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My ancestors brother Robert Dunn of Ballarat was mentioned as an executor of my ancestors will in 1865. All I know is Robert Dunn was from Ireland came out to Australia in 1841 with his brothers, his parents were William Dunn and Catherine Millar they lived at Ardground, Derry, Ireland and were farmers. Robert Dunn would probably be born in Derry in 1820s. Him living in Ballarat in 1865 is the last mention I have of him. Can anyone identify this Robert Dunn of Ballarat in any other record or look up his death or find out if he possibly married? Any help to trace his possible descendants appreciated.
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In the Vic Pioneers Index, there is a Robert Dunn death in 1871 (Reg no. 2019) aged 50, born TYRO but lists parents as unknown. I looked in the Federation and Edwardian indexes up to 1913 but neither list any deaths for a Robert Dunn with the parents you have listed.
Also in the pioneers index are children born to a Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinley, all born at Ballarat. There is Margaret (1857), Catherine (1858), Lilias (1861), John (1863), William (1867) and Mary (1870). I cannot find a marriage between these two, so they may not be related to the Robert Dunn you are searching for, but just in case I have given you the info.
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Whoever gave details Robert Dunn's death in !871 in Victoria, must have known he came from County Tyrone in Ireland, but didn't know the parents names. So it is hard to recommended you buying this certificate but it will have his last place of resident on it.
you can purchase and dowload the certificate on line at
Registry of BMD Victoria
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
these links will tell you what you will find on the death certificate
· Details on ALL Certificates for Victoria
· http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
· http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Jenn
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Thanks for checking this, the Robert Dunn death in 1871 (Reg no. 2019) aged 50 would mean born 1821 so perfect fit in age but as you say wrong parents.
I feel Robert Dunn of Ballarat alive 1865 must be William Dunn's died 1865 brother. Why else would he name him executor? So both would have to have parents William Dunn and Catherine Millar of Ardground.
Interesting don't you think that the other Robert and Catherine you found named one of their sons William Dunn b 1867. John Dunn was also used in the family in fact William and Catherine had a son named John Dunn to. The Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinley are certainly in the right area. To bad no wedding cert or that would certainly prove if he was the right Robert. How about a testament for Robert?
What about Ballarat Cemetery would there be a grave for Robert? Where else can the proof be found for the connection to the Ireland William & Catherine?
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but as you say wrong parents.
I cannot see where that was said,
Robert Dunn death in 1871 (Reg no. 2019) aged 50, born TYRO but lists parents as unknown
means that the informant did not know his parents names
cheers Jenn
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I think the Tyrone is the wrong Robert Dunn d1871, he must be born in Ardground, Lower Cumber, Londonderry. I want to be sure before buying the cert on line.
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I now am sure this is the correct family for Robert Dunn of Ballarat alive 1865:
[Also in the pioneers index are children born to a Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinley, all born at Ballarat. There is Margaret (1857), Catherine (1858), Lilias (1861), John (1863), William (1867) and Mary (1870). I cannot find a marriage between these two, so they may not be related to the Robert Dunn you are searching for, but just in case I have given you the info.]
From the 1865 Testament I have the signature of Robert Dunn.
I found a death of Robert Dunn at Ballarat of 14 Jan 1897 he left his wife Catherine everything and a witness was Margaret Dunn a spinster, their daughter no doubt. The signatures look to be 95% the same for Robert Dunn.
Can anyone check the Ballarat Cemetery for a grave inscription?
Can anyone confirm the name of Robert Dunn's parents from any official source?
Can anyone extend the childrens families of the above couple Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinley?
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DUNN Robt died in 1897 at Ballarat East aged 66 reg no 333
father Robert Dunn mother Margaret REEDY
If the informants information was correct this would have his birth year as 1831c
Jenn
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This is the information I can find in the indexes (hope it helps) -
Lilias married George Trebble 1897 (reg # 5256)
daughter Mary b 1899 (reg # 17450) at Clifton Hill
Lilias died 1943 (reg # 15251) at Ballarat aged 83
The John and William marriages below are selected based on them being born in Ballarat.
John m Elizabeth Frances Emslie 1891 (reg # 545)
William m Catherine Grainger 1889 (reg # 3399)
daughter Isabel b 1890 (reg # 19471) at Ballarat East
son William b 1892 (reg # 773) at Ballarat East
William (b 1867) died 1926 (reg # 12549) at Ballarat East aged 59
Mary m Donald Ferguson Shaw (not in Victoria)
son Donald Hector b 1902 (not in Victoria) died 1917 (reg # 6319) at Prahan, Melbourne aged 15
daughter Doris May b 1906 (reg # 29511) at Richmond
Mary died 1945 (reg # 6609) at Thornbury, Melbourne aged 75
Donald Ferguson, Donald Hector and Mary are buried in the Coburg Cemetery
Kate Dunn (f Robert / m Catherine Mckinley) died 1938 (reg # 17683) at Beechworth aged 72 - this could be Catherine Dunn with the incorrect age
Margaret Dunn died 1937 (reg # 9300) at Melbourne aged 81
Janet Vippond (f Robert / m Catherine Mckinley) died 1920 (reg # 6851) - have not found a birth or marriage record for Janet
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I would like to see some information from certificates, but as you say the signatures of Robert Dunn on the Will/Probate docuents appear to be the same.
Marriage
DUNN Janet born Ballarat
VIPPOND Richard William born Cape Town
1877 Reg#4496
Births
VIPPOND Janet Elizabeth
Father Richard William Mother Janet DUNN
At Ballarat 1878 Reg#20505
VIPPOND Ellen Margaret
Father Richard Mother Janet DUNN
At Ballarat 1880 Reg#13340
VIPPOND Catherine Maud
Father Richard William Mother Janet DUNN
At Richmond 1882 Reg#25161
VIPPOND Ernest Richard
Father Richard William Mother Janet DUNN
At Richmond 1892 Reg# 6281
Death
VIPPOND Richard William
Father Vippond Richd Mother Elizabeth BARNARD
At Richmond 83 years 1939 Reg#722
The VIPPOND family lived at 119 Somerset Road, Richmond during the period 1900-1936. Richard William was a jeweller.
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Richard Vippond aged 83 are located at Coburg Cemetery PRESBYTERIAN: Compartment: D Grave No: 526. and buried in this location -
VIPPOND Ellen Margaret Service date 20 May1946
VIPPOND Richard Service date 14 May 1920*
VIPPOND Richard Service date 28 Jan 1939
* I can find no death for a Richard in 1920 - ? Transcription error from burial register. Could this be Janet who died in 1920. You could enquire at Fawkner.
Cando
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Hi
Robert DUNNE at BALLARAT Old Cemetery.
Buried 16/11/1897. Of JosephStreet Ballarat. Carpenter.Aged 66.
Area CCN. Sect. !B. Loc. 3
Catherine DUNNE. BALLARAT Old Cemetery.
Buried 9/3/1908. Of 99 Eureka St. Ballarat. Widow . Aged 81
Area CCN. Sect. 1B Loc. 3
I Checked VIPPOND for interest and found these who may be of relevance some time. Only ones there
Ballarat New Cemetery
VIPOND (sic) Mrs Mary
Buried 26/9/1897 Aged 56 yrs. Loc.Private Block B
Ballarat New Cemetery.
VIPOND, Thomas
Buried 1908. Aged 75 yrs
Private Black B
MI reads.
Mary Vipond died 26/Sept. 1897 aged 56 years. Also Thomas beloved husband of the above d. in England 1908 aged 75.
Another man names Brawn is in the same location.
Sue
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There is your family of VIPPOND and quite a number of VIPOND'S. Seems to be two or more different families. The spelling with the two p's is consistent in your family's entries on the indexes.
Cando
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Hi Again,
Different "search style" shows... ???
At BALLARAT New Cemetery.
VIPPOND, Elizabeth, loc. Cof E B-4 Buried 14/5/1880. Aged 52. Occ., Wife.
VIPPOND, Richard, Loc. C of E. B-4 Burie 24/9/1880. Aged 49. Occ. Jeweller.
Sue
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Would be Richard William's parents....
Death......reply#9
VIPPOND Richard William
Father Vippond Richd Mother Elizabeth BARNARD
At Richmond 83 years 1939 Reg#722
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Would be Richard William's parents....Cando
Sorry, should have said that's what I meant by the posting.
I must work harder so you don't need to rely your mind-reading skills so much!
Sue
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Hi dunvr
The two signatures you have accepted as being from the same Robert DUNN are not the same I suggest you download, enlarge and compare. I should have done this myself before searching the family further :-[ :-X.
As Jenn pointed out, the Robert DUNN who died in 1897 was born 1831 and the parents' names don't match.
DUNN Robt died in 1897 at Ballarat East aged 66 reg no 333
father Robert Dunn mother Margaret REEDY
Jenn
My ancestors brother Robert Dunn of Ballarat was mentioned as an executor of my ancestors will in 1865. All I know is Robert Dunn was from Ireland came out to Australia in 1841 with his brothers, his parents were William Dunn and Catherine Millar they lived at Ardground, Derry, Ireland and were farmers. Robert Dunn would probably be born in Derry in 1820s.
I feel Robert Dunn of Ballarat alive 1865 must be William Dunn's died 1865 brother. Why else would he name him executor? So both would have to have parents William Dunn and Catherine Millar of Ardground.
Nowhere does it actually state that Robert is his brother.
Have you considered the 1871 death detailed in reply- there was an inquest into this death. Co Tyrone and Co Londonderry adjoin. Wonder who was the informant and bearing in mind that information on death certificates is only as good as the knowledge of the informant.
Have another search on the Wills Index.
Inquest -
DUNN Robert
Place Geelong
1871 Ref#6
Cause Fall From wagon
This is not good family history research - too many assumptions. You need to purchase a certificate or two.
Good luck.
Cando
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Amazing findings on the Vipponds.
I too am searching the Vipponds and would like help clarifying a few things.
Was:
Richard Vippond married to Elizabeth Barnett or Barnard, I have found two conflicting records.
Did they have a daughter Catherine Webster Vippond born in Cape Town South Africa? How can I find all the children of Richard & Elizabeth?
Was the above Richards father Richard Vippond from Cork? If so how was the daughter born in Cape Town?
I have marriage certificate for Catherine Vippond:
Catherine Webster Vippond married Alfred George Smith at Church of All Saints Sandhurst Vic on 11th April 1861
Or was Catherine the fathers Sister?????? I might be a generation out.
Catherine's father could be Richard Vippond who married Ann Bridgett??
Would love some help and clarification
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Found it!
Catherine Webster Vippond daughter of Richard Vippond and Ann Bridges
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Hi,
I'm well aware that I'm about 6 year's behind on this conversation, but just wanted to advise that Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinlay were ancestors of mine and that they were definitely Scottish, not Irish. They were married in Scotland in 1849, prior to emigrating to Australia. They also had another son, also called Robert, who I am unable to find a birth record for but I know definitely existed as I am his descendant. I do know that Robert and Catherine were his parents as I have a photo of Catherine.
I also wanted to thank those that provided details of that family of Dunn's as it helped me piece together the family I wasn't aware of before.
Thanks so much!
I am now going to be looking closer at the Vippond connection, now I know that the Dunn's mentioned in the comments are my family. Again, thank you
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Hello,
I have done some more research and have discovered that the Janet Dunn that married Richard William Vippond was absolutely the daughter of Robert Dunn and Catherine McKinlay.
This explains the Vippond name popping up in old family letters. I may also be able to produce some old photo's. I definitely have a photo of Catherine McKinlay, and I have an old album from around 1900 that I am trying to identify people in.
If anyone who has commented previously is interested in possibly helping with that, please let me know.
Shauna
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I live in Ballarat & am happy to take headstone photo's if required.
Dee :D