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Title: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Bryant on Monday 31 August 09 18:53 BST (UK)
Looking for any Hearth's born Maidstone, Kent.... in the census of 1851

Avies Hearth married William Cox on the 8th Jan 1849 at Stepney, Middx, she came from Maidstone, Kent.....does she have siblings/parents who are around in 1841/1851?..in London or Kent

Thanks
Bryant
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: chrisdix on Wednesday 02 September 09 18:26 BST (UK)
I cant find any Hearths born in Maidstone or in maidstone in the 1851 or 41 Census

i found the family in Birmingham in 1861 with 6 Children

William Cox Aged 30
Avies Aged 28
William j Aged 11
James Aged 9
Rebecca Aged 7
Charles E Aged 4
Avies Aged 2
Francis henry Aged 5mnths
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Bryant on Thursday 03 September 09 07:58 BST (UK)
Thankyou for looking Chris

Avies died in 1901 and I do have her through the census, it just seems strange that their is no site of her or her family pre 1949 when she married!

Bryant
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: bearkat on Thursday 03 September 09 08:35 BST (UK)
The Mid Kent Marriage Index 1754-1911, which can be useful for seeing where surnames occurred in a large part of Kent shows zero entries for the name HEARTH.

http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/index.php

Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Bryant on Thursday 03 September 09 08:41 BST (UK)
Thankyou bearkat

I think to advance the cause the 1849 marriage cert will have to be purchased....to see what it reveals?

Thanks
Bryant
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: chrisdix on Thursday 03 September 09 15:56 BST (UK)
Not one to give up i found the family on the 1851 Census  :) in St Pancras Middlesex

William Cox Aged 20
Aver Cox (spelt incorrectly on the transcript as the actual return says Avis or Aves) Aged 18
William I Cox (again the transcript is wrong. The return Clearly says William J Cox)

William Born Lambeth, Surrey, England
occupation Looks like Jappaner ???
Address 5 Grays inn lane

HO107; Piece 1495; Folio 222; Page 26

Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Bryant on Friday 04 September 09 07:02 BST (UK)
Thankyou Chris

I do actually have all the census 1841-1901 for Avies, although their is a variation in the address I was given

I think the marriage cert and possibly a birth cert are on the cards to advance the cause, because the surname of Hearth doesn't ring true for me!

1851 census
37 Cromer Street, Grays Inn Lane, Pancras, London, Middlesex
William Cox........head....20....japonner....Lambeth, Surrey
Avies......"..........wife......18......................Maidstone, Kent
William J."...........son.......1.......................Bloomsbury, London
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Bryant
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 04 September 09 14:18 BST (UK)
The image of Freebmd definitely is HEARTH, marriage reg. as AVEIS, not Avies Hearth.

Extracted marriage is also on IGI, Saint Dunstone, Stepney.

Think you will need to get the marriage cert ;)

Aveis HEARTH
Wiliam COX
March 1849
Stepney 2 375

Just because she was born Maidstone, Kent it does not mean the Family were from there or lived there for a long time.Often chidren were born in lots of places depending on the Fathers occp.

Having said all that cant find her in 1841.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Calder on Monday 12 December 11 07:00 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I have information on Avis Hearth, born Maidstone. Please contact me.

Calder
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: Bryant on Monday 12 December 11 09:26 GMT (UK)
The 1841 census (see below) I believe is Avies but Wilmshurst is a Maidstone name in 1851 so is Avies's surname Wilmhurst or Hearth (Hurst?) but I haven't found any further records of Bashemath Wilm Hurst (mum of Avis) as yet.....

1901
Avies Cox (nee Hearth) died in the Sep qtr of 1901 Shoreditch R.D, London with a stated age of 68.
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I have the 1891 but if I included it I used too many characters

1881 census
68 Rotherhithe Street, St Olave, Surrey
William Cox............   head........50............decorator   .............Lambeth, Surrey
Avies......."..............   wife.........   47.........................................Maidstone, Kent
James.....   "..............   son..........29......decorator..........Holborn, London, Middlesex
Francis Henry ".......son.........   20............decorator.......Birmingham, Warwickshire
Joseph....   "...............son.........   18............shop lad.........Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alice........   "..............   daur.........15............servant.......Southwark, London, Surrey
Elearer Albert ".......   son..........4................................Islington, London, Middlesex
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1871 census
4 Terrets Court, Islington, London, Middlesex
William Cox............   head........40............furniture decorator.....Lambeth, Surrey
Avies......   "..............   wife..........38..........................................Maidstone, Kent
James.....   "..............   son..........19...............servant footman...   St Giles, London
Charles E   "..............   son..........14.....furniture decorator....Birmingham, Warwickshire
Avies......   "..............   daur.........12.................................St Georges, Warwickshire   
Francis H "..............son..........10....................................St Georges, Warwickshire
Joseph....   "..............   son..........7....................................St Georges, Warwickshire
Alice........   "..............   daur.........5............................................Southwark, Surrey
Christopher "..........   son..........3...........................................Southwark, Surrey   
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1861 census
No 1 Court 32, Upper Tower Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire
William Cox............   head........30.............Japonner................Lambeth, Surrey
Avies......   "..............   wife.........   28........................................Maidstone, Kent
William J   "..............   son..........11...........................................St Giles, London
James.....   "..............   son..........9..............................................St Giles, London
Rebecca.."..............   daur.........7....................................Birmingham, Warwickshire
Charles E   "..............   son..........4....................................Birmingham, Warwickshire
Avies......   "..............   daur........   2...................................Birmingham, Warwickshire
Francis Henry "......   son..........5 months........................Birmingham, Warwickshire
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* A japonner is someone who decorated objects/furniture. Japanning involved high gloss lacquer finishes on papermache and wood applied and finished by hand.
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1851 census
37 Cromer Street, Grays Inn Lane, Pancras, London, Middlesex
William Cox............   head........20.....................japonner..........Lambeth, Surrey
Avies......."..............   wife..........18..............................................Maidstone, Kent
William J   "..............   son............1......................................Bloomsbury, London
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1849
William Cox marries Aveis Hearth at St Dunstans, Stepney, London, Middlesex....Stepney R.D, March qtr 1849, vol 2, page 375
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1841 census
Havock Lane, Maidstone, Maidstone, Kent
James Verrall..........................40................................................................  
James....."...............................15................................................................  
Chas........"..............................15.................................................................  
Mary........"..............................40.................................................................  
Bashemath Wilm Hurst..........40.............char woman................................Kent
Naomah..................."..............12................................................................Kent
Avis........................."..............10.................................................................Kent  
Eliza........................"...............2.................................................................Kent
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Bryant
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 12 December 11 12:30 GMT (UK)
MARRIAGE;
William COX, Bachelor, Minor, Occp Japanner, Residence Stepney, Father JOHN Cox, Occp H...ist
Aveis HEARTH, Spinster, Minor, Residence Stepney, Father JOHN Hearth, Occp Paper Maker
08 January 1849, Stepney St Dunstan and All Saints
William signed, Aveis made her Mark
Witnesses, John COX (signed) and Alice HEARTH (made her Mark)
(cant make out John Coxs Occp)

Trish :)
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 12 December 11 13:05 GMT (UK)
Naomi WILMSHURST , christened 26 Sept 1830, East Farleigh, Kent
Birth 09 December 1828
Parents JOHN and BATHSHEBA Wilmshurst
Siblings;
AGNES, Birth 05 Sept 1827, Christened 26 Sept 1830
AVIS, Birth 26 Aug 1830, Christened 26 Sept 1830

There is a Burial of a John WILMSHURST, 14 April 1839, Maidstone, Kent,
no age given.

Source of all records Familysearch.Org
Title: Re: Hearth family in 1851 or 1841
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 12 December 11 13:28 GMT (UK)
Possible????

Marriage;
21 June 1827, St Nicholas of Myra, Rochester, Kent
John WILMSHURST, Bachelor
Barbamath SKINNER, Single
Both of St Nicholas Parish
Witnesses, Elizabeth APPS, James DARCH
Source FreeREG

Death REG;
Bashemeth WILMSHURST, June 1841, Maidstone, 5 215

Possible Death for AGNES, 1844 also