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Title: Check this family out!!
Post by: Olly on Sunday 27 March 05 10:16 BST (UK)
Someone on another site posted this family - you should check it out.


1881 Census
Robert Goodman born Maidstone, Kent 1829 living in Paddington.

Let me know what you think!!
Regards, Olly
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Ticker on Sunday 27 March 05 10:47 BST (UK)
Quite a multi-cultural bunch!  ;)
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: yorkierose on Sunday 27 March 05 11:05 BST (UK)
You've gotta be kiddin!!   :o
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Sisterjane on Sunday 27 March 05 11:08 BST (UK)
Absolutly wonderful......LOL

Joe
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Sisterjane on Sunday 27 March 05 11:16 BST (UK)
Ive just had another look and noticed the ages of the husband and wife ;D......one very happy and contented lady there if you ask me ;D
Joe
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Sunday 27 March 05 12:16 BST (UK)
Hmmm....  I get the definite impression that Mr Goodman didn't exactly take the census seriously!  8)

MR
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 27 March 05 12:31 BST (UK)
There is more about this family and some other 'fun finds' in 'Fun' finds in the census' and other records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,8399.0.html)
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Monday 28 March 05 20:15 BST (UK)
That is never correct................is it????? :o :o


Jan :)

Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: sharren1837 on Monday 28 March 05 20:19 BST (UK)
 :o    :o

i think i'd have to agree with the Manchester Rambler, this guy Robert, not the Manchester Rambler by the way, was a windup merchant.

Great fun though

sharren    :-*
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Monday 28 March 05 20:21 BST (UK)
Quote
That is never correct................is it  ???

Jan, Im not saying YES and I'm not saying NO, but check out this member of the household :
 John GORDON   Servant   U   Male   31   Pakistan   Footman   

Pakistan ???   in 1881 ???

Sharren,
your reply came while I was still typing. 
My guess is that Robert Goodman doesn't / didn't exist, this was a transcriber's joke !
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Melaniejoy on Monday 28 March 05 20:41 BST (UK)
Yes and the fact that he was 12 when his eldest son was born,and that son's occupation is Ponce?

Hmmm he had lots of fun filling that census in............any guesses as to why he had that many young single men living there?
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Tariana on Tuesday 29 March 05 00:28 BST (UK)
Someone on another site posted this family - you should check it out.


1881 Census
Robert Goodman born Maidstone, Kent 1829 living in Paddington.

Let me know what you think!!
Regards, Olly

I don't see any census  ???  I see Robert and that's it. Am I supposed to hunt it down? I can't do that.
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Tuesday 29 March 05 08:28 BST (UK)
Tariana,

The 1881 census is free to search online at

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

 :D :D :D :D


Jan
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Su on Tuesday 29 March 05 11:59 BST (UK)
Hilarious  ;D ;D ;D

Robert being an International Playboy, must have picked up his household on his travels abroad.

Cecily, an ageing heiress was obviously won over by this smooth talking gigalo whilst holidaying in India.

The Ponce could have been Cecily's love child by an earlier liaison with an upper class woofta, and took the Goodman name cos his Dad was already married with umpteen children of his own and had disowned him.

I think it must have been April 1st when this census was submitted   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 29 March 05 20:18 BST (UK)
I have to be a right spoil sport but this enty isn't on Ancestry.

I reckon it might be a hacker leaving proof he has got into the database.

Just a guess.
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Tuesday 29 March 05 20:39 BST (UK)
and I thought I was the one being a spoil-sport !

Quote from: Berlin-Bob
John GORDON   Servant   U   Male   31   Pakistan   Footman   

Pakistan ???   in 1881 ???

So it's either a Hacker, as Pam suggests
Quote
I reckon it might be a hacker leaving proof he has got into the database.

or some transcriber having a 'lighter' moment !!
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Sisterjane on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:05 BST (UK)
hi Pam
Ifound it on Ancestry
Joe
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:14 BST (UK)
Eh?  What did you search on?  I can't find it!!!
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: SS from The Rhondda on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:31 BST (UK)
It's on Ancestry.co.uk & The LDS Family Search Site.

Search Criteria:

Forename - Robert
Surname - Goodman
Year of Birth - 1829
Country of Birth - England
County - Kent.

Can anyone confirm if the census image matches the trancriptions ?
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:36 BST (UK)
I take it back - Joe pointed me at it and the image confirms - the same as Familysearch and Ancestry.  AND it does say Pakistan!

Pam
 ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Sisterjane on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:37 BST (UK)
Hi SS,yes it does ,but it is very,very faint you have really got to look hard,although the word ponce is perfectly clear ,the word playboy is almost non-existant
Joe
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 29 March 05 22:44 BST (UK)
Interestingly it is the last page of the enum district and the page before only has 4 names and looks like it finishes there.

 None of the place info at the top is filled in AND it is in very different hand writting than the previous pages.  There are no enumaration marks.

So it could be a joke by someone who filmed the pages or someone at the ONS.  Maybe it is the people that did the filming?  The names are ordinary names?

Pam
 ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Melaniejoy on Wednesday 30 March 05 02:11 BST (UK)
Oh no...........you  think they are fake......I was hoping to tie them into my tree somehow.............i could dine out on that one for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: tarajobrien on Wednesday 30 March 05 02:38 BST (UK)
pretty funny if you ask me ;D ;D ;D - the writing on page 48 with the Goodman family is very different to that of the previous 47 pages, so wasn't done but the initial enumerator!

Good to know there is someone out there laughing in their grave about this
-> "The census hacker --- died laughing!!"
  ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Cell on Wednesday 30 March 05 07:14 BST (UK)
Anyone notices it says "Lunatic" in the last column for him lol  ;D

 It's got to be fake. Very funny though.
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: moscan on Wednesday 30 March 05 08:29 BST (UK)
I love the idea of the Butler being from Timbucktoo... as Melanie said... wouldn't it be wonderful to connect with that lot...

a wonderful fake... only question... does he turn up in the 1891 and 1901 ?

Mo
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Sisterjane on Wednesday 30 March 05 13:12 BST (UK)
Hey Mo
Now it would be something if the old girl turned up in the 1891/01 8) ???
Joe
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: alcrighton on Thursday 31 March 05 22:01 BST (UK)
The entry is on Ancestry as well as the "original" image.  The handwriting looks decidedly modern and very different from that on the previous pages.  I think someone found a blank page at the end of this district and decided to liven up late a late night transcription session!
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Cell on Friday 01 April 05 00:47 BST (UK)
wouldn't it have  been done years ago though if it's transcribed on Family search too? And not done by Ancestry transcribers. It could  be done by someone who was filming the census pages in the archives. It may be quite a few years old. 10, 12 years etc?

I think the occupation could also  be International Hawker. I can't see how the occupation after "international" can be read. The first letter  of "playboy" could also be read as a H - it's almost impossible to read that word as it's so lightly written

 I think it is definitely a fake though. I'd love to know who did it, someone who is living, or someone who has gone to their grave laughing about this  like previously mentioned


 :)
Title: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Geoff E on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:04 BST (UK)
 ... check Robert GOODMAN born 1829 in the 1881 census.

The old ones are the best :D
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: oldcrone on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:08 BST (UK)
But he's married  :o :o ???

Surely that must hamper old Bob's lifestyle a bit  ;D

Clara
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:12 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I wonder if the Enumerator knew what that was when he wrote it down!!!!

Kerry
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:13 BST (UK)
Clara

His wife appears to be 97 years old!!  He would need to be a playboy!!!

Kerry
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:19 BST (UK)
Well he's not there in 1871 or 1891 - must have been on his travels  :D

Gadget
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Elleray Girl on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:22 BST (UK)
Hehe!!

What about his son's profession - ponce!!! No wonder the word Lunatic was written down!!
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:27 BST (UK)
Do you think the birth places of all the servants are correct or made up?

Perhaps he collected his servants on his travels!!

Kerry
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: oldcrone on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:28 BST (UK)
Think someone's 'aving a larf 'ere  ;D ;D ;D

Clara
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:30 BST (UK)
I like the Tim-buc-too ones.

Have you seen the page after?

I think the enumerator (or someone in his family) was having a bit of fun - maybe had had a few pints. Let's see what we can come up with, etc.  :o

Gadget
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:32 BST (UK)
Anyone feel like checking the birth records for Maidstone, Kent circa 1829  ;D
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:34 BST (UK)
Seen the Australia (penal colony) one!

and this at the bottom:
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: sallysmum on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:36 BST (UK)
He's 52, his son is 40 - he must have started young!
Sallysmum
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:38 BST (UK)
It's totally different writing to the pages before, don't know whether that means anything!!

Kerry
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: sallysmum on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:44 BST (UK)
with no districts etc listed on the top of the page.......
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:45 BST (UK)
There are lots of reasons it is a fake - Pakistan didn't exist - see the older thread I've merged you with.

A case of graffitti on records me thinks.
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 25 July 06 09:48 BST (UK)
It might be worth looking at the last completed page of other enumeration books - see if there are anymore howlers. Volunteers?

Alternatively check on GR to see if anyone's got them in their tree  ;D ;D ;D ;D



Gadget
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: suey on Tuesday 25 July 06 15:34 BST (UK)

I read about this somewhere, yes it is fake! - something to do with there being a spare enumeration page and some plonker filling it in for a laugh.

If I can find the bit I read and the book I read it in I'll post the detail.

Suey
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 25 July 06 15:41 BST (UK)
Oh how disappointing I was hoping they were a real family!!!!  Ancestors of James Bond or someone!


Kerry
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: northern_rose on Thursday 12 July 07 22:29 BST (UK)
I read this thread a couple of days ago and found it funny but the address has been "bugging me" ever since.

Today the penny dropped............... wasn't this the address that Danger Mouse lived at?

A quick google has failed to confirm this but if I am correct DM was only conceived in 1984 so the "census entry" is likely to be post 1984!
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Thursday 12 July 07 22:54 BST (UK)

Found this on one of the Danger Mouse websites:

"It should also be noted that DangerMouse lives in a trusty red pillar box just outside of the Baker Street home of Sherlock Holmes famous residence!"

 :D :D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: northern_rose on Thursday 12 July 07 23:02 BST (UK)
Ok I hold my hand up - obviously not DM BUT the address is still "bugging me"!! ??? ???

Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Thursday 12 July 07 23:50 BST (UK)

I know what you mean NR about the address bugging you.........I've been Googling for a while trying to find something, but so far haven't found anything.
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: northern_rose on Thursday 12 July 07 23:56 BST (UK)
I can hear in my head the address being said and am sure it is from a cartoon ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Friday 13 July 07 00:02 BST (UK)
I thought it was Paddington Bear but No......... >:(

Bananaman lived at 29 Acacia Road ;D

I've just looked at the image on Ancestry and it's obviously been filled in by a modern hand :)  Over on the next page, it's just blank with a hand-drawn flower on it ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Mrs Doc on Wednesday 18 July 07 00:56 BST (UK)
I found this whilst Googling to find out why the address is familiar. The last section on the page is about Mr Goodman. ??? :'(

http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/journal/Mar2001/mar2001The%20Bulletin.htm

Has anyone come across other puzzling entries?

Mrs Doc
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: pennine on Wednesday 18 July 07 03:15 BST (UK)
Just a long shot from memory was the address the address of one of the Likely Lads as in the U.K. T.V. show when he got married. Rodney Bewes played the part?
This thread is hilarious! ;D
Pennine
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Lloydy on Friday 20 July 07 10:31 BST (UK)

I can't find anything about the address, although it's still very familiar, and annoying ;D ;D
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Kezlyn on Friday 20 July 07 12:47 BST (UK)
Tis very funny...

Another thing that confirms it as being a fake, along with Pakistan...

Australia was only federated and given that name in 1901. Previous to this it was separate colonies.

Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: northern_rose on Friday 20 July 07 15:07 BST (UK)
I thought it was Paddington Bear but No......... >:(

Bananaman lived at 29 Acacia Road ;D

I've just looked at the image on Ancestry and it's obviously been filled in by a modern hand :)  Over on the next page, it's just blank with a hand-drawn flower on it ;D

Ah Bananaman..............that could be it!
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: joanne56 on Saturday 28 July 07 00:08 BST (UK)
It's totally different writing to the pages before, don't know whether that means anything!!

Kerry
it also seems to have been the work of more than one hand, or a schizophrenic.
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: joanne56 on Saturday 28 July 07 00:09 BST (UK)
Seen the Australia (penal colony) one!

and this at the bottom:
Can anybody make out what this is?
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: joanne56 on Saturday 28 July 07 00:15 BST (UK)
sorry meant the image posted by Gadget re. total number of males and females.  ???
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: bashy on Saturday 28 July 07 15:19 BST (UK)
just a thought, but wasnt the address the same as the one used by tony hancock ;D
Title: Re: For those who haven't seen it before ...
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 28 July 07 15:54 BST (UK)
Seen the Australia (penal colony) one!

and this at the bottom:
Can anybody make out what this is?

I can't remember this one - I'll have to check it out  ???
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 28 July 07 15:56 BST (UK)
Ah, I see it was a year ago. Did I really say that? How time flies when you're having fun   ::) ::) ::)

It's a nice little drawing I think  ;D

Gadget
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: joanne56 on Sunday 29 July 07 17:42 BST (UK)
oops! sorry gadget hadn't noticed the date.

Joanne
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 23 August 07 05:47 BST (UK)
just a thought, but wasnt the address the same as the one used by tony hancock ;D

Tony Hancock lived in Railway Cuttings, Cheam (I can't remember the number)

Acacia Gardens stirs the muddy soup that is my brain and comes up with the thought: Victorian or Edwardian children's story.  Did the Railway Children or Mary Poppins live there?

Philip

Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Janice M on Thursday 23 August 07 06:50 BST (UK)
Check out page 7.

http://www.nnwfhs.org.uk/publications/journals/D2.pdf

Janice
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: Tephra on Thursday 23 August 07 07:43 BST (UK)



And so the thick plottens .............. or something!!!


Barbara
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: julianb on Thursday 23 August 07 16:49 BST (UK)
According to

http://www.theaa-acaciaavenue.co.uk/home_.html

Harry Worth lived in Acacia Avenue [Message Board page 5 in above link]

JULIAN
Title: Re: Check this family out!!
Post by: pennine on Saturday 25 August 07 00:46 BST (UK)
Harry Worth came from Huddersfield  West Yorkshire!

Pennine
Title: International Playboy
Post by: suttontrust on Monday 03 August 09 21:49 BST (UK)
I came across a family in the 1881 census which I hope someone will follow up for me.  RG11 0020 126 48.  Head of household is Robert Goodman born c.1829 in Maidstone.  I just had time to do a quick check of the 1871 and 1891 but couldn't find him (I was doing a bit of volunteering in the library and was supposed to be indexing the electoral register  ;D.  Someone had printed out this 1881 entry and pinned it on a board).  I can't believe the occupations given  :-[  Please let me know if you can find anything on them.





Moderator Comment: topics merged
Title: Re: International Playboy
Post by: millymcb on Monday 03 August 09 22:19 BST (UK)
Our playboy friend has been mentioned a few times on Rootschat....It appears that it is a fake entry written on the final page of one of the enumerator's books .....   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


http://www.rootschat.com/links/06tz/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ty/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06tx/


Milly
Title: Re: International Playboy
Post by: suttontrust on Monday 03 August 09 22:23 BST (UK)
What a shame  ;D.  I did suspect that it wasn't above board!
Title: Re: International Playboy
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 03 August 09 22:28 BST (UK)
Hi

I have seen that 1881 census before - it did the rounds a few years back

Somebody definitely objected to censuses but how stupid was the enumerator??

16 Acacia Gardens  Paddington, London RG11    Piece 0020    Folio 126    Page 48
   
Robert GOODMAN    52  Maidstone, Kent Handicap: Lunatic
 occ International Playboy
Cecily  97  Maidstone Wife
Robert  40  Maidstone Son occ Ponce
James  12  Maidstone Son

The following are all servants - footman, butler, chauffeur, lady's maid etc etc but look at the birthplaces

Iain SMITH 65 b Timbucktoo   
Nelly SMITH 65 Nepal, India
Alfred GREEN 40  Rangpoor  
Abraham WILKE 25  Afghanistan  
John GORDON 31  Pakistan    
David KING 25  Syria
William JOHNSTONE    40  Lisbon
Mary SMART 20  India
Lizzie JONES 19  Colombo
Jean ABRANOS 17     Penal Colony, Australia
Mary WILSON 41 Timbuctoo
Elizabeth KIMMETT    30  Timbuctoo
Mary BENNETT 25  Timbuctoo
Nellie DAVIS 31  Timbuctoo
Mary PINK 28  Timbuctoo
June MELLOR OR MELLON 18     Persia
Margaret SIDNEY  23  Russia
Peter GEORGE 40   Russia
John KING 31  Russia
William PALMER 15  Nepal, India
John GORDON 14     Nepal, India
 
 
Title: 1881: Fun at Acacia Grdns -The Goodman Family has a sense of humor!!
Post by: gene-genie on Wednesday 26 August 09 11:01 BST (UK)
I came across this on the 1881 Census - just had to share it:  ;D

Source Information:
    Dwelling     16 Acacia Gardens
     Census Place    London, Middlesex, England
    Family History Library Film     1341004
    Public Records Office Reference     RG11
    Piece / Folio     0020 / 126
    Page Number     48
     Household:

 Name     Relation    Marital Status    Gender    Age    Birthplace    Occupation    Disability
 Robert GOODMAN      Head      M      Male      52      Maidstone, Kent, England      International Playboy      
 Cecily GOODMAN      Wife      M      Female      97      Maidstone, Kent, England      No Profession      
 Robert GOODMAN      Son      U      Male      40      Maidstone, Kent, England      Ponce      
 James GOODMAN      Son      U      Male      12      Maidstone, Kent, England      Scholar      
 Iain SMITH      Servant      M      Male      65      Timbucktoo      Butler      
 Nelly SMITH      Servant      M      Female      65      Nepal, India      Wife Dom Serv      
 Alfred GREEN      Servant      U      Male      40      Rangpoor      Chauffur      
 Abraham WILKE      Servant      U      Male      25      Afghanistan      Footman      
 John GORDON      Servant      U      Male      31      Pakistan      Footman      
 David KING      Servant      U      Male      25      Syria      Footman      
 William JOHNSTONE      Servant      U      Male      40      Lisbon      Footman      
 Mary SMART      Servant      U      Female      20      India      Ladys Maid      
 Lizzie JONES      Servant      U      Female      19      Colombo      Ladys Maid      
 Jean ABRANOS      Servant      U      Female      17      Penal Colony, Australia      Ladys Maid      
 Mary WILSON      Servant      M      Female      41      Timbuctoo      Laundry Maid      
 Elizabeth KIMMETT      Servant      U      Female      30      Timbuctoo      Kitchen Maid      
 Mary BENNETT      Servant      U      Female      25      Timbuctoo      Kitchen Maid      
 Nellie DAVIS      Servant      U      Female      31      Timbuctoo      Cook      
 Mary PINK      Servant      U      Female      28      Timbuctoo      Nurse      
 June MELLOR OR MELLON      Servant      U      Female      18      Persia      Governess      
 Margaret SIDNEY      Servant      U      Female      23      Russia      Under Nurse      
 Peter GEORGE      Servant      M      Male      40      Russia      Gardener      
 John KING      Servant      U      Male      31      Russia      Asst Gardener      
 William PALMER      Servant      U      Male      15      Nepal, India      Page      
 John GORDON      Servant      U      Male      14      Nepal, India      Page




Moderator Comment: topics merged
Title: Re: 1881: Fun at Acacia Grdns -The Goodman Family has a sense of humor!!
Post by: Steve G on Thursday 27 August 09 15:35 BST (UK)
 " Ponce " LMFAO!  ;D

'Mind you; Bit dodgy that he had him at twelve years old?! 

Do ye think that was a bit of a protest about the Census there?  ;)
Title: Re: 1881: Fun at Acacia Grdns -The Goodman Family has a sense of humor!!
Post by: Jellis on Thursday 27 August 09 16:24 BST (UK)
And look at the age of the wife! ;D
Title: Re: 1881: Fun at Acacia Grdns -The Goodman Family has a sense of humor!!
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 27 August 09 16:33 BST (UK)
There have been threads about this entry before.

It's clearly a later addition by some mischievous person (possibly a transcriber).  They didn't think through various aspects, e.g. that Pakistan (referred to as one of the birthplaces) didn't exist as a placename until 1947.

Apparently the name Pakistan was first dreamt up as an acronym by Cambridge students in 1933, if the following is correct:

http://geography.about.com/library/faq/blqzpakistan.htm


Anna :)