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Title: 1579 will.. place name COMPLETED THANKS
Post by: skyblue_scarlet on Thursday 27 August 09 12:13 BST (UK)
wondering if anyone can help with this theres 2 words driving me mad in this will.. any ideas??? for the sentence i have...

. Item I give and bequeath to Mary my said wife the lease of my mansion house of/or ………. In …….land  called Canose? manor during her life and after her decease to remain to Edward my....


the first word looks like feazme lol not a clue on the .....land one


thanks in advance
Laura
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 27 August 09 12:26 BST (UK)
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In …….land 


In Newland ?

Jennifer
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 27 August 09 12:30 BST (UK)
...'my mansion house or farme...' (what looks like fe is actually just an 'f').
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Post by: anonymouse on Thursday 27 August 09 12:44 BST (UK)
Hi Laura

Item I give and bequeath to Marye my saide wife the lease of my mansion house or fearme in Newland called Cawle Mannor duringe her life and after her decease to remaine to Edwarde my...

Graham
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Post by: Geoff-E on Thursday 27 August 09 13:24 BST (UK)
Which county is this?
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Post by: Suttonrog on Thursday 27 August 09 13:46 BST (UK)
I agree with Graham except that the mannor may be "Clawse"

Rog
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Post by: skyblue_scarlet on Thursday 27 August 09 13:48 BST (UK)
thanks everyone im having a look into some of these names will let you know if i get a hit on anything....
the will was for a guy named george and he died in lincoln but this family did huge amounts of border hopping.. yorkshire, lincs, staffs and leicester.. he also had prebenduries so to be honest it could be anywhere..

 i thought i maybe saw a w in there too....
Title: Re: 1579 will.. place name
Post by: JenB on Thursday 27 August 09 13:49 BST (UK)
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mannor may be "Clawse"

I too think it might be Clawse - I think the penultimate letter is 's'.

Jennifer
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Post by: behindthefrogs on Thursday 27 August 09 15:49 BST (UK)
It is Cawse.  The first letter is a fairly standard version of the letter C.  I am not entirely happy with Newland because the first letter could be an "H"

David
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Post by: skyblue_scarlet on Thursday 27 August 09 16:02 BST (UK)
the more i look now i only see Cawse too but i agree on the newland bit.. it seems very plausible but the first letter seems very untidy for either an N or H.. still puzzled on that one... it does look like ...land though doesnt it?
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Post by: josey on Thursday 27 August 09 16:03 BST (UK)
Ancestry did do a webinar on 'secretary hand' a few months back & I am sure they put the whole webinar with slides online. I cannot find how to navigate to it now.

Here is a display of letters.

I found this on g**gling - it may give some info

Adobe PDF - Lincolnshire Archives Committee Archivists' Report 18 ...
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Willson and Peacock families : include title deeds, Cawse Manor. Farm and St. Giles' Farm, Lincoln, 1668-1740; copies of title deeds and leases of, ...

http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/551/REPORT18.pdf
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Post by: anonymouse on Thursday 27 August 09 17:04 BST (UK)
Yes, David's right Laura, it's Cawse - my apologies; I've had a (very) quick search for it, but
haven't turned up anything promising. Do you know the county to which all this refers ?

GRAHAM
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 27 August 09 17:20 BST (UK)
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Yes, David's right Laura, it's Cawse


Yes, I've had another look and agree its Cawse  :D

Jennifer
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Post by: skyblue_scarlet on Thursday 27 August 09 18:08 BST (UK)
Thanks Josey thats great!! having a real good dig around for this lot now..

I think these are all areas around Lincoln . I know of a st giles street more or less next to the street where george lived on eastgate thanks so much.. the cawse farm dates are a bit late but its likely its the same farm...
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Post by: bristolloggerheads on Friday 28 August 09 20:58 BST (UK)
Cawse Manor Farm title deeds are mentioned here:

http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/upload/public/attachments/551/REPORT18.pdf

Peter
Title: Re: 1579 will.. place name
Post by: skyblue_scarlet on Saturday 29 August 09 09:42 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone must be cawse manor. still struggling with the .....land i found a crowland? any more ideas?