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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: lisa23 on Sunday 13 September 09 06:03 BST (UK)
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Hi. I am after any information on the Ryan family. Parents were John Ryan and Honora Finn. Children - Edward Ryan, John Gubbins Ryan and Leo Ryan. I think John died in 1970 and Leo died in 1952. Need to confirm deaths and any marriages. Any help appreciated.
Regards Lisa
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Hi Lisa
ok.....
RYAN Leo died 1952 age 55 in Kew
Parents John Andrew RYAN and Honora Magdalena FINN
reg 10815
RYAN John Gubbins died 1970 age 76 in Oakleigh
Parents John Andrew RYAN and Honora FINN
reg 19486
Daizi
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RYAN John Gubbins married Isabel Margaret SEXTON 1929
reg 4523
Is quite a few marriages for Leo and Edward RYAN.....would need more info to narrow it down....sorry
Daizi
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RYAN Edward
Father John Andrew Mother Hannah FINN
At Reservoir 79 years 1969 Reg#14621
Fawkner Memorial Park - The location of the cremated remains of the late Edward RYAN aged 79 are at the Garden Of Remembrance 3 Wall Niches Section 3 Compartment F Niche 16. Date of service 18 Jul 1969.
Cando
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Hi Lisa,
Just reminding chatters that you have posted a number of requests about the couple JOHN And HONORAH and while the children you are inquiring about today may not have been researched here before, many other aspects of the family have.
It may be a help to either link your previous posts or summarize what you do already know to save wasted search time in duplication. :D
Sue
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Australian Electoral Roll
1919, 1924
RYAN John Andrew, Police Station, Footscray Sergeant of Police
RYAN John Gubbins, Police Station, Footscray Clerk
RYAN Leo, Police Station, Footscray Warehouseman
1931,1936
RYAN Isabel Margaret, 26 Blackwood Street, Oakleigh HD
RYAN John Gubbins 26 Blackwood Street, Oakleigh Clerk
RYAN Leo 26 Blackwood Street, Oakleigh Sales
Cando
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Birth
SEXTON Isabel Margaret
Father Jeremiah Mother Sarah Ann SHURAN
At Heathcote 1891 Reg#23829
Death
RYAN Isobel Margaret
Father Sexton Jeremiah Mother Sarah Anne SHURAN
At Malvern 72 years 1965 Reg#5728
I don't know whether you have this death reg...I would think with the name Gubbins, it would be your ancestor.
Death
RYAN John Andrew
Father Ryan Edmond Gubbins Mother Bridget Theresa HENNESSY
At Ascot Vale 72 years 1932 Reg#8068
Thee is no marriage for Leo between 1936 [electoral roll listing] and 1942, limit of marriage indexes.
Cando
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Hi Daizi & Cando
Thankyou both for the information you have supplied. It has given me something to go on with. I didn't have any of it so it has helped alot. Much appreciate.
Sue
I apologise for doing my request in bits and pieces. I will try and do what you suggest next time.
Regards
Lisa
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Do you have any information about Edward's death? I guess his mother's death cert in 1900 or father's in 1932 would give you more information.
Cheers
Cando
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Hello Ryan researchers
I was so excited to read your chat! I had "lost" John Andrew ;DRYAN from NZ but now have "found" him through your messages. He was born in Bendigo, emigrated to Otago NZ early to mid 1860s and at some time returned to Victoria. I wonder if his mother, Bridget Theresa RYAN (nee HENNESSY) and sister, Catherine Eleanor RYAN, also moved to Victoria?
His father, Edward (sometimes recorded as Edmond) Gubbins RYAN, died in Dunedin in 1884. He and Bridget married in Bendigo in 1857. Edward was born c1832 in Ireland.
Did John Andrew and Honora have only the three sons?
Does anyone know anything of Bridget and/or Catherine?
Thank you!
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Welcome to Rootschat, Ryansearcher.
Here are links to some of the other threads that Lisa23 has posted about the Ryan family. I don't know if they'll be helpful to you or not, but you may find them interesting.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,401781.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,402005.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,405943.0.html
One of those threads answers your question about children for John Andrew and his wife.
I'm having a look to see if I can find anything else for you.
Dee :)
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There are two more children for John Andrew Ryan and Honora Finn that I can see - twins – but they died as infants. Lisa23 mentioned in one of the threads that she knew of their births.
Norah Ryan born 1900 in Caramut
Ref = 24837
Died 1901 in Mortlake
Ref = 3065
Pat RYAN born 1900 in Caramut
Ref =24838
Died 1901 in Caramut
Ref = 886
Dee
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Hi Dee
Thanks very much for your prompt reply. It's so satisfying to fill in gaps and this one has been puzzling me for several years!
;D
Very happy!
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Hi Ryanresearcher,
I cannot remember whether or not I have passed these details on to Lisa 23.
Will put them up again anyway.
These are the burials of the twins at Mortlake cemetery where, as you see, Honorah is also.
The index number on the list is 195
Name RYAN, Norah. She was aged 3 months and the comment says Daughter of Honora RYAN ( index number193).
The index number on the list is 194
Name RYAN, Patrick. He was aged 3 months and the comment says Son of Honora RYAN ( index number193)
The index number on the list is193
Name RYAN, Honora Born Abt. 1867. She died on 6 Nov 1900 and was aged 33.The comments read Mother of Patrick ( index no.194) & Norah (index no.195); sister of Edward FINN ( index number196).
There are a great many RYAN's in the area's cemeteries.
Sue
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Hi Ryanresearcher.
Welcome to the site, a very good one might I add. So many helpful people. I am mainly researching the Finn family. I don't have much info on the Ryan's but if there is anything you need to know, give me a yell ;) or send a message. Will help anyway I can.
Regards
Lisa
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Hi
I wonder if anyone has Vic death records database? I have two Catherine Ryans and would like to make sure they are different people. :-\
Catherine Eleanor RYAN b 1866 NZ d 1915 Vic Fa: Ed Gubbins RYAN Mo:Bridget HENNESSEY
(Sister of John Andrew-found thanks to your newspaper reference! Not married.)
Catherine Sophia RYAN b 1866 Vic d 1915 Vic Fa:John RYAN Mo: Ellen BENNETT
Thanks.
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Only information I can add is that Cath. Eleanor was aged 47 and died in Bendigo.
Ref = 372
I can't find a death reg. for Catherine Sophia Ryan for 1915. :-\
Dee
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Hi Dee
Thanks :)
Wonder if Catherine Sophia married then? Does anyone have a marriage database please?
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I'll have a look for you..... :D
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You are 8) !!!
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I can't see a marriage for a Catherine Sophia Ryan up to 1920. There are literally dozens and dozens of Catherine Ryans marrying.
I've also searched for her death in all the records just using the given name Sophia and the father's name John, and nothing shows.
I also tried just searching for her death using the parents' names only.
Dee
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Oh well! That's how it is sometimes.... thank you so much for trying. Will try to think of another angle.
I have some NZ databases if you need anything looked up.
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Thanks Ryansearcher. I'll remember that. :)
And if I come across anything else, I'll put it on the thread.
Dee
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Hello All....
Not sure that this fits in with your dates but it may help explain the Gubbins and Ryan connection. John Ryan (Landowner of Cross House, Parish of Pallas) married Ann Gubbins (sometimes written Anne). They had 5 kids before Ann died. Ann is buried in the Oola cemetery in Ireland. I have visited her grave as well as the house where they and the family lived before leaving for the Australian goldfields - Bendigo Creek, later named Sandhurst and then Bendigo. The 5 kids were Laurence Gubbins, Edmund Gubbins, Lucy, John Gubbins and Robert Gubbins. The father John remarried in Bendigo but I have no further details of him recorded. I have birth / death dates for Edmund as 1861 to 1884 but given the death date and place is the same as that provided by Ryan Researcher I am thinking 1861 has to be an incorrect birth date. He married the sister of a Mrs Haslett. One of their descendents recently wrote a book in NZ about the Ryans. I am heading back to NZ (currently working in Canada) at Christmas and can probably get my hands on her email address, if anyone wants it. I think she charges for printing but not much more (say $20?)...going by memory.
John and Ann's daughter Lucy married a Daniel Moran in Sandhurst and they along with Lucy's brothers all followed the gold rush to Central Otago. Most the boys went into the bar trade - Laurence running the Bendigo Hotel in Alexandra.
Lucy and Daniel are my great grandparents and my family still run the farm in Central Otago that they established after the golf rush. Lucy and Daniel are buried in the Drybread cemetery. The Morans and Ryans remain close - so much so that we have had combined family reunions....the next one scheduled for 2012 in Central Otago.
Regards
Mary Moran
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Welcome to Rootschat, Mary! :)
I'm sure that Ryansearcher will be pleased to have that information, and wikll hopefully respond on here when she sees your post.
You will be able to send her personal messages on here.....no email addresses allowed on board messages for obvious reasons... . .but first you'll need to have posted two more messages on the thread.
Dee
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Hello All (including Mary!)
Ed Gubbins Ryan born c1832 Co Limerick, died 1884 Dunedin.
Have had no luck re John Andrew RYANs mother, Bridget (nee HENNESSEY).....will keep looking....
Thanks all
Ryanresearcher
:)
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Message for Mary
Hi - I am unable to send you another personal message until you post two more on the message board!
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Hello All
I have a request for anyone with a Vic deaths database. I have found two FOLEY females who are probably connected to RYANs. If someone could check parents of these for me it would be much appreciated.
Honora FOLEY d1924 aged 59
Sarah Jane FOLEY d1925 aged65
Many thanks
RR
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Here you go......
Honora FOLEY aged 60 died in 1924 at BGO.
Ref = 13002
Parents listed as Edmund FOLEY & Isabel MCCALL
Sarah Jane FOLEY has the same parents, but the mother’s name is spelt MCCOLL.
Ref = 4105
Aged 65 and died in 1925 at BGO.
Dee :)
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Thanks very much Dee
;D
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Hi,
You may like to know that the 2 women , Honoura nad Sarah Jane are buried together at White Hills cemetery.
You can get their exact location and exact dates of burial
http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp
Sue
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Thanks Sue. :)
One more request if anyone could do a look up - does marriage database name parents? If so I would love to know parents of Bridget HENNESSEY/HENNESSY married Ed Gubbins RYAN in 1857.
I am so grateful for extra information I have found in the last month thanks to Rootsweb contributors - wish I'd joined sooner!
Thank you all :-*
RR
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One more request if anyone could do a look up - does marriage database name parents? If so I would love to know parents of Bridget HENNESSEY/HENNESSY married Ed Gubbins RYAN in 1857.
Marriage
RYAN Edward
HENNESSEY Bridget
1857 Reg#2983
Parents of bride and groom are not detailed on the marriage indexes. However the parents' names and fathers' occupations along with the places of birth of the bride and groom are shown on the marriage certificates. There is a facility to purchase online and immediately download at
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
You will need the registration number above.
Cheers
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Thanks Cando - your time appreciated.
;D
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Hi All
Lucky enough to be heading to Ireland today! Will watch the Irish beat the Wallabies (as the only kiwi in the group going I have to say that) in Dublin and will then head up to Limmerick and Tipperary to do some research - especially Winifred and George Moran (their son Daniel married Lucy Ryan), Ryans and Gubbins. If anyone has particular research centres, churches or people they can recommend please let me know.
Regards
Mary
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Lucky you!
Have sent a personal message re some recent personal research, Mary, so check your inbox.
Cashel Emly parish records are held at Tipperary Family History Unit - there is no facility for personal research but you can commission research and collect it later.
http://www.tipperary-excel.com
I have found more information here than someone's earlier research found at the Nicker church. If you would like to get in touch we can avoid paying for the same information.
Have fun
RR
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To Ryan researcher
Catherine Eleanor Ryan b. abt. 1866 New Zealand
m. no.
d. january 1915 Bendigo Victoria
Catherine Eleanor Ryan parents Edmond Gubbins Ryan - Bridget Teresa Hennessey
Catherine Sophia Ryan b. 1866 Sandhurst (Bendigo)
m. 10 October 1923
d.21 May 1944 Private hospital Kew Victoria
catherine Sophia Married a Reuben Sparrow , it was his second marriage
Catherine Sophia Ryan parents John Ryan - Ellen Bennett
Catherine Sophia Ryan is buried with her mother in the St. Kilda Cemetery
If you want any other information on the Ryan's contact me
quite happyto share any information, have been researching ryans for past 12 years
regards
colin ryan
Catherine Sophia Ryan was often called Dolly. If you search on Trove news papers you will find a lot of information on her
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Hi
I hope i am not too late, while you are in ireland if you visit Elizabeth Ryan Limerick Road Ennis Co Clare , she has abed and breakfast, there and she is related to the Ryans from Cross Cottage, she is my second cousin. Eliz has done a lot of research in Ireland on the Ryan family tree.
regards colin ryan
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Hi
Leo Ryan never married he died 1952 in kew Victoria
Edward Ryan married 1912 to Agnes Ada MacIntosh
Edward died 1969 Reservoir Victoria
they had 1 child that i am sure of Edward John Ryan babt 1919
hope this helps
colin ryan