.
Could they read or write.
Parents and siblings, aunts and Uncles if there were any.
Native Place: which is mainly where they originated from.
Your convict was an early one so maybe his indent would not have any or many details on it but worth a try to see if it has anything written on it.
The Tasmanian Archives have been digitising all the convict records and they still have more to do. It seems that the indent you need is yet to be done. :'(
A Tasmanian marriage certificate from 1842 would have nothing but the signitures of the two people bieng married[sometimes they just put anX if they could not read or write.]The Ministers signiture and the signiture of the witnesses and what church they were married in. Thats about it :'(
Oh plus the date of course. They never had parents details or where they came from .
Johngirl