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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: genuisscuffy on Saturday 12 September 09 18:41 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm really disappointed the person I was researching turns out to be wrong - and as its my Grandfather really annoyed with myself!! :( as now half of my tree is wrong!!!
I got his service papers back and it turns out he was born and married in India - can anyone help me find the details please??
Cyril Arthur Clarke born 18 June 1911 Kirkee Bombay Presidency India
Father English and Mother English so assuming they were in Army/Services??
he married Winifred Ann Smith on 29 April 1939 Bombay
If anyone could also tell me how I find the details to order the birth certs etc - would it have been registered in England??
Many thanks
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Hi
Brittish Overseeas (including military and consular) BMDs are available in GRO indexes as the home ones but are not as easily available. They can be found at the Nat ARchives and some pay to view sites. I know that FindMyPast has them but not sure of the other sites.
Regards
Gadget
Added -when you've found the refs, they can be ordered in the same way as home ones from the GRO but you must specify 'Overseas' on the form
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Hi thanks been looking on Find My Past but no luck at moment!! (trust me to have a family overseas!!!)
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Go to BMDs and then select Overseas Births or Marriages
Put in broad date range and surname.
You then have to go through each index that comes up unless you know that it's military or marine, etc.
PS - make sure you look at the bottom of the pages for inserts. Some of them get very messy
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Thanks for your help - so there is no where it would be listed? or would I have to go to London??
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If it's not on the GRO overseas indexes, I'm not sure where it could be :-\ The Nat Archives listings would just be the indexes that you have access to.
Maybe, they didn't register him or it got missed off. Is the marriage not there either?
Saying that, I don't have some of my ancestors in Malaysia either :(
Gadget
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Ohh its so frustrating - I did who I thought - got birth certs everything and then an ex wife of my uncle said "I swear they married in India"??? and it questioned everything I did so went and ordered the service docs and there it is in black and white!! Really cross with myself - should have check better but the service docs were £30 and trying to save money didnt work in the end!!
Problem is that all my family have since died and got no one left to ask!
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I've double checked and the nearest that I can find for a birth is:
Cyril A Clark (location marked out) 1907 A.S.C.C & T Vol 637 Page 127 GRO Regimental Birth Index 1761-1924
Not having much luck with the marriages.
Gadget
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Thank you for trying but on his service records definately says 18 June 1911 . Ho Hum .... do you think if i told the gro the date and place of birth they would be able to help??
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They can run a check for you - just like the UK certs. I think you pay your £7 and if it's not him, on checking, they'll reimburse you £4.
Eleven and seven can sound very similar.
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Hi Gadget, I went to a Family History Fair and they suggested the British Library - so which would be better the National Archives or the British Library? I think the British Library would be easier to get too (on the train line up to London).
I emailed the British Library and they said that his details are on microfilm N/3/106/26 Birth and N/3/161/36 for the marriage so they must have the information but they charge £18 per cert! I think I will go up and maybe write the information down!!
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who were cyrils parents
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HI COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE CYRIL ARTHURS PARENTS MARRIAGE IN INDIA
Presidency of Marriage Unspecified
Location of Marriage Madras
Marriage Year 1906 - 1911
Husband First Names Cyril H.
Husband Surname Clarke
Wife First Names Violet M.
Wife Surname Burrows
Prefix N/11
Volume Number 11
Folio 1751
LDS Film Reference 498604
IOR Reference Z/N/11/11
ROSE
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Hi Rose ,
that's what I was thinking ;D
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Hi Gadget, I went to a Family History Fair and they suggested the British Library - so which would be better the National Archives or the British Library? I think the British Library would be easier to get too (on the train line up to London).
I emailed the British Library and they said that his details are on microfilm N/3/106/26 Birth and N/3/161/36 for the marriage so they must have the information but they charge £18 per cert! I think I will go up and maybe write the information down!!
That seems a very sensible idea if you are fairly close to London :)
Gadget
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Thanks for your comments but I darent go any further until I can check for certain I've got the right people!!
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Hi I went to London and this is what I found:-
Cyril Arthur CLARKE born 8 Jun 1911
Bapt. 12 Jul 1911
Father Frank CLARKE
Mother Helen Edith
Born Kirkee Trade of Father Engineer.
Marriage record
29 Apr 1939 St Thomas Cathedral Bombay
Cyril Arthur CLARKE (30) and Winifred Annie SMITH (34)
Occupation Press Manager (Cyril) Bombay Residencey
Father Frank Clarke (Cyril)
Father Robert Flower Smith (dec.) (Winifred)
Banns
Witness May Howlden, Alfred Edward Bryant, Donald Smith (her brother)
Ceremony performed by Senior Presidency chaplain.
If anyone can help I would be very grateful. Looked on LDS and Free BMD but cant find either a Frank Clarke or Robert Flower Smith
Whilst there I did check to see if they were born in India but couldnt see them!! Thanks
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Try the FIBIS site http://www.fibis.org/# there might be something there,
jane
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Hi Jane, have tried there but no luck - I'm just really confused as to where I go now - I have names but where to find out where they come from???? Any ideas??
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Hi, a general google search revealed Robert Flower Smith in this thread . He is of interest to me as he is the son of Robert Clive Smith and grandson of an earlier Robert Flower Smith .. Robert Clive Smith was a mariner born London 31 Dec 1825, and married Caroline Darvel in Bombay 1856, and had Frances Mary Anne in 1858, Emily in 1860 and Robert Flower Smith in 1863. Robert Clive Smith and Caroline and Emily are all buried in Sewree cemetary Bombay .
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Ohh hello!! didnt think I would find anything else out!! Will pm you my email thanks
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Elizgh won't be able to receive or send a PM till she's made 3 posts.
Post a couple more times here Eliz and you're away ;D
Carol
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This is my family
Please tell me how to respond to these messages as they are all related to my family.
I am the great grand daughter of Robert Flower Smith's sister Frances who married Edward Roberts I have all the details you need having been researching them for 45 years now.
Carol!
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Hello Carol I think you contacted me on Genes too - if you want to reply here you have to post a couple more times and then I can send a message to you. :)
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Hi Genuisscuffy
I would love to explore our connections more. Don't know your Genuki name.
Carol!
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One more time with feeling.
Hi there Genuisscuffy.
Talk to me
Carol!
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Hi just wanted to say thanks to Carol and Elizabeth both have been a great help with lots of new names and info. thanks :)
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Has everyone got what they need on this family. I have a huge file as Robert Clive and Caroline Smith were the parents of my great grandmother Frances Smith. There were seven children.
Robert Clive's father, Robert Flower senior, was an apothecary/surgeon in London etc.
I cannot trace Caroline's family. My family said she was Australian but I found Caroline Darvel born in Heston, London and working in service in the 1851 census?