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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: sjm21560 on Monday 07 September 09 16:38 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information about my 3rd great grandfather, Archibald McLean and his spouse Annie Brown. The only information I have was taken from the census records. I can't find them anywhere in the Islay OPRs.
Archibald was born abt.1814 in Kilchoman parish, presumably Port Charlotte. He was a tailor by profession (1841-1881). At the time of the 1881 census he was living at Shore Street, Port Charlotte, but I can't find any record of him thereafter. ???
His wife, Annie Brown, was born abt 1815 in Kilchoman parish. She is living with her husband in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 census records but I can't find any record of her thereafter. I can't find a marriage record for the couple.
I know of two children, Annie b. abt 1851 in Port Charlotte and Margaret born abt. 1855. Annie died in Glasgow on 28 Feb 1915.
Any additional information would be greatfully received.
Regards
Stewart
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Hi Stewart
I've found the death of Ann Maclean (m.s. Brown) in Port Charlotte on 29 March 1884, aged 73, widow of Archibald Mclean, Tailor.
Her parents were - John Brown, crofter and Mary, m.s. Sinclair, both deceased.
The informant was a neighbour - Archibald McLean
I assume that Archibald died 1881-1884 but so far I've not found the death.
Regards
Gadget
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In 1881, Ann was living at School House Lane, McEarchern's Land, Kilchoman
District 540 Ed 6 Page 17
Ann McLean, 68, Tailor's wife, b.Kilchoman
Donald McLean, boarder, 26, journeyman tailor, b.Portree
Gadget
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It looks as if Archibald died in 1881:
May 31 1881 Archibald Maclean, aged 67, tailor, married to Ann Brown. Port Charlotte.
His parents were - Alexander Maclean, Tailor and Margaret, m.s. Maclean, both deceased.
Margaret Mclean, daughter was the informant.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi gadget, thank you so much for the information and for such an amazingly quick reply!
Hugely impressed and very greatful
Stewart ;D
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Hi Stewart
Did you have Archibald in 1841? It looks as if this might be him with his father. His mother had, possibly died.
Port Charlotte, Kilchoman
Parish 540 ED 6 P 18
McLean
Alexander, 55, Tenant
Archibald, 25, Tailor
Mary, 20
Isabella, 15
Donald, 55
All b. Argyll
Note on the 1841, ages of those of 15 and over were usually rounded down into 5 year age bands. Thus 55 = 55-59, 25 = 25-29, etc.
Gadget
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Thanks once again, Gadget. Yes, I was aware of the 1841 census record but couldn't confirm it as I had no other family information. Now you have given me the name of Archibald's father, I think I can now confidently include the record in my data.
I assume that the other named household members are also family members - siblings and uncle perhaps?
Regards
Stewart
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It looks as if they probably are - worth you following them up in the later censuses.
I couldn't find Alexander on the 1851 so assume he must have died.
Couldn't find a marriage for him and Margaret either :(
Gadget
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Hi again
This might well be their marriage with a possible mistranscription:
IGI (extracted)
8 March 1849, Kilchoman, Argyll
Ann Brown and Archibald McLergan
It might be worth checking the original entry on SP. It's down again :(
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Stewart
I finally got to see the entry and it's definitely McLergan. However, I gather that McLergan was a sept of the McLean clan:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-ISLAY/2007-10/1192393619
I tend not to go into clans, etc. so this was news to me ::)
Gadget
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Hi Gadget, I really think that you might be on to something here. I too wasn't aware of the McLean/McLergan link. I found another thread where Sue Visser who has been involved with the transcription of many of the Islay BMDs confirms something similar:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-ISLAY/2003-10/1066596270
I will go and look for the name McLergan now.
Many thanks once again.
Stewart
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Hi
Came across your info while battering away at a brick in my wall. Interested in the Archibald McLean/ Annie Brown.
Annie's father might be the one that is sticking me. I have not been able to find any info on him. Did Mary Sinclair, her mother, die on 29/3/1856?
islayboy
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Hi Islayboy and wlecome to Rootchat :)
I'm wondering if it might be better for you to start a new thread/posting on Annie Brown as this one is quite old now.
I'll have a look to see if I can see anything :)
Best regards
Gadget
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Hi Stewart
I've found the death of Ann Maclean (m.s. Brown) in Port Charlotte on 29 March 1884, aged 73, widow of Archibald Mclean, Tailor.
Her parents were - John Brown, crofter and Mary, m.s. Sinclair, both deceased.
The informant was a neighbour - Archibald McLean
Regards
Gadget
Hi again :)
I think this is info that you will find interesting :)
Gadget
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Hi Islayboy, the information on Mary Brown's (m.s. Sinclair) death certificate reads as follows:
Mary Brown, Widow, (female) died on March 29th 1856, 2.00 a.m. at Port Charlotte, Kilchoman, aged 92 years. Father: John Sinclair, Farmer (deceased). Mother: Mary Sinclair m.s. Clarke (deceased). Cause of death: Decay of Age. Burial: Kilchoman Churchyard. Charles Brown (son) informed.
I haven't been able to find out anything about Mary's parents but I have quite a bit of information on her decendents. Mary was one of my 4th Great Grandmothers.
Hope that the above information is useful to you.
Stewart
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Hi Gadget, I have now had time to process the information you and others so kindly found for me and I've made excellent progress. ;D Documental evidence indicates that the family were using both the surnames of McLean and McLergan between the 1800s and 1850s but had standardised on McLean or MacLean by the 1860s.
I have come across another mystery that I wonder if you could help me with. I can trace Archibald's father, Alexander, through the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census records but can't find him in the 1871 census or in the death records. He was born about 1787 in Kilchoman parish and like his sons Archibald and John, was a tailor in Port Charlotte. If the information on his children's death certificates is correct then he was alive at the time of the death of his daughter Mary Brown (m.s. McLean) in May 1873 but deceased at the time of the death of his daughter Margaret McLean (m.s. McLean) in Jan 1879.
His first wife Margaret died before 1841 and his second wife Mary McLean (m.s. Brown) whom he married in 1842 died in Port Charlotte in 1862. However, I just can't find any trace of Alexander thereafter :(
Kind regards
Stewart
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Hi :)
There's a death showing for an Alexander McLeargan, 1869, Kilchoman. Aged 84. This might well be him.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the fact that it didn't say deceased on Mary's DC.
Gadget
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Hi again Stewart
Did you find anything more on John Brown, husband of Mary and father of Ann? Isalyboy seems to need help on this line:
Annie's father might be the one that is sticking me. I have not been able to find any info on him.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget, I'll check that death.
Regarding Islayboys's query, I have nothing on Annie's father John, but I have found two of her siblings, Flora and Charles.
Regards
Stewart
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Thanks Gadget and Stewart for the info.
Stewart we appear to share a common ancestor in John Brown and Mary Sinclair. I had already confirmed Mary Sinclair's mother and father as John Sinclair and Mary Clarke. I come from the Charles Brown line. In fact we still have the family home in Port Charlotte. At present i am in exile on the mainland but return home as often as i can.
In my book Old Islay, on page 9, is a picture of Neil Brown who was Charles Brown's grandson
Could we share information by e-mail?
I can let you have an old and modern photo of the house.
Regards
islayboy
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Just caught up with your post of Dec 09 and can maybe add a bit extra about Archibald..
Archibald McLean was the second son of
Alexander McLean and Margaret McLean and was born on 15th Aug 1811
in Glasgow where Alex also a Tailor (or Taylor on the wedding record)and Margaret were married in the Gaelic Chapel Glasgow.on 29th Nov 1808.
The next I can find is the birth of a sister to Archibald
in Gearrach Islay on Sept 1 1822 , Isabella, now back to the name McLergan..
Archibald is shown on the 1841 Census living with father Alexander,and sisters Margaret and Isabella but no mother Margaret.
Archibald died on May 21 1881 in Shore St Port Charlotte.
My connection is with Archibalds brother John, also born in Glasgow
on Jan 15th 1810 and died Apr 24 1881 who was my GGGrandfather.
Alexander died in Port Charlote 0n Jan 21st 1869, his death cert again using the old name of McLergan and giving his father as Lachlan McLergan and mother asMary McQuarrie.
Archibald appears to have changed to McLean earlier
than John who was still John McLergan in Coull/Machrie as late as 1861.
Neil Mac
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Hi Neil, many thanks for your post. I have sent you a private message in the hope that we can exchange family information.
Kind regards
Stewart
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I am sorry to but in on this thread of yours,but i was just wondering if the Archibald McLean from Port Charlotte that you are talking about,who died in1881 could have been the one who registered the death of my g(Xxx)grandfather Angus McEachern,d.6 Dec 1862 at Port Charlotte. I only found out about this the day before yesterday,and apparently the death was registered by an Archibald McLean who was a nephew. My Angus' wife,my ggg grandmother,was an Agnes (or Ann) McLean/McLergan.Both born Kilchoman Parish,so Archibald McLean who registered Angus' death is her nephew rather than his.
How common these names were,or how many inhabitants of Port Charlotte there were,I have no idea,but if there is a link here,then I can follow my ggg grandmother's family back using your information.
I'd be very grateful for your thoughts on this,and again - sorry to have butted in!
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Hello Islay 1
No problem about joining in. Glad to hear from you.
I'm not aware of any McEacherns in the family but thats
not to say there are none.
Ann McLean/McLeargan would have to be the sister of
Archibalds father, Alexander. So, to be this Archibald's
nephew Ann's parents would be
Lachlan McLergan and Mary McQuarrie.
I don't know if you know her parents.
We only know of two children of Lachlan and Mary so any addition is welcome.
Archibald McLean was a common name in Port Charlotte, so cannot say
for certain if we have a connection
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Thank you for your reply,Neil,it is such a puzzle this family history,isn't it? I do not know the names of my Ann McLean's parents,which is why I was hoping that there was a link to be found with your Archibald McLean,so that Lachlan and Mary could be in my next generation back too!
I did not know that it was a common name in Port Charlotte,but did wonder.When people are so very far back in time it becomes increasingly difficult to trace them,doesn't it? At least from far away it does,and with my lack of experience! Do you know roughly what the population of Islay would have been in the early to mid 1800s?
I am quite at a loss as to how to proceed next,but will maybe have to have a trip north and visit the lovely island for myself - would love to one day.Thank you again for replying,and good luck with your own search,Carolyn.
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Hi Carolyn, thanks for joining in. I've been away for a few days so have just picked up your post.
Looking through my tree information, I can't see anything obvious that would link any of the Archibald McLeans in my tree to your 3xG.Grandfather. The only McEachern I have in my tree appears in 1887, coincidentally marrying a nephew of my Archibald McLean (b.1811) on his wife's side. However, this is too late to be relevant to your 3xG.Grandfather. As Neil Mac has said below, the link maybe further back in time with Archie's parents awaiting our discovery at some future date. I'm sorry I can't be of more help.
Kind regards
Stewart
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Thank you for taking the time to reply,Stewart,and for looking through the details of your tree.
A shame no link is to be found!I am delighted that with Rootschat help,I have at least found the parents of my g.g.grandfather John Mckechnie,who was born on Islay,and they are Angus McEachern and Agnes McLean.Maybe the story will end there. My dad was so proud of the Islay connection,having been born and brought up in Clydebank.
Good luck with your own searches,best wishes,Carolyn
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Thank you again,Stewart,for a further reply to this that I found this morning,but in my inexperience I was confused about how to send a reply fom the format it arrived in,so have sent you a return message in a new thread - sorry!Many thanks for your continued interest,Carolyn.
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Hello Carolyn,
Just read about your Angus McEachern being from the Oa.
There is an Ann McLean who died in the Oa in 1862 and her spouse
is given as Angus McEachern. If this is the right Ann then her parents
are given as John McLean and Christine Taylor.
This info is listed on the Ted Larson site on Islay at
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/data.htm
This is well worth a look as it covers births deaths and marriages on Islay.
Islay's population reached around 14 to 15000 in the 1830's.
By 1880 was 7500 and is now under 3500.
I'll be offline for a week as I'm off to Islay tomorrow.
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Carolyn
Forgot to add this from the 1851 Census in Ballichatrigan Oa
Angus McEachern Head age 65 in born Kilchoman
Anne McEachern Wife age 64 Born Kilchoman
Anne McEachern a granddaughter age 9 also from Kilchoman
No occupation was given
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Thank you for that information,Neil,and I hope you have an absolutely wonderful time next week on Islay.Best wishes,Carolyn
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Have you checked name alternatives
MLean = McLergan
Brown = McCore (sometimes but I haven't seen it on Islay)
Sue
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Thank you,Sue,for that tip. No,I haven't searched for name alternatives - all this gets very complicated to the inexperienced! The Brown/McCore names are very different from one another,aren't they? I have just returned from three weeks' holiday,and shall get busy continuing my searches in the next couple of days. Thank you for taking the time to have an interest in my puzzle! Best wishes,Islay.
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my archibald mclean from kilchoman, born 1858, had a great grandmother kate mceachern; so mceacherns are in the family.. archibalds mother was lucy graham, her father archibals graham, son of kate mceachern.
this branch of the mcleans moved to greenock and archibald married my great grandmotherbcatherine mcgregor from cambeltown