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http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/pressroom/pr_detail.asp?ID=1138#top
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http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1138
Fellow Rootschatters with Irish interests my find the above URL an interesting update on future irish searches
Best wishes for the coming Year
Mo
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Thank you!
Will make things a lot easier for a lot of people!
Cheers,
Mags
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Great news Mo. So good in fact I've "stickied the topic"! Thanks for the info. ;)
Best wishes
Ticker
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Great news indeed!
But I'm puzzled by the statement "free access". Surely any government wouldn't pass up the opportunity to make some money?
Not complaining mind...
:)
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True, but for once I am delighted, and my only crib is that its going to take 3 years for both 1901 and 1911 to be up and running, but thats still good
Best wishes
Mo
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Moscan,
Three years! I must have missed that bit!
Still, County Cork will get a high priority.....at least that's what I selfishly hope.
regards
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Take a look at this link:-
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/pressroom/pr_detail.asp?ID=1138
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Libby
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Libby
I tried but the page is unavailable!
Can you tell us the gist of it?
Thanks, Leofric
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There was a small typo in the link, it works now !
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Alas, this is old news!
And there was me hoping that the project was to be brought forward!
Must be patient.......
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Thanks Mo
Good news for some, but under "Notes for Editors"
the info re the fate of pre 1901 census records is bitter news for those of us needing to start our search for Irish ancestors early to mid 19thC. Oh well!! I'll just have to
keep plugging away.
Cheers
Rory
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Has anyone heard if the project is still on target for the first releases in December?
Please say yes!
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The link given earler is now broken.
Going to the home page and using the site-search facility (digital census) I found this page:
1901 & 1911 Census Digitisation Project
The household returns for the 32 county censuses of Ireland of 1901 and 1911, which are in the custody of the National Archives of Ireland, represent an extremely valuable part of Irish heritage, and a resource for genealogists, local historians and scholars. The National Archives of Ireland, in partnership with Library and Archives Canada, are digitising and indexing these census records to develop their full potential by making them available on the Internet over a 3-4 year period.
This Ireland-Canada Documentary Heritage Research Partnership will create a website with the census records as the centre of a range of records, texts and pieces by historians and curators on life at the turn of the last century. This will be a new and very important educational resource in addition to being a wonderful tool for family historians who want to trace their ancestors.
at: http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/culture/projects_funded.html
No dates given, I'm afraid, but details of a couple of other interesting projects there, as well.
Bob
Update:
I kept looking and then found what I believe was the original article (06/12/2005) under a different address
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1138
Dec. 2005 + 3-4 years = about 2010 ??? , so it looks like :( :( :(
On the other hand, in the article it says:
A fascinating first-hand record and evidence of their forebears' household, family, social circumstances and location one hundred years ago will be available to view online and download to anyone from December 2006, when the first phase comprising the Dublin Census Records 1911 will be released.
So maybe :) :) :) :) instead ???
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Thanks Bob,
It sounds as if the project is on target for the first releases in December.
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Has anyone heard anymore about the 1901 and 1911 censuses going on-line or was it just a dream I had that one day my Irish ancestors would be identifiable at the click of a mouse? :D
Margaret
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Is there any update on this, it being December 2006 now? ::)
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hi,was just wondering about that too.
even googled 'the shamrock and maple leaf' and the first
site on the list was a canadian one with all sorts of irish historical
items on it but no census as yet.I know the national archives closes for 2 days
around the 22nd of december to allow the media access to
anything new for the year,with a bit of luck maybe thats when
the irish census may start to appear on line,says me with fingers crossed.
;D
regards,anne
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Censuses delayed:
http://www.yourfamilytreemag.co.uk/page/yft?entry=view_the_1911_census_early
Meanwhile, there have been delays in the expected release of the 1911 Census for Ireland. Dublin's records were due to be online at the end of December. Philip Doyle of the National Archives of Ireland told us: “Both the 1901 and 1911 censuses are expected to be online by 2008-09. Dublin Census Records for 1911 are now expected to be released in June 2007.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
(with thanks to Princess Poppy who drew attention to the original article)
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thanks arranroots and princess poppy,
is'nt that just typical!! I now wonder if they will ever
put our census online,judging by past promises I won't
hold my breath then. :(
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:) :) :) :)If you check out the www.leitrim-roscommon.com website, you will find the 1901 census for Counties, Leitrim,Roscommon,Mayo,Sligo,Wexford,Westmeath & Galway. as far as the 1911 is concerned you will have to wait I'm afraid.
Jonesy
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Thanks Jonesy
One day I will be able to find my mysterious Irish ancestors. I will just have to be patient as it appears that one branch at least came from Dublin.
Margaret
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On the newsletter I just recieved from Lost Cousins it says:-
IRISH CENSUS - EXCLUSIVE NEWS
A year ago we reported on a ground-breaking collaboration between the
National Archives of Ireland and Library and Archives Canada to put the
1901 and 1911 Censuses of Ireland online - and make them available free
of charge!
At that time it was anticipated that the first data would be online
before the
end of 2006 - but nothing has appeared, and there have been no further
announcements, and so we decided to find out what's happening.
The good news is that the project is still going ahead, and the Dublin
census data from 1911 will be made available online later this year,
probably between July and October.
Good news hay!!
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8) 8) Great news Libby. I have been waiting for 1911 for a long time now. 8) 8)
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Has anyone heard anymore about the 1901 and 1911 censuses going on-line or was it just a dream I had that one day my Irish ancestors would be identifiable at the click of a mouse? :D
Margaret
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Hello margaret I am also wondering ::) ::) ::) Is there any one out there who Knows????? :o
Erin
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Looking around Rootschat it looks like it could be, may be, should be etc sometime in the future but when is anyone's guess. ??? When it does go on-line I reckon that there will be so many people who have been waiting to access their ancestors records that the site will crash into the Irish Sea never to be seen again. LOL. Seriously, I don't think anyone knows for sure.
Margaret :D
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here ya go folks.get it from the 'horses mouth' as they say.
by the way the national archives site itself is interesting. :)
anne
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/contactus/news.html
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Thanks for that Taid
One of these days I will find a question that no one can answer. I know!! If the British census says a relative was born in Ireland how would you know which area to start looking? :P
Margaret
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Thanks for that Taid
One of these days I will find a question that no one can answer. I know!! If the British census says a relative was born in Ireland how would you know which area to start looking? :P
Margaret
Good one Margaret! I also have a couple of those !!
Erin 8)
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here ya go folks.get it from the 'horses mouth' as they say.
by the way the national archives site itself is interesting. :)
anne
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/contactus/news.html
Taid
Ahhhhhh The appropriate message " a small delay" Oh well Autumn will come eventually
Erin
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Hi all
I was in the archives on Saturday, and they are saying now that the Dublin city census 1911 is running behind, but that it should be up and running by about december.
And then the other counties will follow afterwards, and only then they will start on 1901
Regards
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hi m.yet another delay but it will be worth it in the end
especially for my owens family.have tried the few times I've
managed to get to the archives,though being able to search on
addresses and names will be really helpful,think I need to pitch
a tent in bishop street otherwise ;D
roll on december,thanks for the update.
anne
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oh and by the way, they also saying that the searches can be broken down a lot
so if you were looking eg all the carpenters with the surname smith in dublin, it will give you the list too.
they are hoping that there server will be able to handle the rush on the day, i dont think they have any idea of how popular this is going to be!
M
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Getting closer!!!!!!
Erin ;)
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http://www.limerickcity.ie/CityLibrary/LocalStudies/
Limerick has 1911 online but still waiting for 1901... not much help for people waiting for Dublin :(
jc
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I hope no-one was holding their breath awaiting the census.
Tired of waiting for the census to be online, I emailed the person on the press release page from the original link on page one of this topic.
This is what I asked 'Is there any news about when the 1901 and 1911 census are likely to be on-line? The last I heard was, after initial delays the Dublin 1911 census was expected to be on-line by Autumn 2007, just wondered what the status was'.
This was their reply "I don’t have better information than that I’m afraid. I imagine it will be early 2008 at this point".
It's especially annoying for me as Dublin 1911 is the one I desperately want to see, as my Dad isn't where I expected him to be.
I think it would be quicker if we all did a page ourselves, even the press release is two years old now. Regards, TonyR.
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Thanks for writing to check on the current position Tony.
I wonder what early mean ???
Christopher
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Well done Tony for e-mailing! Even though you did not get the news we all wanted to hear!
I think your right, with all the people on here waiting patiently for the census, we could probably get it done quicker as a team effort!!!
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Hello Christopher, what I think their reply means is that they do not have a clue. If they have no "better information" than me about an Autumn 2007 release date, how can they then "imagine it will be early 2008 at this point"?
It's beyond me. TonyR.
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Hi LibbyW, perhaps if we all emailed, then they might pull their proverbial digit out - it couldn't make them any slower could it or could it? :'( TonyR.
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I just had another look at the link and I think the person you emailed is related to the press and not necessarily the right person to email, maybe we need to contact the 'main' guy!
John O'Donoghue, T.D., Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism as stated in the article?
I have sent an email to somewhere else, can't remember sorry but I will let you know if I get a response!!
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Do you have the email address of John O'Donoghue? If as you say we all email him maybe something may get through to those in the know.
Margaret
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Do you have the email address of John O'Donoghue? If as you say we all email him maybe something may get through to those in the know.
Margaret
Click here (http://www.johnodonoghue.ie/gallery.php4?start=10&limit=10) for the email address of John O'Donoghue, T.D. I doubt that an email to him will make a difference.
Christopher
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From the contacts page on the Press Release I went here
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/aboutus/contactus/contactagencies.html and picked the third one down and sent an email to them!
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hi all, maybe they're afraid that when we can access it online they won't get as many personal callers to the archives etc,its a comment I've got from some people who work in these places i.e."we'll be out of a job if everything goes online"
also the minister mentioned in the press release is not in that ministry anymore,must check the government website to check who is.
anne
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Hi LibbyW, I sent the same people an e-mail this morning, no reply yet. Perhaps our two emails might prompt them into action - then again perhaps not.
taid, did he get the sack for not delivering what he promised, oops sorry he's a politician, how silly of me. Regards, TonyR.
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I sent my email to Chief Archivist who had responded to earlier email.... so fingers crossed and will convey any updates. Meanwhile it is 1901 I am interested and that will not be soon.
Anne (another one!)
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Could someone confirm that all the counties of Ireland will be in this census release? I have just found that my grandfather was in Downpatrick in 1911 and it would be nice to look him up! Other relations are Fermanagh/Leitrim.
Anyone familiar with the town of Downpatrick? He taught in John Street School but I cannot find any map to show me where that street is located or a direct reference to the school.
Yes I suppose I should post in Down section :)
Anne
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hi TonyR, re;'the sack for the last minister,hes still around somewhere. ;D .
check out the link below to meet the new kid in the dept.think we should all
write and ask about the census.
Anne
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/
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hi all, maybe they're afraid that when we can access it online they won't get as many personal callers to the archives etc,its a comment I've got from some people who work in these places i.e."we'll be out of a job if everything goes online"
also the minister mentioned in the press release is not in that ministry anymore,must check the government website to check who is.
anne
hi TonyR, re;'the sack for the last minister,hes still around somewhere. ;D .
check out the link below to meet the new kid in the dept.think we should all
write and ask about the census.
Anne
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/
Seamus Brennan, T.D. for Dublin South, (http://www.seamusbrennantd.ie) is the new Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism
He hasn't much to say for himself on your thread Anne 8)
On the thread I found he has a short video where he says ....
"Welcome. I hope you find my new website useful and if I can ever be of any help please contact me."
That sounds like an open invitation to start sending e-mails to the new Minister 8)
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Hi Anne (taid), gosh, you're up late, I was just being cynical about politicians not keeping promises.
Hi Christopher, gosh, you're up early. Do you think contacting this new chap will do any good? I would just like to know when the census will be on-line - it's the being kept in the dark that's really annoying. If they are having problems putting it on-line then fine, as long as we are kept informed about new dates.
An aunt of mine married into some Brennans, maybe me & the minister are related so I could 'lean on' him as family ;) Regards, TonyR.
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I too just sent them an email. Hopefully if enough people do this they will hurry up and put them on. (I also gave them a few other suggestions on what could be online for "free") ;)
In Canada we have the images on the Archives site that you can search manually. On the Automated Genealogy site, volunteers from around the world have transcribed them. (they didn't need to leave their homes to do this, so alot quicker than having a few people go to the archives and attempt to transcribe.)
I don't think they should be worried about their jobs. ;) The National Archives of Canada is kept very busy, and they have lots of "free" info online. There will always be the need to go to the archives for information that will never see the scanner.
Janice
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Hi Janice, what other things have you suggested should be on-line?
I have been in contact with GRONI about a suggestion, but so far it feels as if they are ignoring me. TonyR.
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Hi TonyR
I explained about the Archives in Canada site and how they have Attestation Papers online for World War 1, Boer War, as well as passenger lists, city and provincial directories, land grants, etc.
http://search-recherche.collectionscanada.ca/ancestors/search.jsp?Language=eng
I explained how much quicker things can be transcribed by volunteers all over the world, if they just scan them and put them online.
Census records for Canada on Automated Genealogy are directly linked to the Archives.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com
I also told them about a site that is transcribing passenger lists.
Paper of Record site presently has only 1 newspaper from Ireland. If more newspapers were scanned, the information that could be found in them, could make up for alot of the missing records. (some of our local libraries also have local newspapers online for free.) Internet Archive also has directories for Canada online, but very little for Ireland.
They could also put photos online of different homes, streets, people etc., as they help in letting us understand how and where our ancestors lived.
Cemetery transcriptions are also becoming more common, not only on the regular sites like Interment.net, but also locally.
Quite a few of our local cities as well as a few of the provinces have now started putting birth, marriage and death certificates or transcriptions online. (If you want actual copies you have to pay :P)
Janice
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I should add, that the Archives in Canada are revamping their site, so alot of the links to images aren't working at the moment. They promise they will be working again very soon.
Janice
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hi janice, according to the original press release in 2005
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1138
the 1911 dublin census was supposed to be the 1st part to go online
with the rest to follow over a period of a few years,until we hear an update
on that can only assume thats the way it will happen.it will include the entire
island eventually up til' independence in 1922.
I did read somewhere,not sure if it was rootschat,that there might be an agreement
to include the six northern counties after 1922.
I did a few searches to see if I could find anything on the school in john street
downpatrick but so far no luck,I will keep trying and let you know if I find anything.
regards.anne
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Here's hoping it will include all counties. :)
The directories & newspapers, would also be a nice touch to have online. They would help to make up for not having the older census years.
Wishful thinking? ;D
Janice
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Here's hoping it will include all counties. :)
The directories & newspapers, would also be a nice touch to have online. They would help to make up for not having the older census years.
Wishful thinking? ;D
Janice
Hi Janice,
I hope that genealogy tourism, which used to be exceptionally good for Ireland, does not die off as a result of far too much information being put online. Remember that there are a massive number of books in archives and libraries throughout Ireland which will probably never be put online. A large number of these contain extremely useful genealogical information. There's nothing to beat a visit to Erin's Green Isle to double check some of the facts that you've obtained in the course of your research as well as meeting locals in the townlands where your ancestors originally lived.
Christopher.
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hi janice, the link below has the story of the opening of
john street school downpatrick, at the bottom of the page
are contact details which may be of use to you.
anne
http://www.downandconnor.org/default2.asp?active_page_id=289
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Hi Anne
Thank you, very much appreciated! I'll drop them a line and see what I can find out.
Hi Christopher,
I understand what your saying, but I believe the more information people have, the more likely they will be moved to save for a visit. It would be ideal, if we all had enough funds available to us to be able to travel there so that we can find out more information, but in reality most of us would have to know exactly where we should go to follow up, so that even more time and money isn't wasted.
In fact, I believe the more information available peaks the interest of potential tourists. :)
Janice
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I heard about this plan to put the Irish censuses online some time ago. Initially they were supposed to go live with the 1911 census for Dublin in June 2007, moving on to other areas gradually. Then there was some news that they were having a redesign because of what they found in the first transcripts they tried and would now launch in Autumn 2007. Since it is now virtually December I would say they have missed that date as well. These things are to be expected in IT systems (though since Canada and the UK have put censuses online before this is well trodden ground). What is surprising though is the complete lack of news on the Irish Archives website, or anywhere else on the web, as to what is the current state of play. Does anyone have any information on this?
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Hello - welcome to RootsChat! :)
You seem to have summarised the situation nicely - see the posts immediately above yours for the current state of play.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Dublin 1911 census is on line since yesterday at
www.census.nationalarchive.ie
Rachel
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Rachel,
I tried the link that you gave and it didn't work for me :'(
mab
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Click here (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/1204/1196713197386.html?via=me) to read Ruadhán Mac Cormaic's article in the Irish Times which says that the "1911 census details can be accessed online from today. "
Try now mab .. archive should have an "s" at the end www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Christopher
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Thank you Christopher :D :D :D :D :D I found my Brophy's already...... ;D ;D
mab
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Still not found who I'm looking for!
jc
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Click here (http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/1204/1196713197386.html?via=me) to read Ruadhán Mac Cormaic's article in the Irish Times which says that the "1911 census details can be accessed online from today. "
Try now mab .. archive should have an "s" at the end www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Christopher
Brilliant
Thanks for that Christopher.
Erin :)
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Excellent Site! :)
Love the history as well. Nice touch!
Janice :) :)
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What a pity that it only covers Dublin :(
Cáit
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Cáit
If you look at the "Future Plans", you will see the order that they will be digitized. ;)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
Janice
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What a pity that it only covers Dublin :(
Cáit
Cannot wait for Wexford!!
Erin ;)
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I know Janice but I will have about 5 counties to look through and as I already burn the midnight oil, I think it will be about 6 months before I will see the outside world (joke). Here sometimes it is easier to travel to the county for the information but I have fun........... I will starting on my other Canada family, which I know are going to be difficult after Christmas. I have already done Alberta back to New Foundland and France. The American ones were easier than some here. I am sure we have all found looking at British census where it asks "where born" and it gives, "" Ireland""
Still after I have unpacked my boxes as I am moving house in mid January, it will keep me out of mischief until the lighter nights return.
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A great job done on Dublin, found a couple of rellies...now.. roll on Kerry!!!! I need some more!
Does anyone have any idea when though :-\
Sylvia
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Does anyone have any news of when the next tranch(es) of counties might start appearing?
(Looking forward to Cork & Louth) :-\
Stuart
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Does anyone have any news of when the next tranch(es) of counties might start appearing?
(Looking forward to Cork & Louth) :-\
Stuart
Stuart
No response I see let's wait for Christopher he seems the only reliable source of info over beyond!!!!!! Any news about Wexford Any one ????
Erin ;)
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No news as far as I know. Website shows the same schedule as before...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
Why not try mailing the national Archive? The more people do it the better.
Rachel
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Kerry seems to be taken a while at this rate it will be 2015 before all the 1901 & 1911 Census will be up. I know its a hard job trying to transcrib all the census I just cant wait for Co.Kerry and Co.Cork.
Maybe they will upload the next few counties together!!
I think scanning the census so others can transcrib is a good idea I see the LDS are doing this for the General Registers Records I have transcib over 1000 names already.
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Maybe more people could be encouraged to help with the work
Erin
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I was in the National Archives recently and the Genealogist on duty there said they had changed their mind and Belfast will be next now, not Kerry. And the really bad news is...she said it might be another year before even Belfast is online :( Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
Jaylay
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Thanks for the update. Glad that Belfast (perhaps meaning County Antrim) is perhaps next but sounds like it will be a long wait.
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Thanks for the update I really wanted Kerry to be next but sure at least now I wont be checking everyday to see if its up yet.
They could at least update the website and let people know of the changes.
Just hope the project wont end up getting abandoned.
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I was in the National Archives recently and the Genealogist on duty there said they had changed their mind and Belfast will be next now, not Kerry. And the really bad news is...she said it might be another year before even Belfast is online :( Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
Jaylay
Jaylay wake me up when Wexford comes along !!!!!
Erin
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The Archives & Library Canada, doing the digitization of the 1901 & 1911 Ireland census' (censi?), state on their web site that the entire project will be finished & online, for free, by mid-2009.
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That is good news.
For those who can't wait, the IFHF will soon have the index of the 1901 census on line (for a fee). Tipperary North is now on line...
http://tipperarynorth.brsgenealogy.com/
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there is another post of the IFHF census http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,315708.0.html
Jenny
sounds like good news though J.A.M, I like the word "FREE" it doesn't always go with Irish family history - shall keep my eyes open, they will be inundated ;D
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The National Archive has updated its website.
They now say that the 1911 census for Kerry, Antrim & Down will be available in October 2008.
As per JAM's post below, they also say that the whole 1911 project will be completed by mid 2009.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
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Sorry to be bearer of bad news but Antrim,Down, Kerry will probably not be online till beginning of November ,apparently they have to be given a starting date by their Lord and Masters.You know who I mean those that like to hear themselves talk(busy with budget etc.)
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Latest update from NAI
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The next phase of the website, comprising counties Antrim, Down and Kerry, will be launched in December 2008, rather than October, as previously hoped.
Unquote
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Thanks for the update. The message under future plans just kept changing back and forth but this is a new one. They are still giving mid-2009 as the time when all will be added but I can't see it happening.
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Sorry was going to post an update, then realised someone else has got there first!
Chris
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" . . . More precise timescales will be posted when available."
Does anyone know any more on this? The website still says December for the next batch, but it hasn't been updated with anything more precise (yet).
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December is probably correct... it's just the year that is in doubt!! ;D ;D
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Chris Paton's article in the January 2009 edition of Ancestors magazine mentions that the Kerry, Antrim and Down Census records have been pushed back to December which means that chances of the entire records for 1901 and 1911 being online by mid 2009 may be unrealistic. He didn't state which December but it's possibly this one.
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Earlier this afternoon I logged on to the NAI Census site and saw that the usually 'greyed-out' dialgue box for the 'County' had changed from showing Dublin to 'All Counties' (I think). When I hit the down arrow the 4 counties of Dublin, Antrim Down & Kerry were showing!
Putting a search in for possible relatives in Down or Antrim didn't work so ................. watch this space! Nearly there?
It looks as December this year is on for the 3 new counties to appear, but when on earth (or the www!) are the other 1911 counties and perhaps even more importantly the whole of the 1901 census to appear.
I have been told that an old Irish proverb says that 'patience is a virtue' ;D
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Yes, I am getting the same thing - county options appearing, but not allowing searches within the counties listed, apart from Dublin. Slowly, painfully slowly, getting there....! :D
(And thanks for the article plug Christopher!)
Chris
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Just checked there and if you go into search census you can now search Kerry at least
Looks like they in the middle of it because i downloaded some census for Castleisland area
But then went back and they had removed some of the same
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Brilliant, will keep an eye on it.
Also keep an eye on the PRONI website in the next few weeks - some MAJOR additions are imminent...! :)
Chris
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And then all i need is familysearch to put up the BMD that were indexed but we could be waiting a while for that :D
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chris, are proni finally going to get the wills up and running? or is it something else?
with the census coming on i might have to cancel christmas shopping at the weekend! happy days :D
tony
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On PRONI - something else...! Can't say any more, as it is embargoed and I have written about it, but trust me, it is well worthwhile on a couple of fronts...! :)
On 1911 censuses - Antrim and Down appear to be up now as well. I've managed to download a few entries from Belfast, but the site is horrendously difficult to work with just now, as it keeps defaulting to Dublin entries on searches. However, I have just made the major discovery that my 2 x great granny Florence Graham was born in Gibraltar of all places!
Chris
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far too much excitement for this time of the night chris :) i will just have to wait and see then!
tony
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Looks like the census site is back to just dealing with Dublin 1911 again. I managed to download a few Belfast entries last night, and briefly again this morning, but no access at all this afternoon to Antrim and Down.
Chris
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i got 2 entries from gilford downloaded before i went to bed at 3.30, absolutely "foundered"! but it was worth it!
tony
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I know the feeling - I hit my bed at 2.30am, and 'foundered' is definitely the word...!
Chris
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Well this last time I looked it seemed Dublin was the only option and so I just entered my grand dads details and lo and behold up came the Co Down stuff mixed in the Dublin info! and there he was, a young teacher in Downpatrick in his first job. :) I was only able to get the transcribed details not the handwritten full version. Pity I have no more interest in 1911 outside of Dublin... already accessed it the old fashioned way via microfiche and address.
Roll on 1901!! but this is painfully slow.
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National Archives Home page just been updated to say that the Antrim, Down and Kerry census will be available from 23 December.
Let's hope they stick to it!!!!
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Great stuff! ;D
Chris
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christmas two days early! you cant beat that :)
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A press release from the National Archives says Antrim, Down and Kerry will launch at 6pm this evening.
There's also a bit more info on future 1911 releases:
Donegal, Cork, Wexford, Galway and Offaly (King's) will be released in March. Monthly releases will follow, with several counties in each batch, until July when all of 1911 should have been released.
1901 will then follow.
I'm told that 1901 will probably be released in one fell-swoop, rather than county by county as originally planned.
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Thanks for the update could be a late night.
Kerry is 50% of my research so 100's of searches to do :)
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Could be a lot of us on the site tonight!
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Hope it can handle us all at the same time :D
have to say a nice xmas present for anyone researching these counties
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I don't think I'll find any of my rellies in the new counties
but best of luck with your searches all.
Anne
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Donegal, Cork, Wexford, Galway and Offaly (King's) will be released in March.
What went wrong here???
richard
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Donegal, Cork, Wexford, Galway and Offaly (King's) will be released in March.
What went wrong here???
richard
Just the usual National Archives delayed release- expect to wait a while before the next batch of counties appear.
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Aghadowey - is that based on the experience of the project so far, or have you got insider information ;)
Leofric
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Based on their previous performance.
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Ok.....looks like we will have to wait til next Christmas! Or am I rushing things? ;D ;D
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Santy will indeed be arriving early!
Apparently there have been some issues with the level of accuracy of transcription on the most recent releases. These issues have now been resolved and the returns for Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Kings (Offaly) and Galway will be online by 22 May.
The rest of the 1911 will be released in two tranches by end of summer and the NAI are still hopeful that all of 1901's returns will hit our screens by the time Santy's hitching up the reindeer for his main outing of the year.
Rose
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That is good news.
I wonder why the NAI doesn't actually put this information out on the 'Whats New' page?
HB
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;D ;D ;D
I just knew if I booked a trip to Ireland that they would be on the website quicker!
Off on Tuesday so will still be able to see the census at the NA before May 22nd.
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i had hoped they would have got down as far as armagh this time but if i only have to wait a few more months then that's good news :)
tony
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they might have forgotten the 'Whats New' page exists
richard
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great news - thanks for the update
better that they get the transcriptions and index accurate, rather than releasing a possibly flawed version.
and best of all - it's free access
Shane
Santy will indeed be arriving early!
Apparently there have been some issues with the level of accuracy of transcription on the most recent releases. These issues have now been resolved and the returns for Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Kings (Offaly) and Limerick will be online by 22 May.
The rest of the 1911 will be released in two tranches by end of summer and the NAI are still hopeful that all of 1901's returns will hit our screens by the time Santy's hitching up the reindeer for his main outing of the year.
Rose
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Yes this is great news.
What a great year for Irish research with the family search BMD index online and now more and more census counties going on-line.
A far cry from even a few years ago when any Irish Genealogy information freely available was hard to find.
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there's been an update to the 'future plans' page, in line with the post Rose made earlier.
..the data for Antrim, Kerry and Down has been reviewed..
and data for Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Galway and King’s County (Offaly) will be placed online in the week beginning 25 May...
Shane
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..the data for Antrim, Kerry and Down has been reviewed..
and data for Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Galway and King’s County (Offaly) will be placed online in the week beginning 25 May...
all being well the batch after that will be put on in mid july and the final set of counties at the end of august,then the site is getting re-built and the 1901 will be on by the end of the year ;D this timescale will only apply if they are happy about the accuracy of the transcriptions though!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
tony
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Anyone else finding the National Archives website is taken ages to load today.
Perhaps a promising sign that the Census for the other counties is being uploaded.
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Indeed it was & some pages wouldn't load at all!
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"..the data for Antrim, Kerry and Down has been reviewed..
and data for Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Galway and King’s County (Offaly) will be placed online in the week beginning 25 May..."
We are in this week now lets hope they keep to this.
Richard
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I think i have checked a hundred times this week to see if anything happening but at the moment doesnt look like it.
Fingers crossed that by the weekend i can browse for my Cork ancestors.
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And I thought the reason the site was slow was because they were loading new material.
Seems the reason its slow is because thousands of RootsChatters are checking 10 times a day. Just like me!!
Dara.
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Argh! Still noting happening not another week of checking ten times a day :)
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Its the end of may now and still no release.
Why tell people that its was going to be released by the end of may.
Who ever predicts the timetable for the realises isnt doing a very good job.
I could accept if we had accurate time-lines for the realises.
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They are now saying
" Further tranches of counties will comprise:
1. Limerick, Mayo,Waterford, Armagh, Carlow, Cavan, Clare, Fermanagh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Leitrim;
2. Londonderry (Derry), Longford, Louth, Meath, Monaghan, Queen’s County (Laois), Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Tyrone, Westmeath and Wicklow.
At present, we hope to be placing the first listed tranche online by mid – July, and the second tranche by end -August, but this is subject to our being satisfied that the data meets our required levels of accuracy.
In September, we will be rebuilding the site to include full transcription of all of the data on the household forms for 1911, including religion, occupation, relationship to head of family, literacy status, marital status, county or country of origin, Irish language proficiency, specified illnesses, and child survival information.
1901, with all data transcribed, will be launched towards the end of 2009. "
no mention of Cork, Donegal, Wexford, Galway and King’s County
so these must be going on
richard
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I have just found on the home page under "new counties online"
Donegal, Cork, Galway, Wexford and King’s County (Offaly) are now available on the site. Even though there is still some material missing (in particular, some Irish language returns, and corrections submitted by the public), we have decided to make the material available, in the knowledge that the vast majority of our users will be able to find what they want. Corrections and improvements will be ongoing, and we are very grateful to all users who have submitted corrections to us.
as of yet have not been able to search these counties.
richard
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New counties now online :o :o :o
happy hunting
Richard
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its up and running now! am looking at donegal as i speak :)
tony
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looking at Cork but I can't save.
Anyone else having the same problem?
HB
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I tried a Donegal search and no results coming up- even when I remove the surname and ask for 'Ann' age 15!
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I have just found a wife name Larry looking at origonal it should be Lucy ???
I think its best to check names on origonal.
Richard
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if enter surname and then refine by county you can get cork happy days
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Works for me ;D ;D ;D
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looking at Cork but I can't save.
Anyone else having the same problem?
HB
i'm having the same problem with not being able to save the image from donegal but the search and everything else is working well.
tony
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Thanks Tony - thought it was just me!
HB
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I can save for co Cork
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i still cant save but it prints out dead on,so that'll do for me ;)
tony
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It's great - got my husband's gt grandparents and some other relatives in Wexford. I saved one but the others won't let me ???
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They do state some material is missing,but improvements will be on going.
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Don't know if anyone else is still having problems saving the census record using the save 'icon' in Adobe Reader - I am.
Happily I have stumbled upon a bodge to enable you to save a copy of the census scan.
With the required Census Scan displayed in Adobe Reader go to
'File' then
'Send'
'Page by email.......'
If I allow Internet Explorer to access 'Outlook' (my email client) the file appears as an attachment in the email so by opening the attachment you can then save it as you wish, including the NAI file ref.
HB
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I've just been really disappointed that I couldn't find my Ballingers in Galway. Not a common name - only two brothers come up in Normangrove (I know about them). Mine is Michael Ballinger in Castleblakeney. None of the name variants come up and then when I searched under the place name the family is not there. I KNOW they were there (at least him and maybe son John).
I have a niggling doubt that the first page of Castleblakeney is missing. There's a B (policeman) and then Blade.
Looking at my other family, beginning with G, in Killure I found them OK but I see that placename starts its pages at Burns. Doesn't that seem a bit funny to you?
I would like to ask them about this. I can't for the life of me find the link to where you report transcription errors. I know it's not that but I suppose it could be used for other communication too?
Just adding that in the 1901 transcription they were in Course (just over the fence from Castleblakeney) but the names there begin with a C.
Do you think there is any other explanation for this absence?
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I just found a John Ballinger age 45 and his brother Martin 43, both born co Galway.
4 Norman Grove Killinny Galway
No sign of a Michael.
Do you think that may be John?
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the 'Report errors in transcription' link is displayed on household returns summary page. There are some notes at this link :
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/census_errors.html
the homepage also mentions that some details are incomplete - e.g. Irish Language returns and public corrections, and that fixes are ongoing.
It may be worth looking at the House and Building Returns (Form B1) for the possible townlands - as these summarize all the houses in the townland or street. And should include an household even if the Form A (household return) is missing.
Shane
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Thanks for that info.
Unfortunately there is no spell check on so it's a chore. However, the townlands are on and they are not in either Castleblakeney or Course. Using all the variations I could on all counties I did eventually come up with the other branch in Crow St Gort. I knew they were there and I knew there were others in Normangrove, jc26. You'd think having an uncommon surname it would be easier, but I really think there is something missing.
Shanew147, I'll get going on that.
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you can check for surname variations using the wildcard option...
e.g. using a search of b*ll*r
gives you all names that begin with B include LL somewhere in the middle and ends with an R
Shane
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I looked at Form B1 for Course. The family was actually here in 1901, although I think their back gate was in Castleblakeney!
Course is a doddle - 4 households!
On the B1 there is actually a number 5 but it is uninhabited. It does say "building" instead of "built", though, like the others do.
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the national archive site has had the same message up for months now saying the next batch of counties will be "online by mid-july"; by my reckoning that would be tomorrow :) i'm being optimistic because they were fairly accurate with the timing last time around.has anyone heard of anything happenning?
tony
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With a bit of luck the next batch will be online this week (fingers crossed) then I can work out my Claridge's in Waterford.
Richard
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Hi All, :D
Waiting for the census for Waterford,i've been told mid July,in my reckening i think its gone past that, sorry if i sound impatient, waiting to find my 2xgrandparents and more.
Has anyone heard any update news. ???
Gary ;D
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No not on Line Yet. :)
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i'm just back from a holiday in galway fully expecting the next batch to be online so it's disappointing to see it's not; but what can you do? more waiting i guess :)
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One just as to be Patient ;D
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I've just found gt uncle Hugh in the 1911 census, in the naval hospital in Gosport Hants. :)
I was waiting to find him in Wicklow!
I can see my father in Bray when Wicklow eventually appears, although I have already found the info. in the Archives in Dublin.
Kooky
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but it's soooo hard to do lep! i've looked at the home page on the archives site that often that i'm beginning to think i recognise the fella in the picture whose resting his head on his hand ;D ::)
One just as to be Patient ;D
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Usually i have found once one batch of counties is made available they then give an estimate of when the next ones will be available. They never usually have them available on this estimate date.
Then usually they give another update. Which should be happening soon. This will say that the counties will be available on a definite date. They are usually accurate enough with the second estimate time frame.
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I think they would be better off spending less time on quality and letting us the searchers find and notify them of corrections. The best one I have found so far is Larry Sterne female in Wexford it should be Lucy. (they have been informed)
Richard
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but it's soooo hard to do lep! i've looked at the home page on the archives site that often that i'm beginning to think i recognise the fella in the picture whose resting his head on his hand ;D ::)One just as to be Patient ;D
Lol that Fella is me. ;D
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I notice the site is gone very slow again today - it usually does that shortly before a new batch of information is released.
Here's hoping!
Dara.
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I'm glad I'm not the only impatient one ;D. I am hoping to find my grandmother b1906 in Kildare. I found her mother and some siblings in 1901 census at IFHF but her father was awol and after two hit and misses (same name, different person) which costs $$ I gave up. I will look for him again later when 1901 is out and free to find out what he was up to that night.
There are also lots of errors in the UK 1911 census. I don't mind submitting corrections, it feels good to do my bit and make it easier for others later. It does mean that you have to get creative if you don't find your family straight away (try variations of names etc).
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The latest release information has been posted -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
HB
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Thanks Hugh! I am anxiously awaiting 1901 for my one brick wall and see it mentioned in the link you posted as being started to be released by end of this year.
So fingers crossed!
Anne
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Thanks Hugh! I am anxiously awaiting 1901 for my one brick wall and see it mentioned in the link you posted as being started to be released by end of this year.
So fingers crossed!
Anne
I wouldn't hold my breath Anne
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I'm patiently,[not] awaiting the 1901 census to find my grandfather,
Robert Henry Kane who was not in the English or Scottish 1901 census.
He was in Glasgow with family in 1891.
He was in Lucan in 1905 at the death of his gr mother, and in Dublin in 1907 at his marriage to Annie Boshell.
Kooky
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If you know where an ancestor lived you can order a copy of the 1901 or 1911 return from the National Archives for the sum of €2.54..
see : http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/censusrtns.html
the form required is available here : http://www.nationalarchives.ie/PDF/CensusForm.pdf
I have not used this service myself, and do not know if it applies outside Ireland - but might be worth trying if you cannot wait for the online version.
As well as the name they require exact location details for the search - e.g. Townland, (Civil) Parish and County.
Shane
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I have tried the service Shane mentioned and it is very good if you have exact details and know what you want. I would not recommend it for speculative applications as that only slows down a service which is already under-staffed.
Dara.
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some links for census transcripts available online :
Leitrim Roscommon Website
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/
1901 data for Roscommon, Leitrim, Mayo, Sligo
partial 1901 data for Wexford, Westmeath, Galway
County Clare Library
1901 - http://www.rootschat.com/links/06sv/
Limerick City & County
1901 & 1911 - http://www.limerick.ie/library/localstudies/
Some 1901 census transcripts are available on the IFHF (pay) website.
Shane
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I wonder why they are realising 1911 Census in Tranches and then they are going to realise the whole of 1901 together by end of 2009? Seems a bit optimistic
Not that i would be complaining if we get a great Christmas present like 1901 Census
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I was wondering that also...
The only reason I can think of is that they are working on both at the same time. Maybe during the proofing process it can be useful to compare equivalent households on 1901 vs 1911...
Shane
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Yes could be right Shane or another guess on my part is Canada is look after one census and Dublin is looking after the other.
Was not sure how much help they are getting in Dublin from their Canadian counterparts. Who i believe have collaborated with the project.
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The Canadian 1901 census has been online for quite awhile (can't remember exactly how long) and then when 1911 was added some of the people were linked so that if you found say John Anderson born Aug.1854 in one census you could click on link in last column on right side of transcription page and 1911 census entry for him appears.
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Hopefully they got some good tips :)
The National Archives of Ireland has established a research partnership with Library and Archives Canada to facilitate digitisation, indexing and contextualisation of our 1901 and 1911 census records. Library and Archives Canada have a world-wide reputation in the field of document digitisation, and have already successfully digitised and partially indexed the Canadian census returns 1901, 1906 and 1911. As a fellow national archival institution, Library and Archives Canada share our values in relation to preservation of, and access to, our documented heritage.
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sorry, just have to have a little moan- today's the 30th July and STILL no word of when the next bit of census will be ready. Not even a little update on the site. The suspense is killing me... :'(
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sorry, just have to have a little moan- today's the 30th July and STILL no word of when the next bit of census will be ready. Not even a little update on the site. The suspense is killing me... :'(
There is actually an update on the National Archives site- posted yesterday-
The latest release information has been posted -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
HB
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Hi
Yes, sorry Ive just noticed this.
I wish they wouldnt post unrealistic timescales like that and end up disappointing people.
Lis
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The latest release information has been posted -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html
HB
i'm gutted about this ::) and still no definite date ::)
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Well it does say late August ;D
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2009 or 2010?
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Take ya pick ;D
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well it looks like my grannies place of birth is going to have to stay a secret for a while yet :( the way my luck is going she wont be in armagh in 1911 but in one of the last counties to be loaded online ::) or even worse; she wasn't in ireland at all :o saying that,i can't find her anywhere else or her birth! ohh i'm scaring myself now :-X
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Proberly it's your grannie that's holding them all up. ;D
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LOL, depress me even more why dont you ;D ;D that side of the family always did cause trouble ;D
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Besides 1901 and 1911 when will the rest of the Census being online i cant wait for all of them.
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LOL, depress me even more why dont you ;D ;D that side of the family always did cause trouble ;D
Grannie must be Irish then ;D
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Besides 1901 and 1911 when will the rest of the Census being online i cant wait for all of them.
the next census to be released will be the 1926 data .. not due to be available until 2026 due to the 100 year rule
Shane
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sign here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389345.0.html
Richard
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Looking on the bright side of things- they do seem to be working on submitted corrections.
Dec.2008- 3 submitted- 2 fixed
Jan.2009- 7 submitted- 3 fixed
Feb.2009- 2 submitted
Mar.2009- 3 submitted
Apr.2009- 2 submitted
I can see confusing Heney/Henry, Parr/Pass, Nevin/Kevin but changing Arthur to Andrew, Wellington to Wellylot, Annie to Curnie, Barklie to McBarklie especially when everyone else in household is correctly Barklie) and a favourite- Zada Mary originally transcribed as Elizabeth Mary!
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I have submitted several since the census appeared online,some of them very obvious mistakes but I did'nt keep track of them to see if they were corrected.
The one on the link below fascinates me and seems to be transcribed
correctly though,its the 22 year old with the surname O'Brien,wonder what the story is behind her first name.
Anne
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ts/
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Looking on the bright side of things- they do seem to be working on submitted corrections.
Dec.2008- 3 submitted- 2 fixed
Jan.2009- 7 submitted- 3 fixed
Feb.2009- 2 submitted
Mar.2009- 3 submitted
Apr.2009- 2 submitted
The one I submitted in December 2007 has yet to be fixed!
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I wouldn't even bother checking for corrections yet.
The latest update reads in part: "We now expect to be placing the first listed tranche online by late August, along with corrected data for previously published counties."
I might start checking in December!
Dara.
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Well the next week or so should prove informative one way or the other.
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It's that time of the month again when i resume my love affair with the National Archives census page!
I held back from going anywhere near the site for nearly a month,with great difficulty, and was expecting something would have changed by now; but no.
Has anybody had a "sniff" of anything changing soon? Usually whenever any changes are coming I have difficulty getting on the site but I got straight in this morning.Doesn't bode well, does it?
Tony
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Totally agree with the site problems before the last update.
However, the last update happened on a Saturday so maybe not all hope is lost.
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Breaking News - Site Updated!
Londonderry, Armagh and some others now on site...........enjoy!
edit:
as purpeller has said below, it is all counties now available
was so excited to see Londonderry and Armagh there, I didn't look at rest
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The site is updated - all 32 counties of 1911 online!
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everything - right up to the last one due - Wicklow
thank you National Archives!
Shane
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;D ;D ;D
i feel like breaking into a song! but i wont :D
HAPPY DAYS ;D
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Oh no......the one I was really wanting in Londonderry is missing....I know family were there pre and post 1911, so think, given unusual name for Ireland, it has been mis-transcribed......have tried numerous variations with no success......nothing coming up for street name only either and have also tried names of neighbours in same street per Ulster Declaration, but no sign of them either, , so can't check the Form B.
Mind you, at least I got the Armagh ones I needed.
If anyone can find the return for Fountain Street, Londonderry (not Fountain Hill).....do let me know ;D.
update
Fountain Street is Urban No 3....found list of streets on the site under Urban 3, clicked on Fountain Street and it says 'No Occupants'....yikes! Catalogue entry at this site suggests differently:
http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?p=Ireland,Ireland,Londonderry,Templemore&f=1
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Hi,
1911 census appears to be on line for all counties.
Regards
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Snap scotmum! The one i really wanted,my grandmother, is not on the census.I'm going to have to go through all the entries with her surname just to check if they made a mistake! BUT not today because i have soo much else to look for :) i just found two new brothers for my grandfather that no-one knew about ::) amazing!
tony
ps some of the townland name transcriptions in armagh are way off,not complaining ;),but it doesn't help anyone searching.
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Hi everyone
I thought you would all like to know that the 1911 census for the whole of Ireland is now on line and it's free to search.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Good Luck
Regards
Neptune
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Now its all there I will now have to wait for the 1901 census to answer the new mysteries I have from 1911. ???
Big thanks National Archives
Richard
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great news, the 1911 census for all the counties in Ireland is now on line
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Enjoy !
Paul
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Note that 1901 has slipped to "between late 2009 and early 2010".
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All counties now online
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
I thought maybe this link should go in the Ireland Resources, as it's a valuable resource... But guess not
Moderator's Note: added in RESOURCES-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=399633.msg158321#msg158321
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HI EVERYONE,
GREAT NEWS ;D ;D
THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF IRELAND NOW HAS COMPLETE CENSUS FOR 1911 ONLINE AND FREE!!!!!
HAPPY HUNTING
FENETTA
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The 1911 Census for all counties in Ireland is now online and there are links to it in each county under RESOURCES as well as Ireland-Resources so I'm sure you will all understand that there is no need for more posts about 1911 census.