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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: bellbird on Sunday 13 September 09 05:23 BST (UK)
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Hi fellow Kiwis. I have been tracing my great grandparents in NZ. I have them okay, she being of the Ackerman family (Jane Jolliffe Ackerman prior to marrying her husband who liked to be called Thomas (full name John Powell Thomas Grant Webb). They lived in the Upper Hutt area presumably until he died and Jane moved in with one of her daughters. I have been told he is buried in St Johns Trentham Churchyard, it appears to be unmarked, and Janes burial taught me to not take she's not here for granted when other sources say she is. Palmerston North Cemetery said she wasn't there, but pushing them further in response to a microfiche in Wellington they found her, she's sharing a grave with one of her daughters. I have found some of their family (all daughters i.e. original family).
However her brother Henry came out to NZ a little later and settled in the Carterton area. An article in Papers Past tells of an altercation Henry had with Jane while JPTG was halfway across the Hutt River, threatening "to do for her and burn her house down". Sounds a fiesty guy yet the photos Mum had of him he doesn't give that impression. I have one photo of him and one of his family which appears to be a celebration of some sort as there is a large highly decorated cake in the front. The Ackerman family after that generation seem to have vacated that area and I have been unable to trace descendants of which I hope one would have the same photo of the group and be able to name them for me. Seems strange for the whole group to disappear. There are Ackermans on the West Coast of the North Island but I have had no response to a letter drop I did to them. So I am wondering if there is anyone out there who is a member of Henry's family, who is able to help me. My Mother's family attended the same school as some of Henry's children it would appear and probably accounts for her mother being left out of Jane's will. - guess she may have been seen as "consorting with the enemy" as the saying goes. Henry, his wife and one daughter are buried in the Carterton area. Ackerman family in England were surprised to learn of there being Ackermans in NZ. Jane and Henry came from a quite large family and I have been able to trace their births and marriage and children in England and the ship they came out on. BELLBIRD
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Hi Bellbird
There are eight Ackerman's registered on the Palmerston City Councils cemetery database, six of them buried at Ashhurst and two at Kelvin Grove. Worth a look perhaps.
http://www.pncc.govt.nz/ServicesAndFacilities/OnlineServices/CemeteryAndCremationSearch.aspx?CemteryID=1
Alan
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Hi Bellbird
So just wondering what we can specifically look for?
You want Henry's family
Do you have all the children, just looking at NZSG index and the school records. Alice, Mary Jane, Elizabeth Carterton school
Then there are later ones with HEnry Ackerman father at Wellington, is this a son?
Bye
Althea
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Morning folks, Alan I am looking at the P.N. Cemetery records for Ackermans you suggested, still don't know if they were mine and who they'd be in the photo. Don't know who of the married ones (children in photo) is family and who are in-laws, even how many children Henry and Susan had. Alice in Althea's list is buried in the same cemetery as Henry and Susan (parents) so obviously remained a spinster, maybe she was kept home to look after the parents. Henry in Wellington sounds like a son named after Daddy. Maybe if it is possible to find Henry's death notice it might well list the children but don't think he is well enough off to be of note. It wouldn't help with the naming of people in the photo. The research lady in Carterton area knows of a lady in Wellngton that she knows comes from an Ackerman family and is fairly certain is connected to Henry's family but the lady hasn't replied to numerous attempts to contact her. Will have to try and get some time off work, (difficult when freight keeps flowing in and has to be delivered same day) and get into the central library and browse through the electoral rolls for Carterton area. As I've said Mum's family had contact with Henry living in same area but being of a different generation the children's ages must be vastly different, I guess. Thanks for your help. Lyn
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However her brother Henry came out to NZ a little later and settled in the Carterton area.
The Ackerman family after that generation seem to have vacated that area and I have been unable to trace descendants
Hi Bellbird
Is it the descendants of Henry ACKERMAN that you are seeking ?
[It's rather difficult from the information provided so far, to determine exactly what is wanted ? You haven't mentioned any dates at all ... and that doesn't help us, in helping you.]
Okay ... I gather from another of your threads (re: ACKERMAN) that you haven't as yet worked out who the children of Henry and Susan were, nor have you found their arrival in NZ ?
This might help > >
Colonial Nominated Families and Children aboard the "Zealandia" : Departed London 17 July 1879 - Arrived Wellington NZ - 17 October 1879 :
AKERMAN(n) (sic) *
Henry (38) Dorset - Farm Labourer (3052) **
Susan (36)
William (14)
Elizabeth (12)
Mary (10)
Alice (7)
John (4)
Charles (1 year)
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* AKERMANN (Either writtten incorrectly on the manifest - or the transcriber of the list, has had difficulty in deciphering the name ? )
** (3052) I think this number may relate to a "promissory note" (for passage monies) signed before the journey commenced ?
Lu
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Adding approx. birth years (for reference to some further information to follow) :
ACKERMAN family
Henry - 38 (born circa 1841) Actual : 1838
Susan - 36 (bc 1843)
William - 14 (bc 1865)
Elizabeth - 12 (bc 1867)
Mary - 10 (bc 1869)
Alice - 7 (bc 1872)
John - 4 (bc 1875)
Charles 1 year (bc 1878)
Henry's age is given on the passenger list as 38 - bc 1841 - though he was apparently born in 1838. (It wasn't at all unusual for men "to tweak their ages" on their emigration papers.)
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Then there are later ones with HEnry Ackerman father at Wellington, is this a son?
Henry in Wellington sounds like a son named after Daddy.
The "Henry ACKERMAN in Wellington" was not the son of Henry (from Carterton).
The Wellington man was "Henry Emil ACKERMAN" (who had a troubled wife named Susannah ... and numerous children).
Henry Emil ACKERMAN was born circa 1852 - he died in 1930).
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Children of Henry and Susan ACKERMAN
There's quite a bit of information to come, for the children. I haven't looked too closely for their births on FREE BMD - a "William George ACKERMAN - BIRTHS - JUN - 1865 - registered Bridport" seemed a likely son ? I'll start though, with the daughters.
NZ Marriage Index
Mary Jane ACKERMAN - John James GRAVESTOCK - 1895
Deaths
Mary Jane GRAVESTOCK - died 12 May 1958 - aged 88 years (bc 1870)
Buried Clareville Cemetery, Carterton - Plot 397 - C of E
Husband John James GRAVESTOCK d. 1938, in an adjacent plot at Clareville.
NZ Birth Index
1898 - GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy
Parents : Mary Jane and John James
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NZ Marriage Index
Vivian Roy GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe MANNING - 1924
Palmerston North Cemeteries database
GRAVESTOCK - Vivian Roy - d. 1981 - 82 years
NZ Death Index
1981 - GRAVESTOOCK - Vivian Roy - d.o.b. 22 January 1898
1992 - GRAVESTOCK - Zoe Thorpe - d.o.b. 10 July 1897
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Thanks Lucy for your efforts, will have a real good look at it over the weekend, week days I'm real tired after work thanks to another brain injury from a learner driver ploughing into the back of my work van. Some days get real tired not doing alot, thinking processes slow too. Still can retire at end of March. ;D :D
My interest in Henry's family is due to the family photo of a time of celebration (huge cake sitting on ground in front of them) and I don't know who is who and would love to know. So hope through the family history to find an Ackerman rele who may have the same photo and know who they all are. The fact that they all seem to have disappeared didn't help. However seeing from your list three were girls that would account for some of it, when they married, though as I've said it seems that Alice stayed home to look after the parents as she is buried under name of Alice Ackerman. Henry's gravestone said he was born 1838 in Burton Bradstock as was Jane my rele. Your comment about assisted passage would fit in with the newspaper report in Papers about the "attack" by Henry on Jane as part of his beef was that he'd been brought out on false information. Intriguing too that Henry in Wellington was not part of the family as that means another Ackerman also came out to NZ, this will be new info for Ackermans back in England, they thought they were only in the UK so another surprise. I think it is the name Gravestock that Adele (Carterton Researcher) has been trying to get a response from. Ackerman spelling in family history varies from Ackerman, Akerman and Acreman, maybe others too. Have been trying to chase up my great grandparents on Dad's side, the Bonds are ok apart from 3x great grandfather dying (inquest report) but no one can find where he was buried and have put it down to clergyman forgetting to write it in the Parish Records. William White and his wife Anne I can only find the names of their children and the fact that the parents died very young, she in a unmarked shared grave at Port Chalmers, and he it seems to be in Dunedin though a lighterman under title Captain which may have been a nick name. Children were young my grandmother 1 year old who doesn't show up until 13 in an Industrial School, the older two apart from their marriages don't appear at all. Have got William's bankruptcy papers as was told they often hold other info, but these don't unfortunately. Can't trace their births or marriage in Scotland or arrival in NZ. He would have been 20 and she 17 according to family story. Consequently Ackermans were on the back burner for awhile. Mum's father I can't trace his arrival in NZ as he jumped ship and wandered around under a false name for some time until someone convinced him to contact his family in Devon and say he was ok, they weren't amused having reached the purple stage of mourning. Twould appear that nothing is new, so much that happened then, still happens today though a little different some time. Whoa 20 t0 7 must run and get to work. Look forward to your further info. Lyn
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Children of Henry and Susan ACKERMAN - cont'd.
Elizabeth ACKERMAN
NZ Marriage Index
Elizabeth Susan ACKERMAN - Henry HALFYARD - 1889
Children of Elizabeth Susan and Henry HALFYARD :
1890 - Petronella HALFYARD
1892 - Ethel Vera HALFYARD
1897 - Sybil HALFYARD
1901 - Philip Henry Charles HALFYARD
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HALFYARD
The NZ Marriage Index shows only two listings for this surname (Henry to Elizabeth Susan in 1889 ... and their daughter Ethel Vera in 1919) :
Marriage
Ethel Vera HALFYARD - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 1919
NZ Death Index
1963 - Ethel Vera HANSEN - 71 years
1964 - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 77 years
[Place of burial/cremation, as yet unknown Nelson ]
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HALFYARD family
Deaths
Susan Elizabeth HALFYARD - (72) - d. 8 August 1940
Henry HALFYARD - (71) - d. 22 October 1933
Petronella HALFYARD - (37) - d. 13 June 1928
Sybil HALFYARD - (27) - d. 16 November 1928
Phillip Henry Charles HALFYARD - (37) - d. 5 November 1938
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ALL are buried in the Archer Street Cemetery at Masterton.
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Note re: Elizabeth ACKERMAN :
NZ Death Index shows her as "1940 - HALFYARD - Elizabeth Susan - 72 years"
Burial - "Susan Elizabeth HALFYARD"
1871 Census - Crewkerne, Somerset
"ACKERMAN - Susan - aged 2 - daughter - born Bristol "
FREE BMD - BIRTHS - JUN - 1868
"ACKERMAN - Susan Elizabeth - reg'd Clifton (Gloucestershire)
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HALFYARD
Marriage
Ethel Vera HALFYARD - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 1919
NZ Death Index
1963 - Ethel Vera HANSEN - 71 years
1964 - Marcus Christian HANSEN - 77 years
[Place of burial/cremation, as yet unknown Nelson ]
re : Ethel Vera HANSEN (nee HALFYARD)
Ashes burial at Wakapuaka Cemetery, Nelson :
In same plot :
Marcus Christian HANSEN (husband)
Joan Pauline HANSEN (possibly daughter ?)
Donald Henry Malcolm HANSEN (son ?)
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Children of Susan and Henry ACKERMAN - cont'd.
William ACKERMAN - born circa 1865
[Note: I can't be 100% certain that the records which follow, relate to William, s/o Susan and Henry, however this "William George ACKERMAN" is closest in age, and also has a connection to the Wairarapa region. ]
NZ Marriage Index
William George ACKERMAN - Sarah TURNER - 1888
Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN :
1888 - William Bertram ACKERMAN *
(* Shown as Bertram William on later records)
1892 - Eleanor Jane ACKERMAN
1896 - Frederick George ACKERMAN
1899 - John William ACKERMAN
[Source : NZ BMD online index ]
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NZ Death Index
1956 - ACKERMAN - William George - 90 years
1950 - ACKERMAN - Sarah - 82 years
Burials
William George ACKERMAN - (90) - d. 11 July 1956
Sarah ACKERMAN - (82) - d. 17 September 1950
Both are buried at Archer Street Cemetery, Masterton :
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Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN
Bertram William ACKERMAN - b. 1888
WW1 Service - Army
Bertram William ACKERMAN - occupation - Carpenter
NoK : Mrs S. ACKERMAN (mother) 5 Landsdowne Road, Masterton
NZ Marriage Index
Bertram William ACKERMAN - Ruby Jane WILTON - 1921
NZ Death Index
1979 - ACKERMAN - Bertram William - 90 years
1965 - ACKERMAN - Ruby Jane - 67
Burials
Bertram William ACKERMAN - d. 27 March 1975
Ruby Jane ACKERMAN - d. 7 April 1965
Both buried at Archer Street Cemetery, Masterton :
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Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN
Eleanor Jane ACKERMAN - b. 1892
NZ Marriage Index
Eleanor Jane ACKERMAN - William James FLAWS - 1915
NZ Death Index
1974 - FLAWS - Eleanor Jane - d.o.b. 22 September 1892
1966 - FLAWS - William James - 79 years
Burials - Archer Street Cemetery, Masterton
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Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN
Frederick George ACKERMAN - born 1896
WW1 Service - Army
Frederick George ACKERMAN - Next of Kin: W.G. ACKERMAN (Father), Masterton
NZ Marriage Index
Frederick George ACKERMAN - Clara Ida EICHLER - 1923
[Deaths not found in NZ for this couple ]
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Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN
John William ACKERMAN - born 1899
[Note: On some records he is shown as "William John" ]
NZ Marriage Index
William John ACKERMAN - Ethel Clarace ? (Clarence) COLLIS - 1925
NZ Death Index
Burials
John William ACKERMAN buried Ashhurst Cemetery, with
Ethel Clarence ACKERMAN (same plot).
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Children of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN
John William ACKERMAN - born 1899
[Note: On some records he is shown as "William John" ]
NZ Marriage Index
William John ACKERMAN - Ethel Clarace ? (Clarence) COLLIS - 1925
NZ Death Index
1972 - ACKERMAN - William John - d.o.b. 27 June 1899
1977 - ACKERMAN - Ethel Clarence - d.o.b. 22 August 1905
1993 - ACKERMAN - Allan Collis William - d.o.b. 25 April 1929
Burials
Ashhurst Cemetery (Manawatu)
William John ACKERMAN and
Ethel Clarence ACKERMAN (same plot)
Allan Collis William ACKERMAN (son ?)
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Note: Ashhurst Cemetery records can be found on Palmerston North cemeteries (online) database .
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Hi Bellbird
There are eight Ackerman's registered on the Palmerston City Councils cemetery database, six of them buried at Ashhurst and two at Kelvin Grove. Worth a look perhaps.
http://www.pncc.govt.nz/ServicesAndFacilities/OnlineServices/CemeteryAndCremationSearch.aspx?CemteryID=1
Alan
Bellbird
It appears that six of the ACKERMAN names which show on the above database as burials at Ashhurst Cemetery, are descendants of William George ACKERMAN (s/o Henry and Susan ACKERMAN).
The two burials in the name of ACKERMANN (spelt with a double "N") do NOT appear to be related.
[John Frederick ACKERMANN : NZ Birth - 1890 - ACKERMANN - John Frederick - mother Dora - father N/R.
NZ Marriage Index - ACKERMANN Johann Frederick - Florence Rose SMALL - 1915] :
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A bonus child. :) (NZ Birth Index has this one listed as AKERMAN) :
Child of William George and Sarah ACKERMAN :
1904 - AKERMAN (sic) - Ethel Cecelia Susan
Parents: Sarah and William.
NZ Marriage Index
Ethel Cecelia Susan ACKERMAN - William Leslie HARRINGTON - 1927
NZ Death Index
1990 - HARRINGTON - Ethel Cecilia (sic) - d.o.b. 23 June 1904
1972 - HARRINGTON - William Leslie - d.o.b. 19 June 1903
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HARRINGTON ... cont'd.
Burials
Ethel Cecilia HARRINGTON - (85 years) - d. 14 February 1990
William Leslie HARRINGTON - d. 22 July 1972
Archer Street Cemetery, Masterton :
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Another "bonus" child. ;) (Indexed as ACKERMANN)
NZ Birth Index
1883/7081 - ACKERMANN (sic) - Ellen
Parents: Susan and Henry Joliffe
NZ Marriage Index
Ellen ACKERMAN - Robert Allen ADAMS - 1903
Children of Ellen and Robert Allen ADAMS
NONE found on NZ index
NZ Death Index
1911 - ADAMS - Robert Allen - 29 years
Burial Archer Street Cemetery (Masterton)
NOTE: I've not found a death for Ellen ADAMS ... nor a re-marriage. ( Still looking).
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Hi, Have just discovered this site! Im Pauline, grand-daughter of Ethel (got called Vera) and Marcus (Mark) Hansen. My Dad Geoffrey pointed out the house in Clareville where the Ackermans lived. Dad passed away a couple of years ago and is buried in the Masterton cemetery with his Aunts Sybil and Petronella, and the grave site behind is where his grandfather rests- Henry. Phillip is in another row there. Be wonderful to share copies of family photos. Vera was the only one of the children who married- Dad said that one of his mothers sisters died of the dreadful flu after WW1, one of those girls was a music teacher. I have one brother John who lives in Masterton. I recall Dad donating some photos to a museum or similar in Masterton a few years ago- they may have been more from the Hansen side of the family? I have a small bible given to Henry when he left to come to New Zealand- must go hunt it out. I seem to recall Dad saying his grand-parents Henry and Susan had 2 dogs called Winky and Blinky! My grandparents Vera and Mark died in Nelson as mentioned, Uncle Donald died some years ago, his wife and son still live in Nelson. Aunty Joan never married (I have got my name from her middle name- Pauline) My mother is still alive but very frail and in advanced stages of Alzhiemers.
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Hi Chick Chick I am descended from the Ackerman family too but from Henry's sister Jane who married a John Powell Thomas Grant Webb and they moved to NZ with their family prior to Henry. Apparently he wasn't very happy with his sister Jane, accusing her of getting him out under false pretenses and owing him money. According to Papers Past site there was a barney when he appeared at Jane's home threatening to do for her etc. However the younger generation didn't carry it on as my grandmother moved with her husband to the Carterton area and obviously had contact with children attending the same school. My grandmother was left out of her mother's will no doubt for "consorting with the enemy" You can see the story on Papers Past site. I have a photo of Henry obviously somewhat older and a family group which with a large cake in front I presume was a special celebration. I don't know the names of the people in the photo and would be pleased to know who is who. I wonder if the amongst the photos sent to the Museum there would be one of Jane prior to the dispute.
My mother is the youngest of the family but did get to school in that area briefly. Any Ackerman family info would be greatly appreciated. I had advertised for Ackerman family in a magazine but had no response, also wrote a number of letters with the same results so am pleased to see your message on my site. BELLBIRD
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Hi Lyn (Bellbird) can you please contact me * re our Ackerman roots.
Cheers Pauline
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Hi there I just found this site by mistake, I have been trying to trace the Ackerman family in England but came to a stand still with my greatgreat grandfather Henry Ackerman, My name is Debra Robinson (nee Ackerman) daughter of Allan Collis Ackerman my grandfather was John William Ackerman I have 1 sister and 3 brothers. My brothers are there sons are the last of the Ackerman line on this side so I thought please can you get in touch with me I would dearly love to get to know more about my family tree.
Thanks Debra
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Hi Debra
if you make 2 more posts you can use the personal message facility, under each persons name to exchange private email address and info
You may find it useful to make a new post o the main part of the board, for any brickwalls that you have and need help with, as this post is in the competed section
Bye
althea ;D
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Hi folk looking for Ackermans in NZ I have been off line for what seems an eternity, probably is. It is thanks to the Earthquakes here in Christchurch. The computer refused to work after being thrown on the ground and bounced around at least 4 times. Hence i haven't been looking at Family Tree or anything else. Henry Ackerman the first male of this branch in NZ is my Uncle with I think two greats, the brain doesn't function as well currently his sister is my great grandmother. I have a family group photo of Henry celebrating something as there is a big cake? in the front as well as one of him amongst all the papers that the quakes have refiled for me amongst every other paper I have which are still being resorted. If you look back through my messages you will should find reference to a lady in Carterton? area who has done research for me on Henry and his immediate family. Bellbird
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Hi Chick Chick If you still want to contact me, send me a Personal Message as suggested by Althea. Bellbird
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Hi bellbird and Althea,
This is my 1st post on this forum and came across your posts while trying to kill off some of the distant relatives, I am related on a line back to a Lawrence Akerman sic b 1746 in Bridport, Dorset, England. His brother John Akerman sic is a direct ancestor of both your lines I believe. Have you researched this far back to confirm this?
Regards Paul.
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I don't think so Paul, unfortunately i have lost so many of my records through damage and spread paint done by the big earthquakes and following aftershocks, I see this morning we are well over 10,500. Been a few days since the last 4 magnitude. Also all that was on my computer was lost thanks to it being thrown on the floor and bounced around at least 4 times. Christchurch is certainly not the city we knew, we used to be so shocked at the empty spaces where buildings have been demolished, now mainly oh its just another one. I'm still finding it hard to concentrate and exhaustion on bad days good days still very tired so haven't done much, but have been contacted by a cousin in here in NZ. Anyway I had been given a list (now lost through my art paints soaking it and sticking it together) going back to 1600s which was interesting. The two Ackermans connected to me are Henry, my great Uncle and his sister Jane my great grand mother. They were born in Burton Bradstock when their father had for some reason been asked to leave Bridport, they did return to live there, marry and come out here with families. Henry was not pleased with life here and turned up on Jane's doorstep when husband was crossing the Hutt River in a dingy, threatening to do for her, burn her house down etc. Read the court case on a site Papers Past. There were at least one other lot of Ackermans I think as a court case was in the papers in which a Susan Ackerman appeared, but age meant it wasn't our Susan Ackerma. I think. I hear sounds of breakfast being made so must eat and hopefully feel a little more awake. Bellbird.
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:) Hello Bellbird. Thanks for your pm. As I understand, being new to this site, I cannot send pm's until I have done 3 or more posts.
Yes I am a descendant of Halfyard / Ackerman and Chic Chic is my sister. So, our paternal grandmother was Vera HALFYARD; her parents being Henry and Elizabeth Susan (nee. Ackerman). Elizabeth's parents were Henry Jolliffe and Susan Elizabeth (nee.Taylor) Ackerman.
One of the Ackerman's homes, a small cottage, still exists and has some acreage with it I believe; located on SH2. just north of Carterton in Clareville. A property once occupied by Henry Halfyard and family in Masterton, located at 23 Albert Street, still exists also and is a residential home.
There is a Thompson family tie to Ackerman's here in the Wairarapa, which I haven't looked into the "how" as yet. I just recall my late father mentioning Clive Thompson being a cousin and Clive's sister (her name I can't recall) mentioning to me about them being descended from Ackerman's. This was some time ago, well before I started a nosing into my family history. You have to bear with me, my research is very much in its infancy and a lot of what I have has been gleaned via others and the internet. I have all good intentions of visiting our local archives but there seems to be always other domestic matters requiring attention first.
I can only sympathise with your plight in Christchurch. A few jolts we could get over, but to have the number & magnitude that you have had to endure and still do, is just so hard to imagine and comprehend. I wish you all a speedy recovery from this mayhem.
I may have some info that might help you. I have photos of people, unfortunately unlabelled, but there may be images of Ackerman's amongst them???
All the best, Kind regards, zephyr64
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Hi Zephyr I have two photos or is it had of Henry Ackerman's family, appears to be their golden wedding going by the big cake in front. I said maybe had as so much has disappeared or still in that heap that needs attention, though dried up paint from squashed tubes makes it somewhat difficult. If I find them I'll send copies to your sister to forward onto you. Your sister has my email address. There is a lady in England who I have had contact with who has discovered our Ackermans here in NZ are (we are) related to, share the same number of greats grandfather. Will also look to see if I can find the info she sent over. Has anyone taken a photo of the Ackerman residence i.e. Henry's family? Would love a copy. Bellbird
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It appears there are a number of Ackerman branches Henry is one of mine and a lady in England has found her branch and my branch share the same number of greats in England. They were unaware of Ackermans leaving England so were surprised to learn two did. There is quite alot of info on my site so feel free to use it in your research if you find any of it helps you. Not sure which side of the world you come from, I and two others on my page are kiwis. Bellbird
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Good Morning Bellbird
Been reading through a lot of your posts and believe I am a descendant of the Ackerman family in NZ. My Great grand mother was Charlotte Ackerman and her father was Henrick (Henry) Emil Ackerman. There seems to be a few versions of the family history, does this seem to match yours? I have a photo of Henry's grave and records of their children (9) that I see to have found. If this sounds like the family you are looking for I would love to swap stories and photos.
Maria Moxham
Levin - NZ
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Upon reading later posts it appears I must be from another Ackerman family, although my great great grand parents were Henry & Susannah there is no mention of a daughter Jane. Have Henry as born 1853 in Germany. Susannah was burned to death in a fire at a private hospital and my great grand mother Charlotte was in a institution till her death also so it appears that our family had similar traits to your side. So much information out there, it just take so much time to decipher which is correct.
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Hi Moxie211,
Your Ackerman is a different family to our Henry & Susan Elizabeth Ackerman. I believe Henry Emil & Susannah resided in Wellington whereas ours lived in the Wairarapa after emigrating from England.
Good luck with your research.
Regards John.
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Hi, I have read with interest the various post son the Ackerman's- I am researching some WW1 medals I have in my collection and one is to a William Thomas Ackerman service number 62220, he was the son of Henry Emil and Susan Ackerman, on his WW1 attestation papers he state his father is Danish (?). He was born 12/4/1888 in Christchurch- he was a shop assistant and married to a Dorothy Ackerman nee Clark.
I would appreciate any assistance on this chap, here is a very interesting WW1 story on his service that I am happy to share if anyone is interested.
If anyone would like a copy of a photo of his medal again I am happy to provide that.
Best wishes for 2015,
Regards,
Tony Beard, Christchurch
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Hello Tony
Welcome to RootsChat. :)
I'm not sure what type of assistance you are wanting, but the following (gleaned from a variety of sources), may be of some help.
NZ Birth
1888 / 14959 - ACKERMANN - William Thomas
Parents : Susanna and Henry Emil
[Spelling is as per the NZ BDM online Birth Registration index. Note: Other births this couple also indexed as "ACKERMAN".]
Probable NZ marriage of Parents :
1883 - Henri ACKERMANN - Susan ALLAN [Source: NZSG Marriages CD]
New Zealand Naturalisations
Heinrich Emil ACKERMANN - born about 1852 - aged 36 years
Born: Germany / Occupation: Basketweaver
Resident City: Christchurch
Naturalisation Date: 29 March 1888
File No. 1888/787 - Certificate No: 25 Regn. Page No. 124
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NZ Marriage
William Thomas ACKERMAN - Dorothy Valentine Ion CLARK -- Year : 1917
[Attestation form NZ Army gives marriage date as 28 February 1917 at Christchurch. ]
~ Lu
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William Thomas ACKERMAN ... continued :
The following Divorce file is held at Archives New Zealand, Christchurch office.
ACKERMAN - Dorothy Valentine Ion v. ACKERMAN - William Thomas - Year: 1928
PaperPast - (NZ historical newspapers - online)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
If you use the search term "William Thomas ACKERMAN", you'll find articles in newspapers relating to mainly Court appearances for this person. [Note: In some instances this man's age is given and though it doesn't always equate to a birth year of 1888, my feeling is that it very probably is the W.T. ACKERMAN you are seeking. ]
NZ Death
1928 / 5244 - ACKERMAN - William Thomas - 37 years [bc 1891 ]
Burial at : Porirua Cemetery, Wellington >
ACKERMAN - William - 37 years
Burial on : 29 September 1928
Archives New Zealand, Wellington office also have the following file :
Coroner's Inquest File :
ACKERMAN - William Thomas -- Year: 1928
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William Thomas ACKERMAN - cont'd :
Electoral Rolls
1911 - Gisborne
ACKERMAN - William Thomas - Masonic Hotel - (no occupation listed)
1914 - Manawatu-Wanganui -- Wanganui
ACKERMAN - William Thomas - Metropolitan Hotel - Taupo Quay, - occupation: cook
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William Thomas ACKERMAN - cont'd. [Additional info may be of interest to "Moxie211" ? ]
NZ Deaths
1930 / 6764 - ACKERMAN - Henry Emil - 78 years
[Note: An online tree suggests he died at Palmerston North. ]
Edited to add: Link to burial record >
http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Services/Cemeteries/Cemetery-Search-Results/?record=13484
1914 - ACKERMAN - Susannah - 53 years
[Buried at Karori Cemetery, Wellington on 20 May 1914 ]
Coroner's report (1914) at Archives NZ, Wellington.
PapersPast has details of Susannah's death (various reports) :
"Evening Post" - 20 May 1914 - Fatal Fire
... Died in a fire at a Wellington boarding house ... body of Susannah ACKERMAN identified by her son Henry Joseph ACKERMAN. [ "Dominion" 29 May 1915 - names man who died in fire with her, as George WHITE. ]
[Although the 1914 report states that Susannah was living apart from her husband for seven years, according to the newspapers, Divorce proceedings had been initiated by Henry ACKERMAN in 1909.]
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I am descended from Susannah Ackerman's mother, Ann Allen formerly Goodman nee Nicholls. Ann was my gg-grandmother. She had three Goodman children before marrying Joseph Allen and having a few more children. The youngest was Susannah Allen who married (and divorced) Heinrich (Harry) Emil Ackerman. To my knowledge, Susannah and Harry had 9 children. Great Aunt Susannah was an alcoholic, and worked as a prostitute in Wellington.
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Would be great to make contact with both Bruce and Tony as I am a descendant of Henrich (Henry) Emil Ackerman. Would love to see any photos or information as I add it to my family tree programme as a file and eventually try to make a book but would like lots more information. I have all the dates for Henry and his family but looking to go further up the tree or even further below to find out where we have all ended up. I am in Levin - New Zealand, not far from where Henry was buried (I actually grew up in Shannon so find it quite freaky).
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Hi - I too live in Levin - my email is (*) Perhaps we could meet up and exchange information! In the meantime - here is a link to the Goodman-Ackerman-Allen connection:
http://stagebarn.com/phillip/tree/goodmanbios/goodman/harry1/harrygoodman.html
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Hi, I am very conscious that my reply is over 8 years after Bruce and Moxie 211 posted, but keen to provide what information I have. I have managed to find a photo of William Thomas Ackerman, very happy to share with anyone- it is sadly from the Police Gazette.
best wishes,
Tony Beard
Christchurch, NZ