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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: spiderboy on Tuesday 08 September 09 09:33 BST (UK)
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Hidden away on their blog yesterday they posted that they are “almost ready” to announce that it is available via subscription but first they have to sort out some technical issues. By insinuation it will not be included in the FindMyPast subscription.
http://blog.1911census.co.uk/2009/08/a-treat-for-tennyson-lovers/#comments
Perhaps not too much longer to wait then? :)
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I have to say I am a little, disturbed, peeved etc that the suggestion is it will be another subscription rather than just added into the current sub! :( Ever get the feeling you are being squeezed for every penny you have >:(
Kerry
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Not that it helps or makes it any easier but in fairness to them I think that all along it was suggested that extra payment would be required.
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If FindMyPast are going to charge extra for access on top of a normal subscription, I shall be waiting until it appears on other sites. From what I remember, they only have exclusivity to it for a maximum of 6 months after all the images are released. Then other companies can purchase copies of the images and index them themselves (or something like that if memory serves me correctly). The explorer subscription at £90 for a year is a little expensive for what is on the site, albeit that I do use the passenger lists and the NBI a reasonable amount. Other than that, I don't tend to use the census on the site, only if I can't find them on ancestry. I would imagine FindMyPast have made more than enough to cover their costs and a bit on top. I don't personally remember them saying it would be a bolt-on to existing subscriptions .. less hope not. Perhaps they have to sort out a separate 1911 only subscription for people who don't want access to the rest of their site.
Nicola
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pretty sure that the 1911 census is not going to be available elswhere until at least 2011,
as FindMyPast have a contract until then,
then i assume National Archives will sell the images to whoever else are interested, as spiderboy states i think it has always been common knowledge that access will be an extra subscription on top of any current membership to FindMyPast,
i subscibe to both FindMyPast and Ancestery so not thrilled about paying more but as i say i have always known
that would be the case.
If you search the discussions on this site going back to last year you will see that people have always known it would be extra.
Personally i am a realist and know they have paid good money for the 1911, also we have it 2 years ahead of expected release date, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, what kind of stink
will the people who have been paying for images kick up if they released it with no extra cost?
without knowing what they ACTUALLY paid for it and what returns they have had....
As i say just my personal opinion, i have been chuffed with the info i have gained and i have bought a LOT of images, i compare it to £7 for a BMD certificate and have to wait up to a week, i maybe in the minority but i look at it that i have this info 2 years ahead of time, apart from the cost the roll out of the 1911 compared to the 1901 has been IN MY opinion excellent.
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The FindMyPast 'exclusivity' and dates bandied around by the SoG are seemingly urban myths ...
pretty sure that the 1911 census is not going to be available elswhere until at least 2011,
as FindMyPast have a contract until then
If you look at this FOI request, the Nat Archives spokesperson clearly states that they dont 'do exlusive' ...
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/contract_with_find_my_past_limit
so hopefully, fairly soon RC will review their position on 'Lookups' and the 1911 will be treated the same as the other census ?
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I use Ancestry, not FindMyPast and would willingly pay a subscription just for the 1911 census.
I only used the 1911 site for the first time yesterday and bought the minimum amount of credits, £6.95. I was very surprised that the search results did not list place of birth as Ancestry do which (when dealing with a common name) enhances the possibility of choosing the right person.
I did eventually find the family by searching for the younger children and seeing if names and dobs were in the same district. Unfortunately the Father and the daughter (my Grandma) were not listed. With a common name I soon got through my credits without finding her. As she was 18 at the time it is possible she was in service, which could be anywhere. So I do hope for a subscription service to be announced.
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i would be very surprised if FindMyPast when bidding did not have some time frame in place,
if not i would question their business capabilities lol
the National Archives already offer free access to the 1911 census so exclusive it aint, i would also THINK that FindMyPast would get any cut of the selling on to cover their costs of scanning etc, maybe way off the mark but cannot see them scanning the census for others then to bid at a lower cost than they paid,
the more sites that have the census the better and cheaper it will become, but if you think about it i wouldn't think FindMyPast are going to offer the census at a new subscription rate or as they have stated existing members will benefit,
if they know that other sites are going to also have the census anytime soon,
would you subscribe to a new subscription if you knew Ancestery etc were going to have the 1911 soon?
i do hope i am wrong
there is also maybe another scenario, that IF anytime soon Ancestery etc have the census they will also "up" their prices,
as i say i can't see FindMyPast rolling out a new subscription if they know others will soon also have the 1911
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In case anyone is unware National Archives have started rolling out the 1911 Census free at 7 centres in the UK. This will be for about a year, maybe less if demand is high. Unfortunately I cannot get to any of them.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/337.htm
Also, regarding Ancestry, I did not know that it can be accessed free from any public library.
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Even if FindMyPast or NA do sell on copies of the scans the people such as Ancestry buying them will surely have to do their own transcriptions and that will take time.
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Let's hope that the Ancestry transcriptions will be rather better than the ones done by Brightsolid ::)
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I think all the Main Librarys in England should of Had Access to the 1911 Census ...Why Manchester Library was Given it and Not Liverpool as Well ...Beats Me.. When Liverpool Library has a Larger Collection of Archives
Oh well Its Looks Like Most of Us will have to Pay Over the Odds on Some Subscription site ..Unless An***sty Library Edition Manage to get the copywrites and put it online Next Year .
I think the Irish 1911 Census has been Brilliant ...thay even Gave Us a FREE Look at the census Images ..Did England NO ..
Rant over for Friday Morning
Regards
Iria
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Let's hope that the Ancestry transcriptions will be rather better than the ones done by Brightsolid
I doubt it would be. Ancestry transcriptions are the worst I've come across. I thought they ship them out to the Indian continent to save money.
Nick - Can you tell us why you are so pro Ancestry and apparently anti any other FH site?
Lizzie
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Let's hope that the Ancestry transcriptions will be rather better than the ones done by Brightsolid ::)
There's nothing like living in hope or dreamland ;D ;)
Kerry
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I've come across some terrible transcriptions on Ancestry but at least there is an option of correcting in and it flags up 'alternative name' or something like that.
I'm sure not if there is anything similar on 1911 but someone I know who works in National Archives says they will correct the transcription if it does not match the original but they won't change it just because you know it is incorrect (for example Hadsney for Hackney.)
I didn't look at the originals on 1911, are there a lot of mistranscriptions that you have found Nick29?
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I've come across some terrible transcriptions on Ancestry but at least there is an option of correcting in and it flags up 'alternative name' or something like that.
I'm sure not if there is anything similar on 1911 but someone I know who works in National Archives says they will correct the transcription if it does not match the original but they won't change it just because you know it is incorrect (for example Hadsney for Hackney.)
I didn't look at the originals on 1911, are there a lot of mistranscriptions that you have found Nick29?
I have reported a transcription error on 1911 that has subsequently been corrected - it did take a few weeks. I have also reported several on FindMyPast which have all been corrected within a few days.
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Let's hope that the Ancestry transcriptions will be rather better than the ones done by Brightsolid
I doubt it would be. Ancestry transcriptions are the worst I've come across. I thought they ship them out to the Indian continent to save money.
Nick - Can you tell us why you are so pro Ancestry and apparently anti any other FH site?
Lizzie
I use three different sites - I have subs to Ancestry and The Genealogist, and I also have a lot of PPV credit that I use on the 1911 census and FindMyPast web sites. The simple answer is that I think Ancestry are head and shoulders above the others, especially when you get to grips with the way they do things. Ancestry is not aimed in the main for professional researchers, which is good, because I am not one, nor do I aspire to be. Ancestry's transcriptions are not the best (the transcriptions on The Genealogist are miles better), but they are certainly miles better than those on the 1911 census site.
I've come across some terrible transcriptions on Ancestry but at least there is an option of correcting in and it flags up 'alternative name' or something like that.
I'm sure not if there is anything similar on 1911 but someone I know who works in National Archives says they will correct the transcription if it does not match the original but they won't change it just because you know it is incorrect (for example Hadsney for Hackney.)
I didn't look at the originals on 1911, are there a lot of mistranscriptions that you have found Nick29?
I've found quite a few. On my very first attempt to find the records of my grandfather in 1911, I could find no trace of any of the family. Fortunately I knew the address where they were living at the time (from my mother's birth certificate), otherwise I would not have found them. A couple of the transcriptions that I found on the 1911 site were absurd, but FindMyPast refused to change them.
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especially when you get to grips with the way they do things
Nick - I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Personally, I don't like the way they do things, especially as I think even Ancestry UK is geared towards the American market. However, we'll have to agree to differ.
Lizzie
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I have the basic Ancestry subscription which on renewal was just over £80. I think I have, over the past two years, had my moneys worth, particuarly with the WW1 Army records. I don't even like to think of the number of hours I have spent on the site.
On the 1911 I got through £7 in no time at all with only one direct hit (coal mining family in Wales, moved around a lot - needles in haystacks) so until it appears on a subscription basis or lists places of birth on search results I won't be visiting it again because I can't afford to.
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especially when you get to grips with the way they do things
Nick - I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Personally, I don't like the way they do things, especially as I think even Ancestry UK is geared towards the American market. However, we'll have to agree to differ.
Lizzie
I think everything in this world is geared towards the American Market, because theirs is the biggest market in the western world. The majority of the TV programmes and films that we watch are geared towards the American market. You can see that by the number of Americanisms that have crept into our language. I was going to use the word movies, but I changed it to films in this post, just for you ! :)
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I like ancestry in that they are always improving the interface (even if thet flusters a few people)
Ancestry and FTM not only encourage you to download intormation, they give very good tools to do it. Brigthsolids user agreement (no re-publishing at all really) is pathetic given they are chargin a premium.
And I think its Ironic that to post a correction for their transcription error, you have to buy the transcription and the original on PPV
What about a refund ?
PS doesnt the site now say the subscription will be available in late 2009 ?
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I think the initial rush has now died down, and this will be Phase II of Brightsolid's plan to milk as much money from the 1911 census as possible. I'm pretty well "searched out" on the 1911 census now :)
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The 1911 is coming on subscription in October.
http://blog.findmypast.com/
Early Christmas pressie for me. ;D
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Pretty expensive though:
* 12 months ‘Explorer and 1911′: £119.95 - a saving of 20%
* 6 months ‘Explorer and 1911′: £74.95 - a saving of 20%
Or own it's own:
12-month 1911 census subscription – £59.95 (the equivalent of viewing 15 transcripts and images using PayAsYouGo credits).
Six-month 1911 census subscription – £39.95 (the equivalent of viewing 10 transcripts and images using PayAsYouGo credits).
To view just the 1911 census for a year is £60. Not sure it is worth the money on it's own as seeing as I still have credits left I am not sure this is going to tempt me.
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info for existing subscribers of FindMyPast
12 months ‘Explorer and 1911′: £119.95 - a saving of 20%
6 months ‘Explorer and 1911′: £74.95 - a saving of 20%
Existing findmypast.com subscribers will be able to upgrade to the new combined subscription using their loyalty discount (currently 20%) at any time -
if you decide to upgrade, we will automatically refund the remaining days of your current subscription at a daily rate and deduct this from the price of your new upgraded subscription.
Existing findmypast.com subscribers will also get exclusive early access to the 1911 Census before it is made available to the general public.
So basically for the 1911 it will be an extra £20 on top of the 6 or 12 months explorer
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I wonder if they will ease their draconian re-publishing restrictions
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So basically for the 1911 it will be an extra £20 on top of the 6 or 12 months explorer
More like £48 on top for 12 months.
I renewed yesterday for 12 months explorer at £71.95 with the loyalty discount. I wouldn't mind if it was only £20 ... may wait for a while longer until its more widely available ....
It looks like FindMyPast trying to milk the 1911census further since personally I don't think its worth £60 on top, I'll pay Birmingham library a visit and use it for free (when I can ever book a computer!).
Nicola
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personally i havn't paid for anything on the 1911 yet. iv searched all my immediate family and found who was with who.
i will gladly pay 60 quid for a years transcription just to the census. it will give me the ability to download all the different branches forvery little compared for what it costs nowadays.
perth :) :)
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They've missed the boat as far as I'm concerned. I would have happily shelled out for a sub earlier in the year, but have now got everything I was after from Kew. I needed to go there to look for something else (not a FH matter), so I went armed with a list of census refs and quickly printed off the images I was interested in.
Not that it helps or makes it any easier but in fairness to them I think that all along it was suggested that extra payment would be required.
The big marketing campaign FindMyPast did around Christmas implied that 1911 would be included in subs taken out then - there was no hint of any extra charges on top. If I had taken out a sub then, I would be demanding free access to 1911 and threatening legal action until I got it.
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So basically for the 1911 it will be an extra £20 on top of the 6 or 12 months explorer
More like £48 on top for 12 months.
I renewed yesterday for 12 months explorer at £71.95 with the loyalty discount. I wouldn't mind if it was only £20 ... may wait for a while longer until its more widely available ....
It looks like FindMyPast trying to milk the 1911census further since personally I don't think its worth £60 on top, I'll pay Birmingham library a visit and use it for free (when I can ever book a computer!).
Nicola
yep sorry meant per 6 months, still about what i expected and now compares favourably with Ancestry's packages,
which i suspect why it has been priced as such
Perth Tiger for an extra £15 if you dont already have a subscription to anywhere getting the 6 months package?
you can do some serious damage in 6 months lol
Introductory offer – save 20% off an Explorer and 1911 census subscription
If you buy the Explorer and the 1911 census subscriptions together, you’ll get an automatic 20% discount (offer available for a limited time):
12-month Explorer and 1911 census subscription – £119.95 (20% discount)
6-month Explorer and 1911 census subscription – £74.95 (20% discount)
at the moment you pay £24-95 and get 280 credits (9 originals and 10 credits left lol)
i think people are going to have their own opinion, most who subscribe to Ancestry will i guess feel it's overpriced,
i subscribe to both and am just glad the credit system is finally coming to an end, i have pros and cons for both, not my place to lecture to people which is best, if you only need one then you need to compare the two or any others and decide which you will get best Value out of, but good news for those who have been waiting to access the 1911 via subscription :)
(yes you can get free access at Kew but the distance and cost makes it far cheaper to do at home for the majority)
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Perth Tiger for an extra £15 if you dont already have a subscription to anywhere getting the 6 months package?
you can do some serious damage in 6 months lol
i allready have ancestry, iv had it for years now and find it hard to be without even though i have just about everything from it. i would like to try FindMyPast, but every time i search it comes up blank.
maybe its me not knowing how to use it properly.
perth :) :)
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No problem Perth ;)
as i mentioned i do have both, i must admit the census search on Ancestry is better in SOME ways and visa versa, often i will find the census in Ancestry and then compare it on FindMyPast as they transcribe the address and trying to read them on Ancestry at times you need Timmy Mallet glasses, and MANY times i have found something on one but not the other,
the addition of the Lma and the 1911 etc etc makes it a must to have both FOR ME, but maybe people with no London relatives?
hope you find what you want ;)
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I am more than happy to pay for a 12 month sub as I have spent more than that on credits so far, most of them wasted trying to find my Jones families. I have Ancestry so have never felt the need to subscribe to FindMyPast. To me the price is worth the convenience of sitting at home searching as and when I feel like it, all I will be wasting is my time. I will also be able to move forward on other lines.
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I read the blog on FindMyPast and read it such that the existing subscribers would be entitled to the loyalty discount of 20% off the early bird price of £119.95 for 12 months combined explorer and 1911, . . .
however then I received the email from FindMyPast which states:
"20% loyalty discount for findmypast.com subscribers
If you want to add the 1911 Census subscription to an Explorer subscription, we will give you 20% off the combined price, giving you 12 months’ access for just £119.95 (instead of £149.90 separately) or 6 months’ access for £74.95 (instead of £94.90). "
so it is more costly than when I worked out the extra this morning :(
and that doesn't seem like much loyalty incentive when that price is already available according to the blog ???
Lisa
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I am not a FindMyPast subscriber but when I have tidied up some loose ends with family research I may take out the 6 month sub for £39.95 although I imagine plenty of geneology message board sites will have plenty of people offering to search for others .......... ?
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I read the blog on FindMyPast and read it such that the existing subscribers would be entitled to the loyalty discount of 20% off the early bird price of £119.95 for 12 months combined explorer and 1911, . . .
however then I received the email from FindMyPast which states:
"20% loyalty discount for findmypast.com subscribers
If you want to add the 1911 Census subscription to an Explorer subscription, we will give you 20% off the combined price, giving you 12 months’ access for just £119.95 (instead of £149.90 separately) or 6 months’ access for £74.95 (instead of £94.90). "
so it is more costly than when I worked out the extra this morning :(
and that doesn't seem like much loyalty incentive when that price is already available according to the blog ???
Lisa
The £149 price etc has only just been mentioned as it is IF you bought them separate
which is hardly likely, if you have an existing membership you will get a pro rata discount to reflect the time remaining on your package. I havn't tried working that out yet until i know for deffo' when it comes live
as a loyalty lol you also get earlier access to it, to be honest i rarely hunt round for these deals and who offers what, gives me a headache, i have always liked FindMyPast way of doing it, if you resubscribe within the time you get the discount, if not you decide, i don't mean i dont like paying as least as possible, but if i'm buying something i decide if it's VFM have a quick look if anyone is offering cheaper which obviously does not apply here, if ok i buy,
for the price they want for a years 1911 i have paid more than that for Barnadoes to do a couple of searches with no results,
i also paid £40 for a search of a divorce record and again no result :(
i have mentioned before on the day of release beta i found two of my grandparents both aged 9, and the info the two originals gave me were priceless, and if you had asked me before i would have paid A LOT more than they viewing cost me,
the LMA releases today i think have been brilliant and some certificates i have been toying with buying because i wasnt sure if correct i now know are the right ones, i think the people who maybe upset there are the GRO as a lot less certificates will be needed,
i do understand some may have only a few family in the 1911 to search for, so maybe you would as someone mentions be best sticking to the PPV, maybe i am at an age i don't get stressed over things i have no control over, i had an engine blow up on me JUST after the warrantry expired and my kids were all wondering why i wasn't freaking out, as i said if i lost sleep over it, it was STILL blown up when i woke lol
lmao i also waffle a lot :D
MarthaJane
i have noticed they have highlighted the fair usage policy in their site, so would think they will impose it pretty strictly,
don't THINK it will effect searching, probably d/l originals
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6.1 To ensure a high quality service for all customers, we enforce a “Fair Usage Policy” for Users with a Subscription whereby we place a cap on use of the Services. We have set the current use limit at an average of no more than 1000 Credits per month over a rolling three month period.
6.2 We may revise our Fair Usage Policy from time to time and will advise you of any changes made.
6.3 If you exceed the Fair Usage Policy limits, We reserve the right to invoice you retrospectively for all Credits used at the rate of 12 pence per Credit and to suspend or terminate your use of the Services
This to me is an unfair contract. A subscription should allow unlimited use. One reason why I have never subscribed with this outfit.
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indeed WALOB applies :D
and ...
although I imagine plenty of geneology message board sites will have plenty of people offering to search for others .......... ?
not RC - already emphasised elsewhere by the Copyright people.
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i have been a member of FindMyPast back to when it was 1871, and to be fair i have never ever had an email or warning about over usage, occasionally get a message about already being logged in when i know my wife is also using it on her laptop, but have spent MANY hours both of us using it and had no problem,
i just thought i would mention it in case some think of doing hundreds of look ups and d/l 's for people,
pretty sure the VAST majority will never hear a thing
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les_looking,
despite my whinge about the cost, I have been eagerly awaiting the chance to subscribe to 1911 as the cost on pay as you go was too high for me to look at everyone I wanted to check out, so I am looking forward to it.
I am a tad disappointed that it didn't just slip into the existing subscription, but then that would be expecting too much :)
Lisa
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Lisa
yep would have been a real bonus if they had included it in their subscriptions,
MAYBE they would have cornered a bigger share of the market if they had ?
but sadly none of them seem to give anything for nothing, i am pretty sure Ancestry moving the goal posts when they stopped access to the lower subscriptions to some of the records, was in anticipation of the LMA and other records
they have introduced,
FindMyPast have been lucky to find a product they can raise prices for in these hard times
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It might be a while, even quite a while but sometime in the future Ancestry will have the 1911 census and I am more than happy to wait and see what they do with it with regards to cost. It is more likely that they will put it within their current subscriptions and not make you pay extra although the subs themselves might rise a little. Having given it some though I refuse to pay those prices especially with a cap on them.
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I have just seen, on another geneology website, that due to high cost of credits for 1911 they are increasing the number of credits available for subscription holders, but have not announced what it will be yet.
Evidently, for a stand-alone 1911 subscription they have not decided what the ceiling for credits will be.
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I have just seen, on another geneology website, that due to high cost of credits for 1911 they are increasing the number of credits available for subscription holders, but have not announced what it will be yet.
Interesting but what will these means to us holders of such credits. I think I have something like 86 left to use before some time next year.
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See
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,407179.msg2751115.html#msg2751115
for anouncement
FS
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i suppose some of you have recieved this, but for those that havnt
SERVICE UPDATE: The 1911 Census will beavailable on subscription from October
Dear #FirstName#,
We hope that you’ve been enjoying using the 1911 Census: we are delighted to let you know that following the completion of the final records in June, we are now preparing to make it available as a new subscription package on our sister website, findmypast.com.
Final preparations are underway, and the census will be available online on the findmypast.com website from October 21st, allowing you to search the records at your leisure. 1911census.co.uk will continue to operate as a PayAsYouGo website.
A census like no other – the most valuable new resource available to family historians
In case you haven’t used the 1911 Census recently, a quick reminder of why it is of such immense use to family historians:
It’s the first census where there is a form for every household rather than just a street-by-street summary: you get to see your ancestor’s own handwriting, and more information about your ancestors is recorded than ever before
Over 10 times larger than the 1901 census – because every household schedule has survived, there are 18 million images to view
Glorious technicolour images – it’s the first census to be scanned in colour and at ultra-high quality, making the original images much easier to read
More personal details to help you build your tree – the 1911 Census provides information that wasn’t recorded before: number of years married, children born to the marriage, children living and deceased. Often, your ancestors have made mistakes on the form which can give you even more clues to tracking down family members
It’s the most recent census to be released – the 1921 Census won’t be released until 2021, so this is your best chance to find recent (in some cases, still living!) relatives
Don’t just take our word for it, remind yourself by viewing sample images on the 1911census.co.uk website.
Subscribe to the 1911 Census, for the price of viewing just 15 records
The 1911 Census on findmypast.com will be free to search. If you’re planning to look at more than a few records, findmypast.com's new 1911 subscription makes great sense.
An annual subscription to the 1911 Census is £59.99 – the equivalent of viewing 15 transcripts and images (using PayAsYouGo Credits).
We also have a 6 month subscription at £39.99 – the equivalent of viewing 10 records. If you only want to view a handful of records, you can still use PayAsYouGo credits.
Combine the 1911 Census with a findmypast.com Explorer subscription and save 20%
If you want to add the 1911 Census subscription to findmypast.com’s Explorer subscription, we will give you 20% off the combined price, giving you 12 months’ access to findmypast.com for just £119.95 (instead of £149.90 separately) or 6 months’ access for £74.95 (instead of £94.90), for a limited period.
Just choose the “Explorer and 1911” option at the checkout when the subscription becomes available and your discount will be automatically applied.
Why subscribe to findmypast.com?
Now is perfect time to consider a subscription to findmypast.com. As well as being the only family history website to offer the 1911 Census on subscription, combining it with findmypast.com’s comprehensive Explorer subscription gives you the best chance of finding your ancestors in over 500 years of historical records. You’ll get:
The most complete set of Birth, Marriage and Death records available on the internet – awarded the Queens’ Award for Enterprise
The most accurate set of censuses 1841-1901, and the only place to get the 1911 Census
The largest Parish Record collection online
Millions of other records that aren’t available elsewhere – see what an Explorer subscription gives you access to
Plus you have our ongoing commitment to provide you with the most accurate records available and superior customer support by phone, email and online.
We hope that the 1911 Census subscription will provide you with an excellent new way to extend your research at a reasonable price: if you have any questions, please contact our Customer Support team who will be, as always, happy to help you.
Look out for our next email confirming the launch of the 1911 Census, and including your 20% discount on a combined Explorer and 1911 subscription.
And, a final reminder – your 1911census.co.uk sign in details will work on findmypast.com – so you won’t even need to register again, and you can also spend any unused credits on the millions of other records on findmypast.com.
We hope the new 1911 subscription will take you even further in your family history research.
Best Wishes,
The 1911census.co.uk and findmypast.com teams
looks fine to me and the price isn't too bad in my opinion
perth :)
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Hm. I'm 6 months into a full subscription to Find My Past so I'll be interested to see how much it will cost.
I'm a bit disappointed that I have to pay extra though. Ancestry didn't charge extra for the LMA images.
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Hm. I'm 6 months into a full subscription to Find My Past so I'll be interested to see how much it will cost.
I'm a bit disappointed that I have to pay extra though. Ancestry didn't charge extra for the LMA images.
not on release they didn't, but had the foresight sometime before they added various records to alter the subscriptions, and those on the lower packages lost access to parish records and any new additions,
and on renewal those on the higher packages prices went up, like FindMyPast you have to decide if worth it,
i subscribe to both and think each has one the other doesn't and am happy to keep with both,
some who may only want scarce info' i can understand either maybe to expensive ;)
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It still works out cheaper than visiting numerous record offices around the world to have both subs! ::) ;D
Kerry
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I'm a bit disappointed that I have to pay extra though. Ancestry didn't charge extra for the LMA images.
Ancestry raised their subscription rates in anticipation of the LMA records going online. They didn't have all that much good pre-1837 stuff (apart from Pallots) to warrant such an increase for their 'new' Premium rate subscription, but they knew the LMA records were imminent. So yes, Ancestry has in effect charged extra.
K.
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Ancestry raised their subscription rates in anticipation of the LMA records going online. They didn't have all that much good pre-1837 stuff (apart from Pallots) to warrant such an increase for their 'new' Premium rate subscription, but they knew the LMA records were imminent. So yes, Ancestry has in effect charged extra.
K.
I was told when ancestry did increase the number of subscriptions from 2 to 3 that this was more to do with few people paying the extra for the worldwide subscription because it was over £100 more expensive than the normal UK subscription. As a consequence they reduced worldwide by £50 and split the UK into two separate ones, increasing the price for the premium subscription. Now cynic that I am, did wonder if this had anything to do with the LMA images but perhaps there is some truth in what I was told. At £150 the worldwide isn't that much more expensive than the premium for £107 and the basic, while at £200 instead of £89 it was a lot more expensive. I just hope they don't hike the prices up too much next year ....
Even £150 is cheaper than trying to get to London regularly to the LMA from Birmingham, which worked out about £40-£45 minimum each time in transport costs. :D
However, I can appreciate that for anyone without an interest in London, the premium is a bit expensive.
Nicola
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i think you have every right to be a Cynic,
i am pretty sure a LOT will have upgraded when LMA came live,
they also stated they wanted to make sure that people paying were getting the records they wanted,
i am sure thats what they did when they joined, but then some records were taken away,
what was the uk package now does not contain London records ::)
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Point taken. I know that it's expensive to transcribe the records.
I didn't know that Ancestry has jiggled with it's rates though. I managed to get it half price a couple of months ago and my sister paid for it for my birthday. I expect I will pay for the 1911 too.
I have some unusual names in my tree, but also some really common ones, so it's useful to be able to plough through the possibles with an unlimited subscription rather than pay as you go.
I might try another trip to the LMA (I'm fairly close) and see how much quieter it is these days. :)
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I've given up on FindMyPast. I'd finally decided to take out a sub for the 1911. I tried the search free option to see what I'd be getting but STILL couldn't get past the "fill in the boxes" section because of the 'enabling cookies" thing. I tried all the options suggested and also contacted FindMyPast (no help whatsoever). Looks like I'll just have to wait........
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Hi
It looks as though it could be up and running ??? It is now on the FindMyPast census page and you can do a search - when you ask to view details you are routed to upgrade your subs...I haven't done it yet though ;D
Rosie
ADDED - It shows me as I have an existing sub what it will cost to upgrade taking into account the balance left on my current sub
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Hi
Well I took up their offer and subscribed to FindMyPast membership with 1911 census - no problems so far ;D
Rosie
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Me too. Having fun so far!
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Anyone else having trouble. I paid for the subscription this morning and been having lots of fun and now my images wont load, were loading fine earlier on.
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Am looking at it now. No problems for me at the moment, although I was having trouble last night.
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Upgraded by subs this morning, images load as normal, including 1911 census.
Lizzie
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Having received the offer to upgrade my subscription, before rushing into it I thought it might be worth while viewing recent posts on their blog and am a bit perturbed at what I’ve found. Perhaps naively I had expected that the search and link facilities would have been the same as on the 1911 site but apparently this is not the case. By all accounts unlike the 1911 site there is no advance search or provision to access the images of the enumerator’s documents. The latter proved invaluable to me previously as I was able to identify a family member as a lodger but on a separate schedule. It is also noticeable that although a spokesperson has stated that their fair usage limit will be set higher in view of the new combined subscription there is still no indication as to what it will be. I suspect that all this will not deter me from taking out the new subscription but it is worth bearing in mind and I think it a pity that it was not made clear at the outset. Is it another case of Buyer Beware - what do other RootsChat members think?
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iv just taken out a sub and like you was dissapointed at the lack of enumerators pages. im not worried about the diff search facilities as im sure i will get use to them.
will email FindMyPast later and ask when the other images will be put on
perth :) :)
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Hi Perth
When they answer could you let us know what the reply is please?
One point that worries me is that if it does become available unless it is linked to the householder's page we could be effectively be charged against our fair usage limit.
Spiderboy.
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will do spiderboy. i dont think we will get near the fair usage limit unless it gets very very busy on there.
perth :) :)
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I'm obviously a bit dumb, but what info do you get from the enumerators pages?
Lizzie
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It's on the site..
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&152
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I agree its shame the advanced search facility isn't available on FindMyPast, but you can always "play" with the search engine on the 1911census site to narrow down possibilities before looking at the transcript/image on FindMyPast. Its something I've had to do since upgrading my subscription. I wasn't going to but with the credit from the existing subscription being higher than I thought, it worked out a good opportunity.
Nicola
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I'm obviously a bit dumb, but what info do you get from the enumerators pages?
Lizzie
all the other census available online are just the enumerators pages.
i did find after 4 hours that there is an advanced search facility on the FindMyPast site for the 1911.
im suprised so far of how many dead children most of the people im looking at had. i knew of a few of them, but there are loads more.
perth :) :)
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Thanks to Pauline and Perth for enlightening me about the enumerators' pages. Now I've seen the 1911 example, I agree it's a shame it's apparently no longer available.
Perth - Like you I found many families had children who'd died. Many of them I already knew about, but some distant branches I didn't. However, as they are "distant", I won't bother to research these children, just make a note.
Lizzie
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As Rootschatters were interested in whether the enumerators pages will be on FindMyPast soon, I e-mailed FindMyPast at 9.23am this morning and at 10.43am had this reply:
We don’t have a confirmed date yet, but rest assured the RG78 images will be added very soon.
We are most certainly expecting this to be within the next few months and hopefully, weeks.
That's good news and a very quick response from FindMyPast staff. Well done to them all I say.
Lizzie
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As Rootschatters were interested in whether the enumerators pages will be on FindMyPast soon, I e-mailed FindMyPast at 9.23am this morning and at 10.43am had this reply:
We don’t have a confirmed date yet, but rest assured the RG78 images will be added very soon.
We are most certainly expecting this to be within the next few months and hopefully, weeks.
That's good news and a very quick response from FindMyPast staff. Well done to them all I say.
Lizzie
they must be on a role i got the same at 10.03
perth ;D ;D
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Thanks for the feedback Lizzie and Perth. I’ve just checked out the Help and Advice section on the main FindMyPast site which appears to have recently been updated to include the 1911 census in the FAQ section. It now implies that the R78 images will be made available although unlike the replies that you both received no time scale is mentioned. Just off to upgrade my subscription and will have to trust to luck that I don’t exceed the Fair Usage quota which they have yet to divulge.
Perth, if it took you 4 hours to find the advanced search facility I might have to come back to you for assistance. :)
Spiderboy.
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I have just subscribed to the 1911 this morning and have had great fun...
However I am worried about this 'fair usage policy' that has been mentioned here. Any idea what kind of limits you are talking about?
I am quite a browser amongst the records and flit to and from records and images to check people out.
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I have just subscribed to the 1911 this morning and have had great fun...
However I am worried about this 'fair usage policy' that has been mentioned here. Any idea what kind of limits you are talking about?
I am quite a browser amongst the records and flit to and from records and images to check people out.
i spent 6 hours on sunday looking through them and it didnt do anything. im sure its just for when the site is overrun by subscribers.
perth :) :)
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doh! forgive me but what is FindMyPast'
....have been reading through the posts re subs....and whilst I pay for Ancestry and for Scotland's People and occasional use of 1911 census....do believe that at the end of the day this data actually belongs to us and it should all be free...
please dont get all upset but it is after all data all about us that we have given one way or another...
when i first started looking through and found that there were vast differences between what data you got, in various formats and from who - it all just struck me as another way to 'tax' us on finding out the data we had helped to compile... ::) :-[ ???
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They say that they have a limit of an average of 1000 credits per month in a 3 month rolling basis. :(
I have been dipping in and out of records today - and then even going back to them - not thinking I should have been watching consumption.
Ah well....
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Hi scriv2
The Fair Usage policy is contained their Terms and Conditions and the relevance is that as it stands subscribers are restricted to an average of 1000 credits per month over a 3 month period. The issue is that for the earlier census returns the cost is 3 credits to view transcripts and 3 to download images whereas the 1911 costs 10 credits to view transcripts and 30 to download images. Assuming one was to concentrate on the 1911 alone it would mean that you are restricted to roughly 33 downloads of household images per month, if you were to have a combination of transcriptions and images it could reduce to 25. Obviously if they charge extra for downloading the R78 images, which by their own admission can be very useful, it will soon eat into those figures. If you then consider that you may well be tracing ancestors through the range of census returns and other records it subsequently reduces the figure even more. Although they have said that they will be reviewing the quota it has not yet happened. As apparently a lot of people feel that they were mislead by the marketing that took place last Xmas to promote new subscriptions they are naturally viewing the latest offer with a certain amount of suspicion particularly as FindMyPast have the right to charge us retrospectively or even suspend our subscription should we exceed the undisclosed quota.
Spiderboy.
I should have added that as far as I can see we, as subscribers, apparently have no means of checking how many credits we have used so the first we may know is when we receive an email from them.
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I agree, that is not good at all. :( That is some increase!
The joke is that I only downloaded two of the households which I viewed....I was just having a look around after just signing up this morning and flitted about as I do on ancestry.co.uk without thinking.
I bet I spent a few hundred credits alone this morning with viewing at 30 a time - I viewed at least 6 images and 6 transcriptions.
Grr..
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Hi Moonstar36
FindMyPast is FindmyPast, parent company brightsolid. The same firm who own the online 1911 census, Friends Reunited and Scotland’s People. All part of the Thompson empire who publish amongst other things the Beano comic.
Spiderboy.
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Aah! Probably a bit late with this information, assuming that it is the same policy as it is with the PayAsYouGo system. “You will not be charged if you look at a record more than once within the same session. However, if you leave the site, sign out, or your connection is interrupted, you will be charged to view the record again. We recommend you print or save any images or transcripts you may wish to refer to later.” Still never mind, by my reckoning you’ve only spent about 240 credits of this month’s quota. ;D On a more serious note it does illustrate how quickly they can be consumed doesn’t it.
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Yes it does, esp as I kept going out of the site and back in again, it will probably be more than 240 for the rest of the month!!!
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Hi Spiderboy
Thanks for that....the Beano eh? I used to get that every Saturday morning as a kid...but that was the long dim and distant past...
amazing what you learn here! :)
Linda
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Aah! Probably a bit late with this information, assuming that it is the same policy as it is with the PayAsYouGo system. “You will not be charged if you look at a record more than once within the same session. However, if you leave the site, sign out, or your connection is interrupted, you will be charged to view the record again. We recommend you print or save any images or transcripts you may wish to refer to later.” Still never mind, by my reckoning you’ve only spent about 240 credits of this month’s quota. ;D On a more serious note it does illustrate how quickly they can be consumed doesn’t it.
So just save the images to "YOUR RECORDS". It's not as though you need to download them from 1911.
And UNLIKE flaming Ancestry you DON'T need credits to re-view them. I personally like 1911's search facilities and presentation and I don't think that 1000 units/month is particularly harsh limit. (if that is the limit).
Pauline
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We can't save the 1911 records anywhere on site yet, Pauline... but yes, the answer is to download them to our computer straight away I guess.
As regards ancestry, when you take a subscription to ancestry there is no limit at all to the number of times you view the image. It must be a 'pay and view' regulation that you mention.
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We can't save the 1911 records anywhere on site yet, Pauline... but yes, the answer is to download them to our computer straight away I guess.
As regards ancestry, when you take a subscription to ancestry there is no limit at all to the number of times you view the image. It must be a 'pay and view' regulation that you mention.
On Ancestry, once your sub lapses, whatever is in 'Your shoebox' you have to pay/re-subscribe to re-view
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I think I agree with Pauline, 1000 a month should be quite ample, unless people are breaking the terms and conditions and doing thousands of lookups for other people and making money out of it!!!! ::)
Kerry
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i did find after 4 hours that there is an advanced search facility on the FindMyPast site for the 1911.
For anyone else looking for the advanced search facility, click on whichever census you want to find someone and above the box for name etc. you will see 3 boxes, basic search which is the default search box you've just opened and then advanced search, click on that and you'll get a box asking for much more info, the 3rd box is search tips. Click on that and you'll get what it says - search tips. ::) Have to say I've never used the advanced search.
Probably a bit late with this information, assuming that it is the same policy as it is with the PayAsYouGo system. “You will not be charged if you look at a record more than once within the same session. However, if you leave the site, sign out, or your connection is interrupted, you will be charged to view the record again.
I don't understand what you are saying. I went back to the 1911 site and found some searches I'd done on the PayAsYouGo system and paid for and they are still available. It cannot be because I've upgraded my FindMyPast sub, as when I tried to open a census image of someone where in the past I'd only looked at the transcript, I got a message saying I didn't have enough credits.
Obviously, now I've got the upgraded sub, I will do all my searches via FindMyPast.
Lizzie
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Posted by: Moonstar36 Posted on: Today at 01:05:53
....have been reading through the posts re subs....and whilst I pay for Ancestry and for Scotland's People and occasional use of 1911 census....do believe that at the end of the day this data actually belongs to us and it should all be free...
please dont get all upset but it is after all data all about us that we have given one way or another...
when i first started looking through and found that there were vast differences between what data you got, in various formats and from who - it all just struck me as another way to 'tax' us on finding out the data we had helped to compile...
Hi Moonstar36
Virtually all data is available for free somewhere, for example you can access Scottish records at a number of locations in Scotland and the 1911 English Census is accessable at the National Archives in Kew (London) and a handful of other locations. What we are paying for is to be able to access such information from a distance. It costs a lot of money to scan, index, provide storage and access for the various documents which someone has to pay for. If its not the end user then it would be the British taxpayer. If you are fortunate to live locally to your research area then your costs may be minimal but thats not the case for people living some distance away, Australia in my case.
Andy
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I think I agree with Pauline, 1000 a month should be quite ample, unless people are breaking the terms and conditions and doing thousands of lookups for other people and making money out of it!!!! ::)
Kerry
It all depends on how you do your research....
When it 'costs' 30 to view an image and 10 for the record, it is actually quite easy to reach 1000 when you are researching a large family and like to follow your ancestors and their siblings (often several in those times) and offspring into 1911.
And if you like to arrange your research by census households, so you can see who is living where and who they are living with and who they are living next to.
And if you also like to see the actual page and not just a transcription, esp as we can now see the forms they filled in themselves.
And if you are trawling for a particular person and have the hunch that they are hidden in a street ....and then you don't find them, so have to look elsewhere.
I am obviously going to have to find a cheaper way of trawling the streets on site, but just wanted to point out that it can be very easy to reach 1000 through personal, I agree enthusiastic, research without having to defend against the accusation of abusing the conditions, making lots of money and doing 'thousands' of searches for others.
1000 credits = e.g. viewing 30 images and 10 households
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In case anyone is unware National Archives have started rolling out the 1911 Census free at 7 centres in the UK. This will be for about a year, maybe less if demand is high. Unfortunately I cannot get to any of them.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/337.htm
Also, regarding Ancestry, I did not know that it can be accessed free from any public library.
don't make a trip without checking first-both newcastle and manchester have already used up their credits-this from the manchester site
A set amount of free credits for the 1911 census have been provided by The National Archives at Manchester Archives and Local Studies. This has proved immensely popular , meaning free access in Manchester Archives and Local Studies will no longer be available from 1 October 2009.
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Hi all,
I too was worried about exceeding the 1000 credits limit, so I e-mailed FindMyPast last night - they replied very quickly - this morning even...
"We were always planning to alter the fair usage policy for inclusion of the 1911 census and I am pleased to say this has happened today.
The limit now is 5000 as advised in the T & C's."
Good news eh? And very pleased with their quick response.
Yorkslass
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Thanks for that...I was beginning to think I may have used up my quota the first day!
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Thank you Yorkslass :)
Having just resubscribed to FindMyPast there are lots of records I want to look at. I must remember to save items that are of interest rather than keep going back to them!
Barbara
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I also emailed FindMyPast last night and have received the same note of the limit of 5000 per month....
Good of them to respond very promptly to our concerns and that seems a very reasonable limit per month.
Thanks FindMyPast and Well Done.
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Thanks Yorkslass
I also thought I'd used my limit so I can carry on searching ::) It would be nice if there was some way we could see how many we've used though.
Rosie
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Agreed! Perhaps we should ask them?.....
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Agreed! Perhaps we should ask them?.....
I have just emailed them
Rosie
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Ooh...well done! Keep us posted.... :)
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Agreed! Perhaps we should ask them?.....
I have just emailed them
Rosie
They have replied -
There is no way for you to check in your account. However if you email us we can let you know what it is at.
Rosie
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Thanks a lot, Rosie....at least that is something!
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A little more information regarding the fair usage quota from the spokesperson on the 1911 blog, posted yesterday.
“we raised the fair usage limit earlier this week to 5000 credits per month as an interim measure ……. We will continue to review the limit and set a new one shortly based on activity in the coming weeks”. ::)
So I guess that for anyone involved in extensive research it’ll be worth keeping an eye on their Terms and Conditions for changes. Incidentally he goes on to say that although the data and images on each site are the same, because they offer different features and use a different search engine it may mean that the search results will be different.
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I would have to agree with Kerry and Pauline etc, i don't think for the individual user the fair users policy is to harsh, i have been a "user" of FindMyPast since the days it was 1871 and have used it to my hearts content for years and never had a warning re usage, and hopefully will still be the same,
I do understand those who think the info is ours but if it was free, who would pay for the work that has gone into transcribing and making available the info?
not sure the vast majority of tax payers would agree that making it at the expense of EVERYONE is a good use of the countries coffers, family history has taken of in the last few years but it is still a small minority that would benefit.
You hear about so many of the family history centres closing because of funding, i personally would prefer
that the information is there to pay for than not available at all, Yes Brightsolid and Ancestery are making ££'s, but at the moment they are selling something that people want and i again personally have no issues with them running a successful business, again i would prefer that, than the information was restricted due to cost, don't forget that FOI very rarely means FREE ;)
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looks like all the other images we wanted are now online. oh and they are free to look at ;D ;D
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I'm getting a bit sick of having a 'time out' notice if I search for anything that involves more than a first name and surname >:(
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Rich - I've never had a time out on FindMyPast, so not sure why you would get this.
Lizzie
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Rich - I've never had a time out on FindMyPast, so not sure why you would get this.
Lizzie
No idea, but it's getting on my wick!
Your search has taken too long to process and has therefore stopped.
Either try resubmitting your search or redefine to reduce the size of the search you are attempting.
e.g. looking for people with the first name 'Samuel, born in India within 4 years of 1867. I mean how difficult can it be to provide a search engine that can compute the results. >:(
I've never had a time out with Ancestry. ::)
Edit: I've given up with it and I'm now having to search county by county as the 1911 search engine is incapable of performing the search for the entire country. I tried the same search on Ancestry and it took about 3 seconds to provide the results. :-X
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Hi
On the odd occasion when I have had problems with searches timing out on the FindMyPast 1911 I have gone on to their other 1911 site http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx found it on there and used the info gleaned from the search to get it on FindMyPast (if that makes sense.)
Rosie
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iv had a couple of time outs when the info i have provided has resulted in too many answers. just try searching in the year +- 1 then changing it. iv had them on freebmd aswell.
perth :) :)
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Hi
On the odd occasion when I have had problems with searches timing out on the FindMyPast 1911 I have gone on to their other 1911 site http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx found it on there and used the info gleaned from the search to get it on FindMyPast (if that makes sense.)
Rosie
Thank you! That gave me the result I wanted instantly! :)
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You can't use the 1911 site with an FindMyPast sub though, you have to buy credits. I have 4 credits left on the 1911 site, which are no good for a search, so I guess I've lost them. They also show up on FindMyPast, but are still worthless as I have a sub to FindMyPast.
Lizzie
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Thank you! That gave me the result I wanted instantly! :)
Unfortunately the problem also occurs on the 1851 census. I've been trying to search using first name and age and even just in one county, but still getting timed out. I wouldn't mind but the only reason I'm looking on FindMyPast is to see if my elusive ancestor may have just been mistranscribed on ancestry rather than completely missing off the census but having no luck there 'cos of timeouts. As she died in 1855, no chance of finding where she came from later!
Nicola
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Typical, its behaving itself tonight!!
Every other time I've tried to run searches without surnames, its timed out.