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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: emmab57 on Tuesday 01 September 09 23:05 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Can anyone help me with the following. I would like to know where any of the following are buried. They all lived in and around Wolsingham.
Elizabeth Johnson (1877) daughter of Robert Johnson and Henrietta Jackson. Roberts parents were Thomas and Jane Johnson, I do not know Jane's maiden name yet. Henrietta's parents were John Wren Vipond Jackson and Dorothy Davison. I know his first wife Agnes dies after the birth of a daughter Agnes.
Elizabeth (above) married my great grandfather James Wilson.
Any info would be greatly appreciated, I live in Cornwall and will not be able to visit for some time!
Thanks
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Hello
Can anyone help me find the baptism of Elizabeth Johnson 1877 born in Wolsingham? She was the daughter of Robert Johnson and Henrietta Jackson. I think 1877 is acurate as I have her marriage certificate to James Wilson.
I would like to obtain her birth certificate but I have found alot of possibles on ancestry and I cannot guess which entry is right! Can anyone shed any light??
Many thanks
Emma
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Hi Emma
You may already have these baptisms:
Wolsingham St. Mary & St. Stephen
11 Aug 1850 Henrietta Jackson, of Wolsingham, daughter of John Wren Vipond Jackson (grocer) by his wife Dorothy
Wolsingham St. Mary & St. Stephen
22 Apr 1847 Robert Johnson, of Wolsingham, son of Thomas Johnson (gardener) by his wife Jane
I see you've posted a request for Elizabeth's baptism.
It would be helpful to know the birthdates of all the others as that will help when checking for burials/death registrations. Do you have their birthdates from census etc and have you looked for their deaths in the GRO index?
Barbara :)
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Hi Emma,
Wolsingham comes under Weardale reg district. The only birth registration I can see in Weardale is this one:
Jun 1878 Weardale 10a 322
JOHNSON Elizabeth Annie
You could always check with the local registrar for parents' names before buying the certificate, they usually will do that free if you are buying the cert.
You can order this one online from the Durham County website at http://www.rootschat.com/links/070p/ or download the application form and mark your query on it if not sure if it's the right one, and post it to them.
If you order through the GRO they make a charge of £3 for reference checking, but if it's right that's included in the £7 cert fee
Barbara :)
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I've just realised that that birth registration may be for this Elizabeth, so wouldn't be right, sorry:
Baptisms Weardale District
Tow Law Wesleyan Methodist Church
30 May 1878 Elizabeth Ann Johnson, of Tow Law, born 26 Apr 1878, child of Thomas Johnson & Elizabeth
Barbara
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1881 census shows Elizabeth as aged 8 so born 1873 not 1877
http://www.rootschat.com/links/070q/
1891 census RG12 Piece 4085 Folio 30 Page 15
Pack Horse, Market Place, Wolsingham, Durham
JOHNSON
Henrietta head widow 39 Inn Keeper
Elizabeth dau unm 18 Dressmaker Apprentice
Annie " " 16
Jane " 12 Scholar
Robert son 10 "
Thomas " 8 "
John W V " 6 "
William R " 4
all born Wolsingham
confirming her birth year as 1873
Barbara
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So maybe this is her birth reg:
1872 Dec Weardale 10a 329 JOHNSON Elizabeth
You could find that on the Durham CC website link that I gave earlier and order the cert through them
Are you sure of her age on the marriage cert? Mistakes do occur on certificates
Barbara :)
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As you'll see from my reply on your other post, the 1891 census shows Henrietta as a widow, and youngest son aged 4, so at least you know that Robert Johnson died between 1886 & 1891
Do you have all the census for the other people, to give some idea when they all may have died?
Barbara
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Thank you Barbara,
I only know that Elizabeth was born in 1877 from Census/marriage certificate. I do not know her date of birth. I found about 4 or 5 possibles on birth registrations. How do I look at GRO death index. I assume that I do so on ancestry?
I do have the two baptisms you have mentioned, they are the only ones I have. I will have a look at the census records that I have and see what I can figure out. Thanks, I will get some more to you, sorry I am a bit of a novice still!
Emma
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Hi Barbara,
I think you are right. It appears that 1873 is right. Her marriage certificate is wrong then! I will have a go and order that one.
Thank you so much for your help. I will let you know how I get on!
Emma
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Maybe it's just a genuine mistake, though she wouldn't be the first to give an incorrect age on a certificate! My husband's grandmother was 'full age' eg over 21 on hers, but we know she was only 17, and I've seen others where the husband seemed to lose 10 years, maybe because he was marrying someone much younger
Do check details before you part with your cash though, and look forward to hearing if it was the right one
Barbara :)
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Hi Emma,
Don't apologise, it can get a bit confusing when you're just starting out. If we don't get the information we'd like, we just ask you for more!
Think we've sorted Elizabeth's birth on the other thread, haven't we? A possible mistake on the marriage cert - so born c1873 not 1877 and you say you're sending for the birth cert.
:)
Still looking for possible death dates for the others
Kind regards
Barbara
:)
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Threads now merged so a bit confusing but not as much as before I hope!
Andrea
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Thanks Andrea :)
Hi Emma,
How do I look at GRO death index. I assume that I do so on ancestry?
Sorry I missed this question earlier. Yes the full GRO index is on ancestry if you have a subscription, and on findmypast - pay-to-view or subscription. You should also be able to look at it free at your local main library. Freebmd is free, but not quite complete yet.
Barbara :)
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1891 census shows Henrietta as a widow, and youngest son aged 4, so at least you know that Robert Johnson died between 1886 & 1891
I think this is probably Robert's death registration, the age and district fits
Jun 1890 Weardale 10a 162 JOHNSON Robert aged 43
and Henrietta's death reg:
Mar 1902 Weardale 10a 168 JOHNSON Henrietta aged 50
Dec 1887 Weardale 10a 154 JACKSON John Wren V aged 81
Jun 1888 Weardale 10a 150 JACKSON Dorothy aged 72
Barbara
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Wow!
Thank you Barbara.
I have noted all those and will order certificates when funds allow! On maternity at the moment so I have to pace myself! I get so impatient though.
Will keep you posted on the Elizabeth front! :-\
Regards Emma
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Oh and forgot to say looked at Elizabeth on the 1901 census when she was married to James Wilson and her age then makes her born in 1875!!
That is now three conflicting dates, do you still think that I should go for 1873?
Emma
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Hi Emma,
The birth reg I gave you for 1872 is the only one in that area that fits. Lots of census and certificate ages can be misleading, depending on who gave the information :)
Here are all the Weardale baptisms:
Sep 1870 Weardale 10a 291 Johnson Elizabeth too early
Dec 1872 Weardale 10a 329 JOHNSON Elizabeth best guess!
Sep 1873 Weardale 10a 364 Johnson Elizabeth Ann a possible but yours doesn't seem to have middle name Ann?
Jun 1878 Weardale 10a 322 JOHNSON Elizabeth Annie too late and not right parents as I found out earlier
If you contact Durham Registrars on the link I gave you, and tell them what you need and who her parents were, they should be able to confirm which is correct
You could always check with the local registrar for parents' names before buying the certificate, they usually will do that free if you are buying the cert.
You can order this one online from the Durham County website at http://www.rootschat.com/links/070p/ or download the application form and mark your query on it if not sure if it's the right one, and post it to them.
The Anglican church in Wolsingham is this one, where the baptisms you have took place, so maybe where they were all buried:
http://www.keystothepast.info/durhamcc/K2P.nsf/K2PDetail?readform&PRN=D14349
and burial records are at Durham County Record Office:
http://www.durham-miner.org.uk/RecordOffice/dro.nsf/web/parishes/Wolsingham+St.+Mary+and+St.+Stephen
Barbara :)
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Emma,
I know it was a long time since you started this chat but I think we have relatives in common. John W V Johnson born 1885 was my grandfather and it seems a younger brother of your great grandfather's wife Elizabeth. I am only just starting to try and track down members of the family and their history and would be very grateful for any help you could give.
AndreaT
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Hi Andrea,
I have sent you a message with my contact details so that we can share history!
Barbara.....sorry for the long delay in an update, I found the right one thanks to your help and guidance so thank you very much
Kindest regards
Emma