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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: scruffypup on Friday 04 September 09 18:56 BST (UK)
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Hi
I was wondering if anyone could help find out what happened to one of my hubby's ancestors Alexandrina MacDonald after the 1851 Census, here's all the info I have on her
ALEXANDRINA MACDONALD 1820 Lochbroom, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland to William MCDONALD and Jane Matheson Bapt on 31 July 1820. Hector Mitchell, aged abt 45, married Alexandrina Macdonald, aged abt 21, on 22 June 1842 in Tain, Ross & Cromerty. They had 5 children: Jane 1843, ALEXANDER born 8 Feb 1845 Fearne, Ross & Cromerty, Scotland Bapt 17 Feb 1845. JANET born 9 Oct 1847 Fearn, Ross & Cromerty, Scotland Bapt 17 Oct 1847. Jessie 1848, ANNIE 1850 TAIN Ross-Shire Scotland
1851 Ross and Cromarty Hector Mitchell 55 Alexandrina Mitchell 30 Jane Mitchell 8 Alexander Mitchell 6 Jessie Mitchell 3 Ann Mitchell 4 Mo. Hector died later the same year.
Julie
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Hi
Have you checked SP for a possible re-marriage for Alexandrina? She was only 30 in 1851
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I've had a look again on Ancestry tonight and not found anything, interestingly enough I was tempted to put this query under Yorkshire as her daughter Jane moved to Pickering sometime before 1870 and married John Nellis, and from then on Jane appears in the Pickering census returns but no sign of her mum living with them,
There is a clue from a GR member who had Ann aged 9 in 1861 and by her marriage in 1875 to Christopher Garton in Pickering she was 22 Moved to Pickering to join older sister Jane. Appears in 1871 as 17, living with sister Jane (Nellis),39, in Pickering. so perhaps Mum could have followed. I've not found Ann in 1861 but the jump from being aged 9 to 22 in 10 years seems quite a gap.
Julie
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But have you checked SP for a re-marriage or even possibly a death for her between 1851-1861??
Without that info - you could waste a lot of time searching both English and Scottish censuses for her
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Hi Julie and Carole
Julie, Alexandrina and family are showing in Fearn for 1861:
Alexanderina Mitchell 38, pauper b. Rogart, Sutherlandshire
Alexander Mitchell 16, lab. b. Fearn
Jess Mitchell 11 b. Fearn
Ann Mitchell 9 b.Tain
Address: Blacktown, Fearn
Assuming you have verified the children for Hector and Alexandrina, her birth place in 1861 shows differently to what you have. From the above entry in 1861, there is this possible birth entry showing on IGI:
ALEXANDERINA MACDONALD Birth: 17 NOV 1822/ Christening: 19 NOV 1822 Rogart, Sutherland,
Parents: ALEXANDER MACDONALD and JANE SUTHERLAND
Monica
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Alexandrina is also showing as born in Rogart Sutherland in her 1851 census entry with Hector and family. A likely death for her in Fearn in 1865.
Monica
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Hi Monica
Thanks for that. I was looking for a Lochbroom Ross & Cromarty birthplace which is why I could not find her in 1861
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We got there Carole :)
Julie, I think your data sources might need to be checked for the family. From what your GR source said re Ann Mitchell, she is down in Pickering but working at the Atkinson household as a domestic servant - RG10; Piece: 4841; Folio: 13; Page: 20
Added: You said you have access to Ancestry. Have you checked the member family trees? There are lots for this family of Hector and Alexandrina some including photos.
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Hi Monica and Carole
Many thanks both of you. I only have limited access to Ancestry records when I use the library version unfortunately I haven't got an Ancestry subscription at home only the free membership. Will check out the info when I'm next in the library.
When I first started on hubby's side of the family I remember the alternate birth for Alexandrina, but other GR members had her down as Lochbroom so I thought I must be wrong. I didn't have her details from the 1851 Census showing birthplace wish I had done before it would have made the pieces fit much better in this family tree puzzle. the 1861 census does seem to confirm her birthplace as Rogart, so thank you for that I'm so glad I have a chance to check out the original family I had for her before printing all his family tree info out.
I've been collecting the scanned images while in the library of the census returns, done most of mine just starting on hubbys that's why I thought before I go looking for them and see if I can find any missing details, birthplaces, occupations etc I'll check out these last few problem families where they seem to have disappeared into thin air.
Many thanks for all your help it is appreciated.
Julie
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Hiya Julie et al,
you seem to be on the right track now. For sake of exclusion, here is some more data on the Alexanderina you note, you wrote;
ALEXANDRINA MACDONALD 1820 Lochbroom, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland to William MCDONALD and Jane Matheson Bapt on 31 July 1820...
I have a copy of that page, only the father is noted, resident at Dornie in Coigach. The family later emigrated to Cape Breton, where the father was known as "Big William the Pioneer" and there are many descendants. His wife was Johanna MacKenzie, daughter of John McKenzie, VI of Ballone, and Anne MacKenzie. That Alexanderina died 1920 at Mount Florence, Coxheath, Cape Breton, N.S.
See
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~coigach/nother.htm#bigwill
Donald.
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Hi Don :)
Were those Macdonalds related to old Telfer of Polglass/Badenscallie who went to Australia and then came back (died 1980s)? or did the whole family emigrate to Canada?
Gadget
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Hiya Gadget,
you wrote;
Where those Macdonalds related to old Telfer of Polglass/Badenscallie who went to Australia and then came back (died 1980s)? or did the whole family emigrate to Canada?
accckkkk.... closer I get to the present, fuzzier I get, "Telford" not in the records I have...
Big William was the last I know of the Dornie MacDs, descendants say he was from Letters in Lochbroom, but looks to me he was in the 1798 Militia List there, with father Murdo...
Also then at Dornie were a father and son John MacDonald, quite likely the father John a brother of Murdo. Only 33 of the 560 listees in 1798 were MacDs, so quite a wee cluster.
Very good chance the MacDonald family at Badenscallie descended from the two 1798 Johns at Dornie...
Donald.
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Hi Donald and Gadget
Thanks for all the extra info, you guys certainly know your stuff about the other MacD's. I'm not very good at Scottish history only a wee southerner (from Yorkshire) with some Scottish ancestors from Dysart/Gallatown. I'm still trying to work out where my ancestors fit in with the Bonallie/Impey papers and "the undertakers" on my side of the family, so hope I'm not opening up some clan warfare by coming from the wrong side here :)
I'll amend hubby's tree and I know a few Nellis descendants who will be interested to have the right info on Alexandrina now that we know we are looking at Rogart and not Lochbroom.
Julie
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Julie
One of the best ways of confirming you have the right details for Alexandrina would be for one of you to look at the death entry in 1865 :) Scottish death certs are more informative that English certs and will include, if known to the informant, spouse's details and full names of the deceased parents including mother's maiden name.
Images of BMDs, and original census imges, are available to view on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. A minimum purchase of 30 units (£6) will let you view up to 6 images whch is excellent value. If you are only looking to get Alexandrina's death cert, you could register free with Scotlands People and then take advantage of the promotion with www.ancestralscotland.com/signup/register/ which is offering 10 free Scotlands People units, enough really to look at one image :) You can save the image on your computer and print off as required.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica
Thanks for the info, will give it a go when I get a chance.
Just noticed you have Moran's in your names at the bottom, one of hubby's many great gran's was a Mary Moran/Moren c1807 in Ireland married a Lawrence Gallaher 3 June 1833 in St Michaels' Ashton under Lyne, so maybe somewhere down the line you are distantly related.
Julie
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Went to Nova Scotia
Try http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1553151&id=I593054152