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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: magicnanny on Thursday 03 September 09 18:51 BST (UK)
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This is from a old family bible which is from Wales with no idear of its history ..and very hard to read .
The Surnames are JONES . the list is ........
William Jones 1845,born Llangadockk
Ann "" 1848 Dinas Cross fishguard
Maggie ""Llwynppiatonypandy
David""1895 Aberdare
John""1896LLwynpia
Willi""1848BlainaGwent mon
Thomas ""1880 Trealaw
CAth Mary ??1882 Traelaw
Even ""1884 Tralaw tonypandy.........I would love to know the connection with them ...
i don't know if they are siblings i can;t find them altogether anywhere .......
ANY HELP ...would be appreciated many thanks Magic
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Hi I believe I have found some of your family on the 1881 census living at Brithweunydd Rd Trealaw, the only thing that does not fit is William Jones birthplace,in your bible it says he was born in Llangadock but in the census it gives his birthplace as Llandeilo, both these places are in Carmarthen but I do not know if they are close to one another.
1881 census
William Jones HD. 37 born Llandeilo Carm. Railway Police
Ann Jones W 32 born Fishguard
Margaret Jones D 8 born Ystradfodwg Glam
David Jones S 6 born Aberdare
John Jones S 4 born Ystradfodwg
William Jones S 2 born Aberystwith Mon
Thomas Jones S 11 months born Ystradfodwg
Best Wishes Bethan
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Hi found them all on the 1891 living at 56 Miskin Road Trealaw
William Jones 45 Signalman CMN. Llandeilo
Ann............. 42 Wife Dinas Pemb
Magaret.......18 D Schoolteacher
David..............16 S Miner
John..............14 S Miner
William...........12 S Miner
Thomas.........10 S Scholar
Catherine Mary...8 D Scholar
Evan...........6 S Scholar
Best Wishes Bethan
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Hi Bethan, Thankyou so much that has helped me alot .......I' now have something to go on .
The only thing is the dates don't seem to add up .I know that they sometimes rounded them up to the 0 or 5 ........but there is a big difference between Maggie ,David ,Willie.
the date's are clear in the Bible ,so still a little confused . I wonder if they are on the 1901 .anywhere or the children
It does seem so much of a coincidence for them not to have been the mentioned family on cences .
William snr 'My date is,1845.........census 1844
Ann " My' date is 1848...................1849
Maggie" """""""""" 1893....................1873
David ...."""""""""" 1895......................1875
John. """"""""""" 1896....................1877
Willie """"""""""" 1848...............1879
Thomas """"""""" 1880...................1881
Cartherine Mary """" 1882.................1883
Even """"""""" 1884 ..................1885
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Hi Magic I wonder if in the case of Maggie and David the 7's are rounded off and look like 9's.
Another possibility is that some of the dates are death dates and not birth dates, but apart from the dates being a little bit off the places of birth all match.
Catherine and Evan were born in Ystradfodwg and Trealaw is in Ystradfodwg, as is Llwynypia where Maggie and John and Thomas were born.
David was born in Aberdare the same as in the Bible and the Mother Ann's birthplace is spot on.
The only birthplace that is a bit off is William the Father, but both the places named in the census and the bible are in Carmarthen.
I am 99% sure this is the same family, unfortunately I do not have the 1901 census to help you, but I am sure that there is someone on the forum who can do a lookup for you.
Good Luck and best wishes Bethan
Ps... Just had another thought, maybe the dates in the Bible were the dates of christenings, some people did not get christened until they were adults due to get married
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Bethan, Yes ' do see where you are coming from now .........you are right it does add-up .I' have asked about Llangadock....& Llandeilo a short time ago ,and somebody has come back with its only 5miles apart . So yes another connection . Thank you once again for your help .
It will be nice to put it altogether names & places , as its such a lovely old welsh bible .
Magic
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HELP ................not having much luck been trying to find them on 1901 ...anybody out there , maybe have a look for me .......lots of thanks . magic
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Hi magicnanny,
They are at 27 Miskin Road, Ystradyfodwg and these are the details:-
William Jones Head, Widower, 54, b Llangaddock, Carmarthenshire
John Jones Son, 24, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad, Glamorgan
William Jones Son, 21, Coal Hewer, b Aberystruth, Monmouth
Thomas Jones Son, 19, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad
Cath M Jones Daughter, 18, Housekeeper b Ystrad
Evan Jones Son, 15, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad
I think Llangaddock is an anglicised version of Llangadog and presumably Ystrad is short for Ystradyfodwg. The whole family were bilingual. The father's occupation looks like 'Porter on T.V. Railway'.
Cheers,
Gwyn
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T.V. Railway looks to be Taff Vale Railway rather than something to do with Thomas the Tank or Ivor the Engine!
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Interesting with William ! He started off as railway police ,then signalman ,then a porter ..... he seemed to have gone down the ladder instead of up if you see what i mean . Sorry but not from Wales are all these places in the same sort of area .. many thanks for your help .
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Llangadock/Llangadog is in Dyfed not far from Llandeilo:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=Llangadog&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Dinas Cross is in Dyfed near to Fishguard which fits in with the 1881 census:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Dinas%20Cross&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Llwynypia, Trealaw and Ystrad are a few miles apart in the Rhondda Valley. I think Ystradyfodwg is the name of the parish or the area - not sure:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Llwynypia&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Blaina is near Abertillery:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=blaina&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
And this is Aberdare:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=aberdare&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Don't think I've missed anywhere. You can zoom in and out of the maps to see where the various places are in relation to the rest of Wales.
Cheers,
Gwyn
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I was helping a colleague from the Rhondda to look up his family recently, and discovered (to his and my surprise) that Ystradyfodwg was the original name of the Rhondda.
It appears that during the 19th century the population in Wales was very mobile, and many families appeared at different locations with each census, presumably following work about. And once they got to the valleys it was common for families to move from one valley to another (they are all relatively close) depending on where work in the mines or the ironworks was available.
Regards
Greensleeves
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Interesting with William ! He started off as railway police ,then signalman ,then a porter ..... he seemed to have gone down the ladder instead of up if you see what i mean . Sorry but not from Wales are all these places in the same sort of area .. many thanks for your help .
Hi magic nanny,
While William appears to have gone down the grades, he may not have done. The first Railway Policemen were responsible for signalling the trains as well as law enforcement. This lasted until well into the latter part of the nineteenth century, when with the mechanisation of signalling many former Railway Policemen were regraded to Signalmen, with responsiblity solely for signalling the trains, as still is the case today. In fact even today Signalmen are still often referred to "Bobbbies" by other railwaymen - a throw back to the origins of the position.
Signalmen were graded and paid according to the size of the signalbox they worked and how busy it was. Those who remained as signalmen would aspire to be promoted to a bigger and busier signalbox and with it the increase in pay. However, on the quieter lines it was often possible for a man to transfer to another grade and still attain more money. So possibly this is what William did when he became a Porter.
Trealwa was on the Taff Vale's Rhondda Fawr branch which ran from Porth up to Treherbert. Trealaw station was known for most of its existence as Tonypandy & Trealaw, as the two villages are close together and the station served both. This was quite a busy lien with frequent coal trains running from the pits down to Cardiff and the other coastal ports.
Unfortunately railway staff records for any grade/job are few and far between these days. For example the National Archive at Kew has only three documents relating to the Taff Vale Railway Police, only one of which gives any names of men employed as such. This is dated 1858 and while the Rhondda Fawr branch was opened to goods traffic in 1846, the list doesn't contain details of any men stationed up this line.
I was interested to read your thread as I have been studying the railway police for a number of years now. Do you know anything else about William, such as where he was stationed?
Llanelly