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I am looking for any information regarding my family in Ulster before 1893(the year my grandfather, Robert Moon, was born in Coleraine). I know his father was James Moon , a carpenter, born in Ardkill, Glendermot in 1867. James' father was John Moon who was working as a gardener in 1867. The family were Congregationist church goers. Hoping someone has some additional tidbit that will help me get through that 1867 barrier. Thank you!
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Previous topics here:
Moon family in Ardkill (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,194460.msg1890876.html#msg1890876)
Ardkill, Glendermott (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,195188.msg996910.html#msg996910)
Moon-Sherrard marriage (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322981.msg2037748.html#msg2037748)
1911 census for Ireland is now online- have you looked at it yet?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Thank You for responding. Yes - I have seen the long awaited 1911 census pages. A wonderful resource for everyone. My particular area of interest at the moment, as pertains to my family history, is before 1867. I just can't tie any more Moon's to my group until I can shine some light on this time period. The other John Moon and his family( the aghadowey and garvagh clan) obviously complicate things a bit. The really great thing about this site is that more people come onto it every day and bring new questions and answers for us to ponder. One thing leads to another and you never know, the brickwall might come tumbling down.
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Hi
My children's GGrandmother was Minnie Moon married to Samuel George Gamble 27/10/1926 at Castlerock Pres. I believe Minnie orginally from the Garvagh area.
Maggie
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My children's GGrandmother was Minnie Moon married to Samuel George Gamble 27/10/1926 at Castlerock Pres. I believe Minnie orginally from the Garvagh area.
There were 2 Minnie Moons around the same age in Lisnagroat townland (near Kilrea) in the 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tamlaght/Lisnagroat/592499/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tamlaght/Lisnagroat/592500/
In Garvagh itself, a bit earlier, was John Moon, spirit merchant- John died 1881 aged 42 years, wife Catherine died 1878 age 36. Known children- Joseph (c1871), Margaret Ann (d.1873 aged 3 months), Eliza Jane (1874-1875).
Minnie if often a nickname for Mary. Any idea of who Minnie's parents were? (father's name and occupation should appear on marriage certificate)
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Thanks for responding. If we bring as many people with Moon family connections as possible into the fray I feel confident some of the Moon's in my orbit will appear. My Great Grandfather James and his wife Elizabeth McNeill had 11 children starting in 1893. There has to be someone out there with a connection. I just have to find that "quiet street where the old ghosts meet." Forgive me Mr. Kavanagh.
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Think your Father and my Grandfather (James) must have been brothers......
My father James Moon born 1933 died earlier this year born in Coleraine, his father James Moon born in Coleraine 1896 died 1972 - both carpenters......
I know Dad had Uncle living in Canada as he mentioned they sent food parcels through the last war - and very welcome they were by all accounts.
Sorry The Moon side of the family bit of a dark horse, but my Aunt still living in Scotland.
The Elizabeth McNeill part of your (our) background rings true, as my other Aunt adopted the name Mc Neill after her divorce a few years ago and Dad did mention sometime that it was a past Grandmother's maiden name.
I was born in England and living in South of England these last 20-odd years but still visit Portrush (just up the road from Coleraine) a few times a year - was last there three weeks ago.
I've got copy of Grandfather Moon's birth Certificate and marriage Certificate somewhere and will check his birthday etc., but he married a Jenny Graham - sorry can't remember the dates at present but as I say will dig out the Certificates and can copy if you interested?
Best Wishes
Jim Moon
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Hello Jim
Your Grandfather James Moon was my Grandfather's brother. Robert McNeill Moon was my Grandfather(b.1893). He left Ireland in 1927 and came to Ontario, Canada. He passed away in 1967. I would very much like to talk with you further. Please let me know via personal message if that is alright with you.
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Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
Should also have added that new members usually need to make 3 posts before using PM system.
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No prob's I'm new to this www site and will have look at PM this morning, maybe have to post a few "standard" e-mails as the Moderator sez before can access PM.
Few more thoughts, my Grandfather had six children:
James, Margaret, Christina, Graham, Elizabeth and Geoffrey - Geoffrey died at a few months old and his Mother Jenny about a year later. The others apart from Dad are still around. Margaret in Scotland, Christina & Elizabeth not far from Coleraine and Graham moved to Queensland to retire after about thirty years in Australian Army with home in Sydney.
These are the only Moon's I know, although there was one of Grandads brothers (Think was called Hugh??) who's second wife died only this year - my Mother knows of them through friends of freinds of the Walking Club, but haven't met.
There's the Graham side of the family from Portrush and again in early March this year the last of Grandmothers "age group" passed away at 90 and apart from her Daughter there's no Graham's left in Portrush - same as Moon's in Coleraine apart from one who commutes there.
ATVB
Jim
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One other bit I meant to add, you say your Grandfather came to Canada in 1927, well don't know if you aware but my Grandfather came to Canada in "Late 1920's" for a few years - he worked as carpenter on Canadian Pacific Railroads according to Dad. He returned to Coleraine in about 1930 or 1931, so don't know if the two brothers went out to Canada together?
As I say "Grandad Moon" as we called him, died in 1972 in Ballymoney and is buried in Coleraine Cemetry - but have to admit I haven't visited in years, Mum & Dad normally went up twice a year - until this year anyway.
ATVB
Jim
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Jim,
For your information, if you don't already know.
Your grandfather, Jim's, army service record is available on Ancestry Uk. In the pensions section.
He served with the 10th Inniskillings, being an original member, volunteering in September 1914.
Unfortunately [or more probably fortunately] he had a recurring problem with his leg that caused him to be held back from going to France with the battalion, but he was eventually sent out in Autumn 1916, but had further problems and was sent home and discharged.
I have him on a database for the 10th Inniskillings.
The history of this unit came out last year, it is a very good read.
There will be a picture of 'C' company that he would have belonged too and although of good quality may be too difficult to pick him out. He should be in this photograpgh.
For general 'Moon' info there was an Officer in this battalion, William John Kidd Moon from Aghadowey.
Rob
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Thak you to Aghadowey for bending the P.M. rules a bit for us. And to Rob for providing info. regarding James Moon's military service. I knew that James had come to Canada in 1921 from passenger lists. The rest of your info. is new to me regarding his employment etc. I have sent a personal message to you Jim, and look forward to your reply. At long last a tiny hole in the "brick wall".
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Sorry, but haven't bent any rules for you. Usually need 3 posts to use PM system but sometimes you can receive 1 PM before that I think.
Capt. William John Kidd Moon (13 Jan.1888 Fairmount, Aghadowey-20 July 1948) was the son of James Thomas Moon (superintendent Ballydevitt Bleach Works) and his wife Rebecca Kidd Millar, of Ballydevitt. This Moon family originally from Lisnamuck and no connection to your Moons.
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Thanks for that Rob, yes remember my Dad saying something about Granddad being kept "Home Service" due to some re-occuring illness. Funnily enough he eneded up in Dublin during Easter 1916 due to the sickness and saw quite a bit of action on the streets of Dublin with the uprising. Dad mentioned once that Grandad had two hand grenades (explosive and fuses removed) which he used to take apart and put back together - ex-Dublin Uprising grenades and that during the uprising one of the soldiers still had grenade in his hand after patrol but had trown away the pin, to which the sergent took a panel pin from a broken window and replaced it in the grenade. His service over in France was only three months I think, but think he got more kudos of being in Dublin during Easter 1916....
Now what became of the deactivated grenades I've no idea.
Again thanks & ATVB As Always,
Jim Moon
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Looking for information on my grandfather John Caldwell Clements and his connection to the Moon family. The only info I have is that James Moon was listed as his cousin on the ships (S.S. Camaronia) manifest when he visited in October of 1922. My grandfather listed Main street Clogher, Tyrone County as his last permanent residence in Ireland and his residence in the U.S. was Gutenberg, New Jersey. the James Moon he visited was listed as Eskernabrogue, Clogher, Tyrone County. Any info is appreciated as I cannot trace the Clements back to Tyrone and there seems to be more info on the Moons in this area. I have also have identified connections with the Cauley's in Ballinrees, Macosquin
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Capt. William John Kidd Moon (13 Jan.1888 Fairmount, Aghadowey-20 July 1948) was the son of James Thomas Moon (superintendent Ballydevitt Bleach Works) and his wife Rebecca Kidd Millar, of Ballydevitt. This Moon family originally from Lisnamuck and no connection to your Moons.
Hello all,
I was interested to find this string. I am looking for the ancestry of the Moons of Ballydevitt, Aghivey, Co. Londonderry. I believe James Thomas Moon (b. abt. 1855, d. 1934) or his wife Rebecca Kidd Miller (Millar?) to be distant relatives. If anyone knows about this family or would like to connect, please contact me.
I have been searching for the parents of my gggg grandfather Dr. Archibald Doughery for years. He was born in abt. 1815, possibly Co. Londonderry. He was a surgeon in Garvagh, Co. Londonderry in the 1840s. He married in 1844, in Garvagh, Co. Londonderry, my gggg grandmother Matilda "Martha" Brown, daughter of Rev. James Brown, who was minister of First Presbyterian Church of Garvagh for many years. They married at the Brown's home. I can't find a record of the marriage other than a newspaper announcement.
Archibald and Martha Brown Dougherty had two sons, in late 1844 and 1846. Their son John Bones Dougherty is my ggg grandfather. John's daughter Mary Bones Dougherty m. Mell is my gg grandmother. In 1927 after her father John died, Mary Bones Dougherty Mell wrote to her uncle, James Brown Dougherty, back in Ireland, asking about her heritage on the Dougherty side. James had stayed back in Ireland, became a Presbyterian minister, a professor, and later MP. James replied to his niece, my gg grandmother Mary, that his grandfather, Archibald's father, was a rector in Magilligan, and that his ancestors before that, O'Dougherty, were from Co. Donegal. He said the only relatives left, so far as he knew, "...are two second cousins named MOON. One of them is a well-to-do gentleman residing at Ballydevitt, and formally connected with the linen business of (WS?) Adams. A great friend, as you may have heard, of Uncle Bones (see below for more on John Bones*)...His brother is a solicitor in Coleraine. A member of a highly respectable firm which my son Gerald (note: son Gerald was an attorney) may know..." James also mentions that Archibald was, he thinks, an only son and that he had three sisters, at least. The sisters were all dead by 1927.
Here is a link to Archibald - I've been tracking his life through letters and newspaper articles but my trail runs out at his parents. But Archibald left a trove of recommendation letters from his job search which I have been trying to document, in order to figure out his connections and his parents. Many of these letters are in the pictures section below:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/152635374/person/342028105319/facts
In looking into the Moon family, James Thomas Moon (c.1855-1834) has three sons, and it appears that his sons fit these descriptions perhaps.
James Thomas Moon (1886-?) was an attorney
Daniel Christopher Stuart Patterson "Christopher" Moon (1890-1921) was possibly a solicitor / attorney (listed in 1911 census as Solicitor's Apprentice)
William John Kidd Moon (1888-1848) was in the linen trade
I am trying to link the Moons/Millers to the Dougherty family. I would like to share tree and any other information you may have about Aghadowey / Ballydevitt / Donegal with relation to Dougherty / McSparran (possibly Archibald's mother's surname but my dna does not reflect this surname), Speer, or anything else related! I do match many, many Doherty / O'Doherty / Docherty / O'Docharteigh cousins but none which I have placed in Magilligan, or Doughertys with three daughters, etc.
I would like to connect with anyone who can give me some clues as to Moons / Milllers / Doughertys in Magilligan (and trees), a Dougherty who was a Rector in Magilligan (I think this could mean a Church of Ireland rector?); what churches are in Magilligan during the 1805-1825 period for Church of Ireland, or Presbyterian, congregants which I might research; I had a note from somewhere that Archibald's mother could be a McSparran but the dna does not point to this - Were McSparrons or McSparrons in Magilligan or Donegal that could link us to them; or anything else that you think could be of use in documenting these family members.
My father has posted DNA in several places as well as GEDMatch, and I can share those details with you if you contact me as well.
Many thanks!
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Just came across your post this now but my husband and I were just talking about Christopher Moon yesterday.
The Moons did live in Ballydevitt in Aghadowey Parish (not Agivey) but earlier were in nearby Lisnamuck townland.
James Thomas Moon was the son of Archibald Moon (c1816-1866) & Mary Thomas. Archobald Moon was the son of Daniel Moon (c1783-9 Nov.1849) of Lisnamuck.
James Thomas Moon's wife was Rebecca Kidd Millar- they married in Philadelphia but she was from Co. Londonderry (I think Ardverness outside Coleraine).
James Thomas Moon had the 3 sons you mention (James Thomas, William John Kidd, Daniel Christopher Stewart Patterson) as well as 2 daughter who never married & died in the 1970s (Mary Ethel, Gladys Helen)
There certain was some sort of connection to McSparrons (either by blood, marriage of friendship) as Archibald Moon named one of his sons Daniel McSparron (eldest son Daniel died young and I haven't seen a middle name for him).
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StaciaSmith- you probably have quite a bit of information on the Doughertys but I do have information on him including a writeup & photos of Gold Medal Prize from Queens that he was awarded in 1865 (it came up for sale a few years ago) if you are interested.
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Aghadowey,
I would love the information about the Dougherty family! I may have to do a few more posts before you can message me.
Do you have the children of Daniel Moon, or of Archibald Moon, or any McSparron information? Do you have a public tree, or know of any good public trees with this information, or of records / sources? I will do some more digging in British Newspaper Archives to see if I can find anything there as well.
Wondering if Daniel Moon's wife was a McSparron. That would create the link - if Archibald Dougherty was son of a Dougherty and his wife was a Moon, daughter of a McSparron, or perhaps Mrs. Daniel Moon aka born McSparron, it'd make Archibald's sons about second cousins to James Thomas moon's children.
As part of my quest...I am also interested in figuring out what churches were in the Magilligan area - Catholic, Church of Ireland, and Presbyterian - and which Dougherty ministers connected with which.
For example, I have found references to many ministers in the 1840s with the Dougherty / Doherty / etc. surname but it's a bit of a web. For example, these attended the 1849 funeral of the Bishop of Derry Rev. Dr. Maginn:
Rev. John Dougherty PP Banagher
Rev. George Dougherty PP Moville
Rev. Edward O'Dougherty Magilligan
Rev James O'Dougherty PP Errigle
If anyone can help me with the names of specific churches of Magilligan in 1800-1840 - church name, religion, location...I'd like to piece together, for each church, their ministers during those times (and any director/birth/marriage/death records) and see if I can place my "rector Dougherty" or O'Dougherty at one of them! (the father of my Archibald Dougherty and his mysterious mother, possibly a McSparron).
Many thanks to you, Aghadowey, and fellow family researchers, for all your help!
Stacia
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In addition to the Moon / McSparron link to the Dougherty family, I am wondering if there is an Archibald link as well. Have been finding DNA matches to Archibalds, but I think they are taking me further back to Scotland. Does anyone know if there were Archibalds in the area where the Moons were living, or any marriages between these families? I found just one Londonderry marriage of a Moon & Archibald:
Name Elizabeth Archibald
Spouse John Moon (widow)
Father Thomas Archibald
Marriage 12 Mar 1857 Errigal, Derry, Ireland
I believe this was John Moon b. abt. 1829, son of John Moon (no dates), and Elizabeth Archibald (b. abt. 1832), dau of Thomas Archibald.
These are (at least some of) their children:
Elizabeth (1864-?)
John (1866-1957) m. Margaret McCulloch
Alexander (1870-?)
Mary Jane (1880-?) m. David Deveney
I'm not sure how or if they fit into the tree further up (Archibald / Moon)
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Just a quick reply with a comment about DNA matches. It's unlikely you will find a close Moon match.
Archibald Moon & Mary Thomas of Ballydevitt had 5 known children-
- Daniel Moon, died age 5
- Eliza Thomas Moon m. Rev. James McMath & had 13 children- most died in infancy, early childhood or as young adults- none of the surviving children married or had family
- James Thomas Moon m. Rebecca Kidd Millar & had 5 children- none married see next post
- Daniel McSparron Moon, died age 28, no wife or children known
- Nettie Moon, unmarried
There were, at one time, lots of Moon families in this area and even more Archibald families.
John Moon (c1829-1909) married 1st Mary Jane Heaney (1 daughter Mary Jane) then 2nd Elizabeth "Betty" Archibald- their children- George, Alexander, Elizabeth, John, Alexander & possibly another Alexander.
This John Moon was the son of George Moon* or Clarehill & Nancy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09346/5384004.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09527/5453468.pdf
Another daughter of George Moon*, Margaret, married Alexander Archibald.
Most of the local families intermarried and it can be difficult to sort them out just by looking at online records.
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Correction to above post-
James Thomas Moon m. Rebecca Kidd Millar & had 5 children- none married
I've discovered that eldest son James Thomas Moon married in England & had a daughter (born, probably in N.I. since no trace in English indexes, less than 100 years ago). She in turn married just after WWII and had 2 daughters.
Have also discovered you've a family tree on Family Search for the Ballydevitt family which is a bit muddled. I've not put one on there so perhaps easy to click the wrong box or something. In any case, James Thomas Moon, Jr. was born 1886 at Cullycapple to it was his father who died in 1934 (and not 1834 as in tree). "Superintendent of Black Works and Farmer" should be Bleach Works in 1901. Daniel McSparron Moon was the son of Archibald Moon but have not come across a brother of Archibald's with the same name (or indeed any other brother so far).
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G34K-B4H
Still going through my files so that I have all the details on Moons, Archibald, etc. that might connect.
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Aghadowey,
Thanks for your response. I corrected the FamilySearch tree. Thanks for letting me know. I think that was my first attempt and I mixed up the son and father with the same name.
I look forward to hearing back from you!
Stacia
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I've been putting all the notes I have for Moons in Aghadowey area and it's 32 pages so far (I'm still added information) but we have a bigger problem with a DNA match to your father which I can't explain!
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Aghadowey, You personally have a dna match with my father? Or you do NOT have a match? I think you can PM met now. Stacia
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I sent you a PM on Monday but maybe you haven't seen it yet? Your father and I don't share any DNA but my husband and a friend do.