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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: margmasson on Saturday 12 September 09 05:56 BST (UK)
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Hello All.
I am wondering if anyone can help me, please. My gggrandparents were Henry(Harry) Amey and Mary Ann Scott. They married Dorset abt1847 and had three children: James Scott abt1848 Mary abt1850 Emma 1851(she is new born baby in 1851 census) Mary died sometime mid /late 1850's Henry married Margretta Lush and migrated to Australia with new wife and 3 children of first marriage. I know about Henry but am trying to find out about Mary(nee Scot) When did she marry Henry ? Where when was she born. Who were her parents? What siblings did she have? I am hoping someone may know of this family. I know it's a long shot but am keeping my fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!
Regards
Marg.
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Hi,
Found this on FreeBMD but the marriage was in Wiltshire:
Harry Amey MarQ 1846 Alderbury 8 363
Possible bride: Mary Ann Scott
If this is the right couple then a copy of the certificate should show the name and occupation of Mary's father which might help you to find the family in 1841.
Nanny Jan
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The 1851 census you mention states she was born in Wimborne Dorset - there is an older Mary Scott (c1797) a Visitor, also born Wimborne - mother ? Helping with the newborn ?
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Thanks Nanny Jan
I don't think Mary and Henry would have married in Wiltshire. But who knows? Henry was born in Hampshire But seems to have been in Dorset for some time. There seem to be plenty of Ameys in Dorset!!!
Thanks for your help Nanny Jan,
Marg
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Hello Past Master,
I don't know who Mary Scott is. Could be mother Aunt or no relation at all. Family legend says when Henry decided to come to Australia, Marys parents wanted the children to stay with them. I often wonder if they might have been their only grandchildren. It must have been hard to farewell loved ones almost certainly for ever. They probably worried over what could happen to young children on the long voyage to Australia. Rightly so,too.!
Thanks for your help. I am still keeping my fingers crossed.
Regards
Marg.
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Hi,
A search on FreeBMD for an Amey/Scott marriage gives just that one in Alderbury; which covers the Salisbury area.
If they married in Dorset then either the marriage record has been lost/mistranscribed or perhaps they never married.
Where did you find the information about them marrying in Dorset?
Nanny Jan
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Nanny Jan, you have really got me thinking now! I am pretty sure I have Marys death: Mary Ann Amey died1855 Jul-SeptQ Dorchester (vol 58 p 208) I also found a Christening on IGA for Mary Ann Scott 29 july 1827. Wimborne Minster Parents James Scott & Mary. 1851 Census has Mary age 23 born Wimborne. Would death cert tell me where they married?
Thank you taking the time to help me.
Marg.
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1841 - HO107/288/Book 9; Parish of Edmondsham, within Wimborne District; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 8; Page: 9
Edmondsham Street, next Rectory
all born in County
James Scott 40 Farmer
Mary Scott 40
Elizabeth Scott 16
Mary Scott 12
Georgeina Scott 8
Sarah Scott 11 Mo
get that marriage Cert conditional on Fathers name being James :)
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Hi,
English death certs give no information about marriages. It will show where and when the person died, their age, occupation (if a women it is usually wife/widow of.........), the cause of death, name and address of the informant, and when the death was registered.
However the information is only as good as the informant's knowledge of that person!
Nanny Jan
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Passed Master, that is very interesting. All Mary & Henrys children were born at Edmondsham. They named their son James Scott Amey, perhaps in honor of his maternal grandad. I think we are on to something here. Thanks to all the help from you and all the other wonderful Rootschat People. Do you suggest I get the cert. mentioned by Nanny Jan?
Thanks so much. Marg.
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Thanks Nanny Jan,
Looks like death cert won't be much help to me. What info do I need to supply for marriage/ birth cert. Index no. for eg.? What about that Christening I found on IGI. If I went to the local LDS church and looked that up, is it likely to give me fathers occupation? (if it is "my Mary")
Thank you for taking the time to help me. Fingers still crossed!!
regards
Marg :(
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Hi Marg,
If you think the marriage might be your couple you will need the details I gave in reply #1 and stipulate that the bride's father is James; there is a section to complete regarding checks.
I've never looked at IGI records at the LDS so I'm not sure how much detail you will find.
Good luck!
Nanny Jan
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Thanks again, Nanny Jan,
I will have to think about that cert. Can I ask a dumb question? Why would they marry in Alderbury if they lived in Dorset? Is this far from Wimborne where Mary at least was born? Perhaps they eloped!!!! Poor Mary, she died so young. Only about 28 if the details I have are correct. Best wishes.
Marg.
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Hi Marg,
Edmonsham (1841 census) is in the district of Wimborne, which covered a much larger area than "Wimborne" does today. Edmonsham is close to Wimborne St. Giles, a small village and about 10 miles north-east from Wimborne Minster, a much larger place. I live in this area. ;)
If you look at the registration details on FreeBMD there is a facility to "click" on to the registration district which lists all the places that it includes.
The Alderbury registration district covers a large rural area in south Wiltshire near to both the Dorset and Hampshire borders.
Perhaps Mary was in service and away from home; it would be useful to see if her family could be found on 1851 census.
If you send for the marriage certificate, stipulating that the bride's father is James, and the records do not match, then you get a partial refund.
Nanny Jan
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Hello Nanny Jan & All,
Found in 1851 cenus, Pentridge:SCOTT
James 55 farmer b Wimborne,
Mary wife 53 bWimborne
Georgina 18 daughter b Holt
Mary Scott 81 motherbHinton Parva
Mary is missing. (married by then) Elizabeth not there probably married and baby Sarah is missing.
Another of my dumb questions: if the older Mary, with Mary, Henry & family (1851 census) is Mary's mother, is it likely she would be also included with her husband etc? ???
Marg,
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Hi,
The census only shows who was in the house on one particular night.
Pentridge is not far from the Dorset/Wiltshire border so perhaps Mary had moved into the next county for work. :-\
Nanny Jan
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I thought as much, Nanny Jan. That leaves me with two possibilities.
The older Mary Scott in the 1851 census is not the mother of the younger Mary, or the family I thought (hoped) were Mary's family are not hers at all.
Many thanks
Marg.
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Hello All,
Just want to let you know I got the marriage cert. for Harry & Mary. they married in The Primative Methodist Chapel , Fisherton Anger (?) Wilts. Brides father James Scott, Yoeman. Groom age 22 a shoemaker. Bride 18 no occupation given. Both signed the cert. Both witnesses signed with a "x"
Just want to say thank you for your help.
Marg.
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Regarding the above marriage. The bride was aged 18 .Would she have needed her fathers permission to marry?
Regards
Marg.
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Thanks to all the help fron Rootschatters I located the marriage for Harry Amey/Mary Ann Scott. Now I want to find Mary Anns family. Her parents James Scott& Mary?. Anybody got any tips, hints.......anything?
Regards
Marg.
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Not this family then ? Marys age is pretty good to match her being 18 at marriage ?
1841 - HO107/288/Book 9; Parish of Edmondsham, within Wimborne District; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 8; Page: 9
Edmondsham Street, next Rectory
all born in County
James Scott 40 Farmer
Mary Scott 40
Elizabeth Scott 16
Mary Scott 12
Georgeina Scott 8
Sarah Scott 11 Mo
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Hello Passed Master, I am pretty sure (99.9%) this is Mary and her family. I would like to find out about her parents. Where/when they married, mothers maiden name etc. I am not sure where to go next!!! There is a marriage (1821) James Scott of Kingston Corfe & Mary Ann Clapcutt, which looks promising. The marriage was at Swanage. I found a Mary Ann CLAPCOTT witnessing another marriage in Swanage just prior to that, so she must have lived there.But..............
Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I really do appreciate it
Marg
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1851 Census :
Address: 17 West Worth, Edmonsham, Dorset
Harrey (sic) Amey, Head, (26) (ie 1824-25) Ag. Lab. b. Sandford Hants.
Mary Ann Amey nee Scott; Wife, (23) b. Wimborne.
James Scottt Amey; Son (4) b. Edmondsham
Mary Amey; Daughter (2) b. Edmondsham
Unnamed (Emma) daughter Infant (2 Days) b. Edmondsham
Mary Scott; Visitor (Mother in Law) (54). b. Wimborne
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*Witnesses at the marriage of Henry Amey and Mary Ann Scott:
Charles Amey and Eliza Amey m. Ambrose Shearing
[the brother and sister of Harry]
Pic: Harry/Henry Amey in Gippsland Australia
on the Beet Plough that he invented
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Judyb44,
Thanks so much for that. I was thrown by Mary Scott (snr) being on the Census with Harry,Mary and family, as I had her with her husband and family. Its quite normal that she would be with her daughter to help with the new baby and other children. I have Mary & Harrys marriage cert. I guessed Charles was his brother. Thought the other one was Eliza Shewring. I have been trying to follow up the family of Mary Ann. Found a marriage for James Scott/ Mary Mitchell in Wimborne Minster, which looks a possability, so plan to follow it up when I get a chance
Marg