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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: kob3203 on Friday 28 August 09 16:33 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to verify a story that an Edmond Brown was briefly proprietor of the Hibernian Hotel in Mallow around 1895-1897. We know that he and his wife, Ellen, moved to Mallow from Cahir Co. Tipperary around 1895. By 1897 he's the steward at the Mallow Club. By 1920 he's at the Mallow Commercial Club. I've managed to find several names related to these places online, but only one that might be him:
From a transcription of the 1914 Guy's Postal Directory for Mallow at http://www.failteromhat.com/guy/mallow.htm
- Patrick Walsh: proprietor Hibernian Hotel
- E O S Allen: Hon Sec Mallow Club
- H Dicker: steward Mallow Club
- W Fitzpatrick: secretary Commercial Club
- John Murphy: steward Commercial Club
References to individual entries in the 1926 Guy's Postal Directory for Mallow, found at the Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society's name index pages http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmahs/midxa.htm, etc (midxb.htm for surnames beginning B, through to midxy.htm for surnames beginning Y):
- Patrick Walsh: proprietor Hibernian Hotel
- R McClean: steward Mallow Club
- W Fitzpatrick: secretary Commercial Club
- Edward Browne: steward Commercial Club (I'm fairly certain that this is actually our Edmond Browne)
What are the links, if any, between these three places?
Where exactly in Mallow were they (I think the Hibernian Hotel was on Bank Place)?
Does anybody know of, or have access to, Guy's Postal Directories for other years?
Any other places I might be able to find more information?
Pete
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Hi come and have a look at our Mallow Genealogy and History group, someone might be able to help you https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mallow-Cork-Ireland-Reaching-Out/499257273424993
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Have you been in touch with the Hotel
http://www.hibernianhotelmallow.com
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Kalishoek - Thanks for the suggestion.
I've had a quick look at your Facebook page, and you may well be right - but it seems I need to rejoin Facebook to get anywhere...
However I have a deep personal dislike of Facebook, and no longer go near it, limiting my social networking to targeted forums like this one (I was a Facebook user in the early days - it was a handy tool to hook up with a few old friends - but I never liked it, and I no longer use it).
rathmore - Yes, that's one of the first places I tried. I had a personal reply to an email in 2009, of the "we'll have a check" variety, but heard no more, and received no response to my follow-up emails (only a couple, over the following year). So I gave up on that route.
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in 1867 Francis Fitzpatrick was the proprietor of the Hibernian Hotel
in 1914 Patrick Walsh owned the hotel
in 1850 there was an Edmund Browne living at Johns Lane in Mallow
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Thanks. I had the Patrick Walsh 1914 info already, and as Edmund and Ellen didn't move to Mallow until some time in 1895/6 (and they lived there till his death in 1938 to the best of my knowledge) I haven't done any pre-1895 research on this. (Edmund was originally from Cahir (b1862) and had spent 12 years with the British Army, 6 of them in India, before getting married back home in Cahir)
I guess it's just possible that the W Fitzpatrick (secretary Commercial Club in the 1914/1926 Guy's as per my original post) could be connected to the Francis Fitzpatrick (1867 proprietor of the Hibernian Hotel) you mention?
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I just realized that Main Street in the 1901 census and Davis Street in the 1911 census are the same place, and I'm wondering if the hotel two doors down from the Mallow Club might be the Hibernian ?
House numbers 18-20 on Additional Page 2 of the House and Building Return (Form B1) for "house 20 in Main Street (Mallow North Urban, Cork)" in the 1901 census ( http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Mallow_North_Urban/Main_Street/1130379/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Mallow_North_Urban/Main_Street/1130379/) ) are:
18 - Hotel - Bridget Nagle
19 - Provincial Bank Of Ireland - Edward Tottenham
20 - Mallow Club - Edward Brown (this is our Edmond Browne in 1901)
House numbers 32-34 on Additional Page 3 of the House and Building Return (Form B1)for "house 33 in Davis Street (Mallow, Cork)" in the 1911 census ( http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mallow/Davis_Street/430571/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mallow/Davis_Street/430571/) )
32 - Hotel - Thomas Connolly
33 - Provincial Bank - Edward Tottenham (our Edmond Browne is here, a bank porter,in 1911)
34 - Mallow Club - Patrick Neill
Looking at the Household Return (Form A) for the hotel in the 1901 and 1911 census doesn't give any indication of the hotel name.
(Edited: in the first post I mentioned that I thought that the Hibernian Hotel was on Bank Place. Not sure where that came from, but would Bank Place be named for the Provincial Bank of Ireland ? )