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Title: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: cjc18967 on Monday 07 September 09 16:28 BST (UK)
Hi
I'm looking for details of a marriage between Maurice Williams born about 1850 in Bristol to Ellen (don't know surname) born in Liverpool also 1850. I have found a possible marriage but I don't know Ellen's surname.

The marriage I have found is Maurice Williams marrying an Ellen Cullen in Bristol September 1869 Volume 6a pg 178. Can this be checked and see if their ages are the same and more importantly that Ellen is from Liverpool. I have checked Lancashire BMD and there is no marriage between the two so it looks like they have married in Maurice's home town of Bristol.

The 1871 census might prove to be useful for either Bristol or Liverpool. But according to 1881 census they had a son called James and he was born in Bristol about 1875 so they might still be in Bristol for 1871.

Colin
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 16:39 BST (UK)
The record of the marriage will not say where Ellen is 'from', only where she was living at time of marriage.

Did they have children? You would be best getting a birth cert of one of the children to find out Ellen's maiden name, to ensure you look for the correct marriage.
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 16:44 BST (UK)
1871 has this Maurice Willams in Birkenhead - not found a Bristol one as yet

RG10 3748 3 9
Birkenhead
William 50
Margaret 48
Maurice 20   bn Birkenhead
John 18
Margaret 16
Mary 12
William 9
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 16:51 BST (UK)
Heres the full 1881 (that I know you already have) to give us all the info

RG11 3601 102 15
Upper William Street Liverpool

Maurice 31 Carter bn Bristol
Ellen 31 bn L'pool
James 6 bn Bristol
William 4 bn Manchester
Elizabeth 2 bn MAnchester
Henry 6 mths bn Manchester
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 16:59 BST (UK)
Disregard the Birkenhead one above - I can see that one in 1891

Whereas here is yours in 1891 - plenty more children

RG12 2969 73 79
9 Elizabeth Street Bootle

Maurice 42 Carter bn Bristol
Ellen 42 bn Liverpool
James 17 Carter bn Clifton
William 15 bn MAnchester
Henry 11 bn Liverpool
Alice 9 bn Bootle
Florence 6 bn Bootle
Sarah 3 bn Bootle
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 17:10 BST (UK)
I cant find a Maurice Williams born Bristol on 1851/61 either  - only two or three born Liverpool/Birkenhead way.
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: cjc18967 on Monday 07 September 09 17:13 BST (UK)
What about Maurice & family in 1901?

Thanks for helping
Colin
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 07 September 09 17:15 BST (UK)
Try MORRIS  ;)
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 17:22 BST (UK)
Which census PastMaster?
I tried that on 1851/61/71/1901
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: cjc18967 on Monday 07 September 09 17:27 BST (UK)
Using FindMyPast they have Naurice Williams, which I thought was another way of speeling Norris. But with the finds in the other census's it makes sense with Maurice Williams.

Colin
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Monday 07 September 09 17:28 BST (UK)
1881 is transcribed Naurice. But image is Maurice if I remeber rightly.
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: cjc18967 on Monday 07 September 09 17:36 BST (UK)
Using FindMyPast 1901 has a Maurice Williams about same age and in Liverpool but At the moment I can't buy credits to see if it is the same man and family.

Could anyone check Ancestry.co.uk to see if they have the census info I'm after.

Colin
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 07 September 09 18:07 BST (UK)
1861 has a Morris born Bedminster, parents Thomas & Dorothy    .... cant see him (they are there tho) in 1871?
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 08 September 09 10:39 BST (UK)
That looks useful - if the marriage cjc18967 is right he was married by 1871.

I think we need a birth cert of a child to confirm Ellen's maiden name - that will in turn confirm if that 1869 marriage to Ellen Cullen is correct. If so, then that marriage cert will give name of Maurice's father, and so confirm whether or not the Thomas and Dorothy one is him.

Without certs it is all rather speculative.

(Past Master now Passed Master - what have you passed? !)


Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 08 September 09 10:56 BST (UK)
Hi all  :)

In 1871 at Bedminster, there's a 21 year old Ellen Williams born Liverpool, Seaman's wife with a 7 months old daughter Elizabeth born Clifton.
RG10/2507 36 12
Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 08 September 09 11:09 BST (UK)
Were the 1901 missing?

1901
RG13/3464 15 21
Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire
17 Garden Lane

Maurice Williams, head, 53, Railway Carter, b. Glos Bristol
Ellen, wife, 53, b. Lancs Liverpool
James, son, mar, 27, Railway Carter, b. Bristol
William, son, mar, 25, Ships Fireman, b. Manchester
Henry, son, mar, 21, ditto, b. Liverpool
Alice, dau, s, 19, Packer Jam Works, b. do.
Florence, dau, s, 16, Housemaid domestic, b. do.
Sarah Ann, dau, 14, b. Bootle
Margeret Gaskel, lodger, s, 20, Housemaid domestic, b. do.
James Do(u/n)gal, lodger, s, 21, Stoker Gas Works, b. Ireland

Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: BOOTH HUNTER on Sunday 30 October 11 13:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Colin,

I think we are relations(distant ;-) ...currently researching the very same Maurice and Ellen (Cullen) Williams...of Bristol and Liverpool...which line of the siblings of these two do you come from?

My line is via their daughter Florence b.1885 she married Reginald Abbott...

email me and let me know if we are the same ancestry link!

thank you

Title: Re: marriage of Maurice Williams
Post by: htwill on Saturday 17 March 12 14:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

I'm also descended from Florence and Reginald.

Please let me and let me know where you fit in and hopefully we'll be able to exchange details.

Thanks

Howell