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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: judyjay on Sunday 13 September 09 13:03 BST (UK)
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My Dublin ancestors all lived in St Thomas's parish, North Dock according to the 1911 census but I can't find anything out about the church. Would this have been a Roman Catholic or a Church of Ireland parish? How many churches would there have been in the parish? I know that my great aunt was married in the Pro- Cathedral on Malborough Street but I have no idea if this was the church they attended - they were all Roman Catholic.
Any information on the parish would be great.
Thanks.
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In this context St Thomas is the CIVIL parish (an administrative division, and there used to be a CofI St Thomas Church- I think it was destroyed in 1916 or the Civil war (maybe someone can confirm this))
The Catholic Parish was the Pro-Cathedral .. other nearish RC churches were St Agatha, N William St, .. St Josephs, Berkley Road ... and I suppose several churches belonging to Religious Ordrs.
eadaoin
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Thanks Eadaoin, that explains it perfectly. If my sister and I get over to Dublin next year we'll start with the Pro-Cathedral records to see if we can trace the rest of the family before moving onto other churches. They all lived within two or three streets of each other so probably worshipped together as well.
Regards
Judy
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Judyjay & Eadaoin
St Thomas(C of I) Church was built in c.1760 when the parish of St.Mary Mary Street was divided to cope with increased population.
St Thomas's Church was gutted by fire which destroyed most of Upper Sackville Street in the Civil War in July 1922. Although the main structure survived the opportunity was taken to extend Gloucester Street (now Sean Mac Dermott Street) up to Sackville Street (now O'Connell Street)
A new St Thomas's Church was errected in the early 1930s.
Regards Quaxer
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Hello Judyjay.
if your planning to look up any records in ST Mary's Pro Cathedral, you will not be allowed to do so.
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Thanks for yours re St Thomas, Quaxer.
Judyjay
some of the Pro-Cathedral records are in the National Library (only fairly recently, maybe in the last 5-6 years )
the ones I looked were old 1850s, but I don't know up to what date they go
- maybe a call to the Nat Lib, or maybe a Dublin Rootschatter could find out for you - I'm too bogged down at the moment to check, I'm afraid
eadaoin
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Thanks Quaxer regarding the info on St Thomas's church/parish. It all helps to build up a picture of where my family lived.
Thanks to gormangenealogy and eadaoin on the Pro-Cathedral information. We won't be going there then. I'll follow up your suggestion about contacting the Nat Lib. I would have done all this before we went anyway so that we knew exactly where the records we wanted to see [if they were available] were located.
The records on familysearch research pilot are only useful when you have an idea of the date you are looking for. But so far 4 of the 5 certificates that I have ordered have been the right ones which I think is pretty good going. Roll on the 1901 census so I can find them on that.
Thanks for all you replies and help
Regards
Judy
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there's an index to the RC microfilms available in the National Library at : http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx
The films for St. Mary's, Marlboro St are numbers P. 9148 to P. 9160 and start in 1798, up to about 1900 for baptisms and 1882 for marriages.
Shane
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Thanks Shane.
I see you are researching Rooneys in Dublin city. You don't have any Annie/Anne's born c 1850 do you? My great grandmother was Annie Rooney and she is entered as being 60 years old on the 1911 census. She married Patrick Daly also of Dublin. I have no other information for them other that that they missed three years off my grandmother's age on the 1911 so their ages may not be too exact either. I'm looking forward to finding them on 1901.
Regards
Judy
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My Rooney ancestors are from North Co. Dublin - near to Rush.. none in the City that I know of, but I have not followed the non-direct branches of that line very far yet.
Draigcoch has a post on the Dublin section (http://www.rootschat.com/links/073t/) also looking for Rooney's connections a little after this time .. possibly in the Dublin city area
Shane
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Hello to everyone, regarding st thomas parish, my great grandfather who lived in north cumberland street, north dock, put on his 1911 census, st thomas as his parish, he was roman catholic. beside him was the pro catheral, and lourdes church, known then as the tin church, on gloucester street, now known as sean mcdermot street, then they moved around the corner to glorneys buildings, off gloucester street. i think the 1926 census should be put online with the 1901.my family name is ( lynch ) any info would be very helpful, espically photos of glorneys buildings, tony. email (*) :)
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Just to say that I contacted the Pro-Cathedral and they were most helpful in my search for my Dublin family. Still looking forward to a trip next year to trawl throught the National Library and Archives.
I'm reading Kearns 'Dublin Tenement Life' at the moment and it is very good. I recommend it if you can get a copy.
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Just to say that I contacted the Pro-Cathedral and they were most helpful in my search for my Dublin family. Still looking forward to a trip next year to trawl throught the National Library and Archives.
I'm reading Kearns 'Dublin Tenement Life' at the moment and it is very good. I recommend it if you can get a copy. hi
hi.could you tell me please who you dealt with and where in the pro-cathedral regarding your inquiry.
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Hi, I emailed them on the address on the website and they confirmed that they had the records I was looking for. A copy of an entry costs 6 euros. They didn't confirm the actual event just that they had the parish records that it would be in if the event took place at the Cathedral so really you have to be certain that that was where your ancestors were baptised, married or buried.
As you will have seen from an earlier post in this thread the older records can be viewed at the National Library in Dublin. You can also use the Research pilot on familysearch.org to look for BMDs in the Registers. That is how I found most of my family. The marriages are a bit tricky as you have to search for the bride and groom separately and then cross-reference the volume and page numbers. The forms for ordering those certificates are available to download on the Irish GRO website.
Good luck
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thanks to every one for the advice, :)
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My Donnelly/Sheridan antecedents lived in tenements in Marrowbone Lane and were baptised and married in St Catherine of Alexandria church which happens to be around the corner from the closed church of St Catherine which is non-Catholic and at which my sister and I had spent considerable time imagining the lives of our ancesters. We felt a trifle foolish when we were directed to the right place!
However, it was a truly lovely experience to be able to pray in the church where our great grandmother was baptised and married. The Augustinian Brother who assisted us in looking up the records was wonderful as was his lay offsider. We grew up in Bendigo Australia and this diocese was founded by Augustinian Irish priests so it was all a happy coincidence.
Which is all to say that it is always worth a try asking to see the records if they have time. Mind you we are none the wiser as to gg grandmother's name on the Sheridan side but it was a great experience to see the original entry and to know Dad wasn't dreaming when he remembered names
- his mother and grandmother died the same year that he turned 15 and he wasn't renowned for remembering names!!
Margaret Fullarton
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Try this site
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html
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Thankyou Gormangenealogy I did search that site quite thoroughly and there seem to be few records of St Catherine of Alexandria's but that's ok - i love trawling and will visit again soon.
Margaret Fullarton