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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ringy on Monday 31 August 09 22:25 BST (UK)
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I am searching information about Arthur and Hannah Munger. Unusual surname, I know. ;)
Their son, my grandfather (Dennis Munger) was born in Chiswick, 1922 and died in 2002 in Berkshire. He had several sisters. I don't know much about them. One of them I believe was/is called Shirley.
Would be very intersting to hear if anyone has information.
Regards
Ryan.
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Hi Ryan
A possible birth for him
Dennis W Munger
1922
Mothers maiden name Thompson
June Quarter
Brentford
Herts/ Oxon/ Bucks, Middlesex
vol 3a
page 361
ricky
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If the above is correct, then this might be also
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ricky
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And two more
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Nell
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And the parent's marriage
Arthur Munger to Annie Thompson
Mar 1920 Kensington 1a 393
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Hi Ryan
I have sent you a PM as some of this information is getting too close to the present day.
Regards
Nell
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Hi
Please read the guidance at the top of the London and Middlesex board about posting on Rootschat - a very public website. Google has Rootshcat topics indexed within hours of posting.
RootsChat is a forum for searching for ancestors
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403279.0.html
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex board
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Hi
Please read the guidance at the top of the London and Middlesex board about posting on Rootschat - a very public website. Google has Rootshcat topics indexed within hours of posting.
RootsChat is a forum for searching for ancestors
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403279.0.html
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex board
That is what we are doing, seems a bit OTT to delete the postings, as we dont know if they are dead or have married. Which we didnt post anything to say they were still alive today, just the possible births for them, which may or may not be correct ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky
Actually personally I wouldn't want my own birth registration details published on the internet in such a public forum as Rootschat.
For anyone over the age of 50 their birth registration details are all that is needed to obtain that person's birth certificate - no other information is necessary.
Once posts begin with information supplied on potential living people more posters add further information they find. Nell is quite correct to post
'I have sent you a PM as some of this information is getting too close to the present day'
Rootschat policy is very clear
Please do not post requests asking for help to find (possibly) living relatives or friends.
RootsChat is a forum for searching for ancestors. Anything posted on the internet is in the public domain where anybody can see this information. To protect people and their identities we do not encourage the posting of information about people who are or maybe still living.
Please see
Searching for living relatives and Rootschat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html
Please send the information you have found through the pm system. The poster will then be able to clarify whether it is for the correct people or not.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda
But on another posting on this site, date's of births was given from 1901 to 1911, so tech speaking they could still be alive ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky
There were two posts placed on this thread. One for a birth registration in the middle 1930s and one for two birth registrations in the 1920s. I know lots of people still alive born in the 1930s, now relatively few from the 1920s. It was a straigtforward decision to delete the post of the birth registration in the 1930s and it was logical to do the same for the 1920s and give a full explanation of the reasoning behind the action. As I said in my previous email if I didn't put a notice on this post about sending further more modern information by pm then when I came back to the topic I might find more information had been posted.
Births at the beginning of the C20th are now much less likely to still be alive, but again it is also about the context of the post. If the topic is about trying to research back from the 1911 and 1901 censuses (the former close to the 100 year ruling) then really there is little issue because more modern information is not being asked - the poster knows the modern. However as in this case the encouragement was to come forward from the early 1920s and trace potentially living relatives and their descendants.
Certainly any births before the 100 year ruling are fine. Close to the 100 year ruling is more of a grey area depending on the post and if the information given shows the person has died. The 1920s is definitely a time period where more people are still living (in their 80s) or have relatively recently died and if the latter is the case you certainly don't want to upset close living relatives either. For these later births either pm or refer the poster to FreeBMD to find the information out for themselves. The coverage charts for FreeBMD for births show almost a 100% coverage for births up to 1930 and increasing coverage of the early 1930s
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progressB.shtml#1910
As I said Rootschat policy is quite clear, this website is about researching our ancestors - going back in time and not coming forward to find potentially still living people and their descendants.
Regards
Valda
co-moderator London and Middlesex
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Hello,
Regarding: 'Please do not post requests asking for help to find (possibly) living relatives or friends.'
Sorry if anyone has been misled here. I was looking ONLY for information of my ancestors, it is why I joined rootschat.com... but I had to use my grandfather (who passed away 7 years ago) as a reference point. The aim is to head backwards, to see what we can find! :) You'll see that I didn't actually post a request to find a possibly living relative but just wanted some information in general (meaning some reference points, heading backwards). I suppose everybody needs to take care about posting replies if they think that the relative may still be alive. It is clearly not wise to post precise birth dates with names of those you may think still be alive!
Still, I am sure we can move on from this now!
Thanks
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Hello again. Valda, sorry.. regarding your statement: 'However as in this case the encouragement was to come forward from the early 1920s and trace potentially living relatives and their descendants.'
That isn't really true on my part. The very first two sentences in my post were actually:
I am searching information about Arthur and Hannah Munger. Their son, my grandfather (Dennis Munger) was born in Chiswick, 1922 and died in 2002 in Berkshire.
These are the parents of my grandfather (who died in 2002)! This is the direction I was heading... so I am not really sure why people were inclined to head forward on this post.
Never mind,
Thanks.
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Hi Ringy
I am searching information about Arthur and Hannah Munger. Unusual surname, I know. ;)
Their son, my grandfather (Dennis Munger) was born in Chiswick, 1922 and died in 2002 in Berkshire. He had several sisters. I don't know much about them. One of them I believe was/is called Shirley.
Would be very intersting to hear if anyone has information.
Regards
Ryan.
It wasnt our intention to put people's names on here who may be alive today, I posted a couple of possible sisters for you born around 1922/1923.
ricky
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Yes, I understand Ricky. Really, we should all understand that we are looking for ancestors in this forum. I am grateful for people willing to help out but I didn't wish to seek information about modern relatives. Perhaps I should have highlighted that more clearly but I thought it was understood by the nature of the website. When I said that I didn't know much about his sisters, I meant it to mean that I didn't have the information for reference points, in order to find more information about Arthur and Hannah Munger. Sorry, if that wasn't clear. :-\ As I said, I was searching for information about Arthur and Hannah Munger - it even says it in the posting subject. ;) I did get some help in that direcation and thanks to those for helping! ;D
Anyway... :D
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Hi Ringy
A possible for your Arthur Munger
1901
Ebenezer Munger head mar 42 gen lab Oxon ???
Charlotte " wife mar 36 Herts Warsley?
Edith " dau u/m 12 Middlesex Chiswick
Emily " dau u/m 10 "
Frederick " son u/m 8 "
Ellen " dau u/m 7 "
Daisy " dau u/m 4 "
Arthur " son u/m 3 "
Albert " son u/m 1 "
living at 39 Rockett Road?, Chiswick, Brentford, Middlesex
Rg13/ 1198
folio 54
page 34
To be sure this is the right person, be best to get the marriage cert that was put on the thread earlier :)
regards
ricky
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Hi Ringy
What you have so far is your grandfather's birth reference and a potential marriage of his parents.
Births Jun 1922 Munger Dennis W Thompson Brentford 3a 361
Brentford registration district covers Chiswick and your grandfather's death registration states Dennis William and a birthdate of 29th March - so his birth was registered in the following June quarter probably in April.
I think you will need to obtain his parents marriage certificate to be able to research his mother since her name Thompson is a common surname unless you have any further information on her.
Marriages Mar 1920
Munger Arthur Thompson Kensington 1a 393
Thompson Annie Munger Kensington 1a 393
This is the only female Thompson and male Munger marriage
You can obtain the certificate from the GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Munger is a rarer name so much easier to follow.
This seems the likely candidate for your great grandfather
Births Sep 1898
MUNGER Arthur Brentford 3a 117
There are only three other Arthur Munger birth registrations between 1870 and 1910 and the other three all have middle names and are not registered in the London area. Obtaining Arthur's marriage details will confirm his father anyway but this is the 1901 census information for the Arthur born in 1898 in Chiswick.
1901 census RG13 1198 folio 54
39 Reckett Road Chiswick
Ebenezer Munger 42 Head Married General labourer Towersey Oxon
Charlotte Munger 36 Wife Married Wormley Herts
Edith Munger 12 Daughter Chiswick Middlesex
Emily Munger 10 Daughter Chiswick Middlesex
Frederick Munger 8 Son Chiswick Middlesex
Ellen Munger 7 Daughter Chiswick Middlesex
Daisy Munger 4 Daughter Chiswick Middlesex
Arthur Munger 3 Son Chiswick Middlesex
Albert Munger 1 Son Chiswick Middlesex
Because of copyright reasons you cannot request a search of the 1911 census, you will have to do the look up yourself.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
1891 census RG12 1033 folio 123
13 Quick Road Chiswick
Ebenezer Munger 31 Head Married Carman Thame Oxon
Charlotte Munger 27 Wife Married Wormley Herts
Edith Munger 1 Daughter Chiswick Middlesex
Lizzie Wicher 20 Visitor Wormley Herts
Marriages Dec 1885
Cooke Charlotte Eliza Edmonton 3a 374
MUNGER Ebenezer Edmonton 3a 374
The surname Munger is registered with the Guild of One Name Studies. Guild members research all lines for that surname so it might be worth contacting the Guild member to find out what sort of information they hold on your Munger line.
http://www.one-name.org/
Regards
Valda
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Hi
Ebenezer is very difficult to find on the 1881 census
1871 census RG10 folio 1430 11
West Brook Farm Towersey, Buckinghamshire
Ebenezer Munger 14 Servant Ag lab Towersey, Buckinghamshire
1861 census RG9 886 folio 56
Upton Green Towersey Buckinghamshire
Stephen Munger 32 Head Married Ag lab Towersey Bucks
Rachael Munger 31 Wife Married Towersey Bucks
Emily Munger 9 Daughter Towersey Bucks
Harry Munger 7 Son Towersey Bucks
Sarah Munger 4 Daughter Towersey Bucks
Ebenezer Munger 2 Son Towersey Bucks
Marriages Dec 1851
Monger Stephen Thame 16 261
Williams Rachel Thame 16 261
1851 census HO107 1726 folio 210
Providence Farm Towersey Buckinghamshire
Stephen Munger 20 Servant Ag lab Towersey, Buckinghamshire
1841 census HO107 39/13 folio 4
Towersey Buckinghamshire
James Munger 53 Ag lab
Keziah Munger 42
Ann Munger 16
James Munger 14
Stephen Munger 12
John Munger 7
all born Buckinghamshire
Regards
Valda
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Hi
1851 census HO107 1726 folio 216
Towersey Buckinghamshire
James Munger 63 Head Married Ag lab Towersey Buckinghamshire
Kezziah Munger 56 Wife Married Towersey Buckinghamshire
John Munger 17 Son Towersey Buckinghamshire
Eliza Williams 8 Granddaughter Visitor Towersey Buckinghamshire
Possible marriage
James Munger
Keiza North
28 Jun 1813
Norwood Middlesex
both made their mark
Towersey is one of the few Buckinghamshire parishes not covered by the IGI or the BVRI CDs
Regards
Valda
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Ebenezer is very difficult to find on the 1881 census
This could be him in 1881 with a change of first name:
London Road, High Wycombe
RG11/1465/11/15
Fredk Monger, lodger, unm, 22, carman, b. Bucks, Towersey
No birth reg for a Frederick Munger/Monger, only Ebenezer
Gadget
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Nice find Gadget ;D ;D
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As I said Rootschat policy is quite clear, this website is about researching our ancestors - going back in time and not coming forward to find potentially still living people and their descendants.
Thats sad if we cant help people who dont know their 20th C ancestors.
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As I said Rootschat policy is quite clear, this website is about researching our ancestors - going back in time and not coming forward to find potentially still living people and their descendants.
Thats sad if we cant help people who dont know their 20th C ancestors.
I think it might have to be by PM, PM :-\
Sad, because quite a lot of the good finds are from a group of us getting stuck in :-\
Gadget
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Hello all.
Thanks SO very much for finding the information that you have done. I am new to this website and have been amazed by everyone's helpfulness. :o
Thank-you again.
Ringy.
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I'm Ashley Deans from Uxbridge and my Great-Great-Great Grandmother was Eliza Munger who married a Solomon Williams. They were living in Towersey where all my family were living in one of the row of cottages which still exist after the church, just up from Lower Green.
I am presently researching the entire Munger family from this area and noticed your correspondence regarding the family with references to my family.
I have death certificates for both James and Kezia Munger (parents of Eliza).
Would love to hear from you
Ash