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Title: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: clandestine on Monday 31 August 09 17:43 BST (UK)
My greatgrandfather  John McDermott married  Anne Scanlon(Kilmacowen) in Ransboro Church in 1873.I got  a copy of the marriage certificate and  at the time of his marriage he lived in Lackagh. His father is named also as John McDermott. I have been searching for 2 years and I have failed to find any record of him or his family in Lackagh or in the surounding areas
He died in 1926 and his obituary  published in the Sligo Champion mentions that "his name " was "Honorably " mentioned in O'Rourkes History of Sligo. I read both volumes of O'Rourke and also the Ballysadare/Kilvarnet Book and can find no mention of this gentleman
I need help . 
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 31 August 09 17:52 BST (UK)
do you have an estimate for his year of birth ?

A good place to start might be the 1911 census on the National Archives website : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/


Shane
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 31 August 09 18:13 BST (UK)
He died in 1926 and his obituary  published in the Sligo Champion mentions that "his name " was "Honorably " mentioned in O'Rourkes History of Sligo.
There is no trace of 'Honorably' as a surname in civil registration index and I'm wondering if you've read the obituary wrong- could you please copy out the bit that mentions 'his name.'
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: clandestine on Monday 31 August 09 18:15 BST (UK)
The 1901 and 1911 census have No McDermott's in Lackagh. The nearest I have found is a John McDermott in Dooly in the Griffith Valuation. The church for the area is Collooney. There are no records there either for the birth of a John McDermott.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 31 August 09 18:27 BST (UK)
Looks from his death record that he was born around 1856 so should be about 55 in 1911 - there are only two possible John McDermotts that I see listed in Co. Sligo of around the correct age - one in Carrigeens age 60 with wife Honoria, another age 50 in Carrowgarry with wife Bridget (the 3rd is single)


Shane
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 31 August 09 18:35 BST (UK)
Looks like 3 children born in Sligo, Co.Sligo in IGI (www.familysearch.org)- John (1874), Patrick (1876), Mary Ellen (1878).
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: clandestine on Monday 31 August 09 18:58 BST (UK)




Hi All
I think I should begin this message again
 I am trying to  trace back from 1873  and NOT forward.

I am looking for  the parents and siblings of John McDermott  who lived in Lackagh (re Marriage Certificate) His father was also named John > a farmer.  However I can find no trace of Mcdermotts in or around this area who fit the profile.
I have all of the details of this family from the marriage in 1873 to the present day. John McDermott and his wife Annie nee Scanlon lived in Carrowkeel Ballisodare in the parish of St John's and in the civil parish of Kilmacowen. They farmed a holding that was owned by Annie Scanlon's father John Scanlon
They had 5 children >Mary Ellen was my grandmother. John,Michael and Bridget went to St Louis and Patrick remained on the farm. 
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My estimate is that he was born  circa 1840- 1845. Griffith Valuation has an entry for a John McDermott in Doorly(adjoining parish)  Could be the same family

I have a number of clues but none have helped to advance my search.
A)  John McDermott lived in L
Lackagh at the time of his marriage.
B) The obituary in the Sligo Champion March 1926 . Read O'Rourkes Histories but  did not find the name of John McDermott mentioned

Re the Obituary. I apologise. I should not have put the word honorably in inverted commas.
The author of the obituary makes reference to John McDermotts interest in and knowledge of local and national history.

Quote
"He had an intelligent grasp of history ,local and national and it was always a pleasure to hear him relate some interesting episode of those long past "evil and dark" days. His name is honourably mentioned inin Dr O'Rourkes History of Sligo"  (unquote)
As said I can find no mention of the name of John McDermott in Dr.O'Rourkes History of Sligo
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 31 August 09 19:06 BST (UK)
there are a few John McDermott baptisms around the right time listed on the Irish Family History Foundation website at www.irish-roots.ie including one that lists father as John in 1843. The parish for this baptism seems to be Sligo RC - presumably the town.

The IFHF is a pay-website which holds transcripts, that cost €5 each to view



Shane
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: Mr J T Arthur on Monday 31 August 09 19:53 BST (UK)
Does the marriage certificate indicate if John's father was deceased at the time and what was his occupation. There are a number of John McDermott deaths in the GRO indexes for the Sligo registration districts.

Good luck,
J.T.A.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: Mr J T Arthur on Monday 31 August 09 20:42 BST (UK)
I note the townland of Lackagh abuts the townland of Doorly which are both in the civil parish of Kilmorgan. That would make the John McDermott in GV (1858) at Doorly a very likely candidate.

J.T.A.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: clandestine on Tuesday 01 September 09 14:37 BST (UK)
The Marriage certificate (Civil)  merely says that the father of John McDermott was also John McDermott a farmer . There is no mention of whether he was alive or dead. I did look for the Church record in Ransboro RC Church ,but these records were lost
I did not look for a death record.  Thank you for reminding me . Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked.
I do have another possible? clue.> A relative in St Louis sent me a marriage record of his  great grandfather  Michael,whom we think may have been the brother of  my greatgrandfather John. The name of the mother eludes us . I have searched for all combinations of her name and have come up with zero when crossreferenced with a McDermott . There is an error in this record. The groom was Michael and NOT Martin .The record is correct because the date is correct and the parents of the bride Mary Jane Condon are correct.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 01 September 09 14:45 BST (UK)
Mother Bridget Ca____ey. If John McDermott and Bridget ? maried before the start if civil registration it's possible that a record (from the church) no longer exists.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: Mr J T Arthur on Tuesday 01 September 09 14:57 BST (UK)
Usually if a marriage register does not state that the father is deceased it would mean he was still alive but it is not necessarily the case. Not sure what you mean by "the name of the mother eludes us" is that not Bridget Cairny (possibly Carney). I don't see the year for that marriage.

J.T.A.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: clandestine on Tuesday 01 September 09 15:29 BST (UK)
The marriage record is  from a church in St Louis USA(1873) .It is the marriage record of  Michael (Martin) McDermott  and Mary Jane Condon
 This  US records gave  the names of both parents. Michael ( Martin) emigrated in 1864 to the USA and settled in St Louis where he married in 1873.Unfortunately the death certificate of Michael in the USA does not give details of his parents.

I have searched all Ireland records and  but I have not cross referenced a Bridget Cairney(Carney,\ Kearney) to any McDermott.
Cairney is a Scottish name . I have also searched  on Scotlands People website
The marriage  of Bridget Ca? and Jno McDermott  would have taken place circa 1840  give or take a few years.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 01 September 09 17:53 BST (UK)
If the marriage of John and Bridget McDermott took place c1840 then you are dependant upon church record of the marriage (which may not survive) so I'm not sure what you mean by "I have searched all Ireland records and  but I have not cross referenced a Bridget Cairney(Carney,\ Kearney) to any McDermott."
Carney/Kearney, etc. found all over Ireland and it could be that what looks like 'Cairney' in the U.S. marriage record is a variation of Carney.
Most U.S. state death records ask for details of birthplace and date, parents' names, etc. Is it that the information is not on Michael McDermott's death certificate (perhaps the informant didn't know) or that the details were not on the form?
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: tmcd1 on Wednesday 02 September 09 03:02 BST (UK)
I am the great grandson of Michael mentioned above.  Michael's death certificate (1910) was in the first year they were required in Missouri.  His listed his birthplace as Ireland.  His father & mother's name and birthplace were listed unknown.  Informant is listed as Coroner's Office.  An obituary in a local paper did not provide further information.  Year of birth on tombstone is 1848.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: Shawn L. on Tuesday 28 January 14 17:32 GMT (UK)
I'm new to this. :)  I'm looking for McDermott ancestors.  My gggrandfather Andrew McDermott came to North America in 1860 and died in 1875.  When he died at age 37, there was an inquest which told us 'he was an Irishman from the North".  From what I've read, Sligo is a likely place for there to be McDermotts.  I have a baptism in Co Sligo, 10 Feb 1839, with a John McDermott as father and Bridget McDonnell.  They were catholics.  At one point, Andrew lived with my ggrandmother Susannah McCormick in Rochester, NY.  Then they moved to Ontario Canada and he worked on the railroad.  Does this fit with anyone?
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 28 January 14 19:37 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat but is there any indication at all that your McDermotts did come from somewhere in Co. Sligo? I would have thought 'the North' would be more likely to indicate somewhere in Ulster.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: Shawn L. on Tuesday 28 January 14 20:12 GMT (UK)
I'm following all leads, and Sligo is close to McDermott country in Roscommon.  Don't know anything about him.  Alas, didn't ask enough questions and my grandmother's been gone 30 years.  I'm going to keep looking but this was an interesting clue.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 28 January 14 20:55 GMT (UK)
There are McDermotts all over Ireland, including Ulster, but to do Irish research you really need a location- parish if not actual townland.
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: BostonKathryn on Saturday 09 August 14 21:57 BST (UK)
Try looking at the US Land Grant.  I've been researching my McDermott's and think I might have noticed your names on this site in the last few days.

From here, you might have to locate more documents which could give you further leads.  Good Luck
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: tmcd1 on Sunday 10 August 14 20:27 BST (UK)
The posts on this thread starting on 28 Jan 14 do not relate to the original posts from 2009 relating to McDermotts known to be from Lackagh and Doorly in Co Sligo.  Recent replies are correct that the origin of Shawn's ancestors (townland/parish) is needed to search further in Ireland.

 
Title: Re: McDermott( Lackagh) Co Sligo
Post by: BostonKathryn on Thursday 14 August 14 23:25 BST (UK)
Check FindMyPast.com for the 1851/1841 Census - for Kearns, which seems to show a McDermott and Kearns marriage by the parents names - not the head of household.