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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: GYPSYROSELEE on Saturday 05 September 09 21:29 BST (UK)
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??? i am looking for info on fredrick holland born abt 1810 i have a marriage cert and he married a lady called selina clayton in 1853 in coalville leicetershire. his dads name was robert holland and thier trade was a chair bottomer i dont know fredricks mums name. but my family is very hard to find i dont know where to look next. with thanks
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where does he give as a birthplace in census?
Pauline
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Hi
and he married a lady called selina clayton in 1853 in coalville leicetershire.
What date did they marry in 1853
This is the only freebmd entry for 1853 and it does not link to a Selina Clayton
Marriages September qtr 1853
HOLLAND Frederick Leicester 7a 251
Ashby de la Zouch was the registration district for Coalville
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The only census entry for a Frederick & Selina Holland is 1871
Frederick 35 (1836) b London & Selina 28 (1843) b Kensington and maiden name Whiting
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As you have the marriage certificate and as Frederick was 43 when they married - was he shown as a bachelor or a widower
How old was Selina and what was her fathers name
Was she shown as a spinster or as a widow
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he was a bachelor and selina was a spinster she was 31 year old and her farthers name was brinkton clayton
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What date did they marry in 1853
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on the cert it says 1853
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It MUST give a day & month..
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the day and month is the 22nd march 1853
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Selina is ClayDON in freebmd (Mar qtr 1852, vol 7a , p 147)
& he's FredRick
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She was Selina CLAYDON according to the GRO index
The reason we need this info is to try and find them on the 1851 census to establish their respective birthplaces
We cannot find any other info on Frederick until we know where he was born
Have you reason to believe that Frederick & Selina were Gypsies (travellers)
What were the names, birthyears and birthplaces of any of their children born before 1861 as there is no obvious census entry for this couple
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Deaths March qtr 1857
Holland Selina Ashby de la Zouch 7a *
Births March qtr 1857
Holland Selina Ashby de la Zouch 7a 102
The death is either the child or the mother
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in 1871 census there was a spelling mistake made on thier last name it is under wollam, i have just noticed that on the cert it is selina and on the census it is spelt celenea. thier childrens names are moses born ravenstone 1854/5, susannah 1862, fredrick 1864.
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in 1871 census there was a spelling mistake made on thier last name it is under wollam, i have just noticed that on the cert it is selina and on the census it is spelt celenea. thier childrens names are moses born ravenstone 1854/5, susannah 1862, fredrick 1864.
on the marriage cert there is an x because they couldnt write thier name
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Per IGI at www.familysearch.org - no guarantees it's the right entry
FREDERIC HOLLAND Christening: 17 APR 1813 Medbourne Cum Holt Leicester Father ROBERT HOLLAND Mother ANNE
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Pauline asked
where does he give as a birthplace in census?
but you did not reply
I posted
We cannot find any other info on Frederick until we know where he was born
You already have the 1871 census which gives both their birthplaces as Ratby so why didn't you include that info in your post - it would have saved us a great deal of time and effort
SELINA CLAYDON Christening: 10 OCT 1824 Ratby Leicester, Father: BRIGHTON CLAYDON Mother: MARIA
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sorry there was someone else asking me for info i must have sent it to them by mistake. thank you for finding fredrick i will look in to that a bit more to find out if its him
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It MUST give a day & month..
sorry it was ratby
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Pauline asked
where does he give as a birthplace in census?
but you did not reply
I posted
We cannot find any other info on Frederick until we know where he was born
You already have the 1871 census which gives both their birthplaces as Ratby so why didn't you include that info in your post - it would have saved us a great deal of time and effort
SELINA CLAYDON Christening: 10 OCT 1824 Ratby Leicester, Father: BRIGHTON CLAYDON Mother: MARIA
thank you your a star
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Hi GypsyRoseLee
There's a complete family tree for your Selina Clayton/Claydon, dau of Brington Clayton, and her siblings, in a book published in July 2009 by the Romany and Traveller FHS: www.rtfhs.org.uk
The book's called "The Family Trees of Francis and Mary Clayton and John and Mary Booth", by Eric Trudgill.
Best wishes
Sharon