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Title: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 25 August 09 07:52 BST (UK): HI All.

I wondered if anyone has photographs of their family members from
our County, Northamptonshire, that they would be willing to share.

I would not use them in the public domain unless with consent,
yet they would add to the information I already have from the
Northampton Independent and other places.

Any would be gratefuly received if anyone feels obliged to share.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Ridgeback on Tuesday 25 August 09 13:58 BST (UK): Afternoon Sandy

Are you looking for them to have served in the services and in uniform?

David
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 25 August 09 16:11 BST (UK): Hi David.

Either. :)

Some folk may not have them in uniform, but may have a photograph
around that time.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 12 September 09 21:43 BST (UK): I have a couple of pics of unknown Troopers from the Yeomanry circa 1944 you can add mum...

Maybe they were casualties at Caen...

I found them in a junk shop outside of Woking
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 12 September 09 21:47 BST (UK): And of course you can have dad, grand dad, uncles and cousins...

I also have some stuff form around The Shire and a cutting from the Chron circa 1940 with about 30 of them...

How far do you want to go?

You could add me if you want any of my wars!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 12 September 09 21:51 BST (UK): Quote
Insert Quote
I have a couple of pics of unknown Troopers from the Yeomanry circa 1944 you can add mum...
And of course you can have dad, grand dad, uncles and cousins...

I also have some stuff form around The Shire and a cutting from the Chron circa 1940 with about 30 of them...

How far do you want to go?

You could add me if you want any of my wars!!

Please to accept anything you would like to share with me, well
almost anything Son. ;D

As to how far anything to help with my project (not that again ::) ::) ::)).

Not sure how you will get it to me though seeing as I only see
you about 3 time a year. ;D ;D ;D

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Saturday 12 September 09 22:08 BST (UK): Bang me an email (iI can't find your addy!) and I'll send them by return...There are some on the South Satffs HG site though....
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 12 September 09 22:12 BST (UK): I don't know it.

The only one I send anything too. I don't seem to get an answer on,
unless I have got it written down wrong. :(

More than likely me. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 13 September 09 00:20 BST (UK): OKay now sent you mine.

So don't lose it. ;D

I will wait with fingers crossed.

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 13 September 09 22:34 BST (UK): Hi All.

Just an up-date.

I have just received some photo's from another kind Rootschatter.

Also yesterday another Rootschatter and GWF member gave me a
priceless gift for my project.

Thank you all who are/have assisted me, you will never know how
much it truly means to me.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Bucksgirl on Monday 14 September 09 08:41 BST (UK): Hi another roots chatter has re-directed me to you. I have photos taken in India before/during WW2 of the Northants regt, unfortunately they have no place or date on them, it would be lovely if you could identify anything. Of course you may use them, I could scan them & send.

Jenny
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: macintosh on Monday 14 September 09 09:07 BST (UK): I have a photo of the Freer family from Wellingborough with their son Henry in WW1 uniform with his parents and siblings, Henry was killed in Middle East March 1918 and was a member of the Army Cyclist Corps attached to 1st/5th KOSB.
I also have a silk memento of his regiment he sent to his mother from Egypt.

here are some family names on the back of the photo which I added after help from Seahall.
I have tried many ways to reunite these with any Freer descendants without success, maybe you will have better luck if you would like them.
PM with address and I will forward to you if the postal service is up to it.

Regards James
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 14 September 09 10:31 BST (UK): Quote from: Bucksgirl on Monday 14 September 09 08:41 BST (UK)
Hi another roots chatter has re-directed me to you. I have photos taken in India before/during WW2 of the Northants regt, unfortunately they have no place or date on them, it would be lovely if you could identify anything. Of course you may use them, I could scan them & send.

Jenny

I'll probably be able to place and name a few.... ;D
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 14 September 09 10:35 BST (UK): Unidentified Yeomanry chap...

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l102/scrimnet/NptonYeomanry.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 14 September 09 10:44 BST (UK): Hi Bucksgirl.

Thanks you so much for the offer, greatly appreciated.

E-mail addy on the way in a P.M.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 14 September 09 10:52 BST (UK): Hi James.

I am truly moved by your offer of the Freer photograph.

I would endeavour to find any connection to the family.

Although I tried to assist here, I am sorry to see it could
not go to a relative at the moment.

P.M. on the way.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 14 September 09 11:04 BST (UK): Thank you Son for putting the photographs on Rootschat.

Still doing all your jobs. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 14 September 09 12:07 BST (UK): Another non relative....

Name to be PM'd

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l102/scrimnet/rayallum.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 14 September 09 12:10 BST (UK): ANother Northamptonshire lad...non relative

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l102/scrimnet/kenflawn43.jpg)

Again Italy...this one 1944
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 14 September 09 12:21 BST (UK): Thanks again Son.

Brilliant. ;D

Can you e-mail them to me, pretty please, as Rootschat has a file
restriction and the original image would be great. ;D

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 14 September 09 13:20 BST (UK): Well I am truly overwhelmed Jenny and Denise by your photographs
and additional information you have both sent me by e-mail today.

Thank you for sharing so quickly.

I will en-deavour to assist you both in any way I can, which may
not be much, but I will try.

Thanks again for making my Monday a day of wonderful news. :)

Your families memories of your men who served will never be forgotten.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 15 September 09 10:00 BST (UK): Have sent you a message and realised is was on a thread too!
Let me know what info you want
Willsy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 15 September 09 10:07 BST (UK): Hi Willsy.

Have just P.M. you. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 15 September 09 10:31 BST (UK): Here's my great grandfather Albert Victor Ward
1890
3rd July 1980 signed up with the Northamptonshire Regiment No.2739
Description of Albert Ward:-
AGE 18 Yrs 3 Mths
HEIGHT 5ft 3 1/4 inches
WEIGHT 113 lbs
CHEST Minimum 33 1/2 inches Maximum 34 inches
COMPLEXION Lush
EYES Blue
HAIR Brown

According to documents-
Home 3rd July 1890 - 3rd Oct 1892
India 4th Oct 1892 - 21st Jan 1898
Home 22nd Jan 1898 - 20th Oct 1899 Discharged 25th Jan 1898
Recalled to Army Service 9th Oct 1899
Africa 21st Oct 1899 - 29th Aug 1902
Home 30th Aug 1902 - 5th Sep 1902 Discharged 5th Sep 1902

Started the tradition for curry in our family!
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 15 September 09 20:05 BST (UK): Hi Willsy. :)

Thank you so much for the detailed information on your relative
(not Albert) .

Also all of you who are helping me with the background information
to these men who served for the County is gratefully received.

Thanks again.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 15 September 09 20:38 BST (UK): Thanks
My Albert married Rose Warren, all her family are originally from Northampton, lots from Blisworth, although Rose was born in Leicester. Have quite a history of boatman from the area but don't know it well. If any thing can be found re my Herbert William Bryant that would be great, still looking for the military photo rather then the newspaper one I have!

Willsy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 15 September 09 20:44 BST (UK): Hi Willsy.

I have asked another member elsewhere if they can help.

Obviously it depends when he replies, with a Yes or No. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 15 September 09 20:47 BST (UK): Thanks for that, fingers crossed

Just to add, have Albert's military records and also his brother George Frederick Ward. It looks like George's no was 3044 but he served 93 days and was sent home 6th June 1891, spent 42 days in hospital. On medical sheet in disease column says malfunction chest and remarks include, congenital chest-no treatment. Was admitted to hospital (still in Aldershot) 24th April 1891 and discharged 5th June 1891.
I can't find him 1901 and wondered whether he could have re enlisted ???
Albert joined the regiment at Northampton but George joined at Aldershot 6th March 1891, they were both born in Leicester.

Willsy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Bucksgirl on Wednesday 16 September 09 09:18 BST (UK): I understand that numbers issued in WW1 changed if men transferred to a different unit. I am sure someone will correct this if I have got this wrong

Jenny
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 16 September 09 12:30 BST (UK): Hi All

I will try to get around to answering later. :)

James what can I say, I am speechless, not enough to not give
you my thanks though.

Your package arrived today and doing crafts myself and seeing the
silk done by Henry, all those years ago brought tears to my eyes.

It is beautiful and has still kept it's colour after all these years.

Do you have a soldier of your own that I could make you a special
card for in return for allowing me the articles which I will endeavour
to return to the family.

Thanking you in allowing to be the custodian of such precious items.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: macintosh on Wednesday 16 September 09 17:12 BST (UK): Sandy,
Thanks for your reply, I am pleased you received the package and I am sure you will treasure it, The colour has remained because it has been behind a picture frame for a lot of years, it is amazing to think that it's nearly 100 years old. I do hope you reunite it with a descendant of the Freer family.
I will pass on the info to my friend in France who originally found the photo and silk.

Oh what horrors those young men saw and what sacrifices they made and are still making today.

Kind Regards.
James
Now I can finally close the topic
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Wednesday 16 September 09 21:02 BST (UK): I am very intrigued by this....And look forward to seeing the items

Perhaps I should find a Freer relative...

Must have somewhere, as Gran died in Wellingborough... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 16 September 09 22:30 BST (UK): My beloved Mum died in Irthlingborough and my Dad in Finedon. :'(

All these years without them as they died in 1974 and 1986. :'(

And my 3 soldiers came from Wellingborough also.

Quote
Perhaps I should find a Freer relative...

As I said to James I will try my very, very best to find one.

Remember the Plaque to the 2 children I found. :)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 00:59 BST (UK): Herbert William Bryant....

Yes. Will post this evening (Thursday)

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 08:33 BST (UK): Hi Steve. :)

Thank you, will look forward to the piccie, especially for Willsy.

Willsy is on holiday at the moment, so she will be thrilled to see
it when she next looks on topic. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:05 BST (UK): CSM Herbert William Bryant from the Rushden Echo of 4-8-1915.

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:07 BST (UK): and from the Kettering Leader of 6-2-1915.

Note that his pal wasn't actually called Chapman.

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 18:23 BST (UK): Hi again Steve.

In Willsy absence say I say a hugh thank you.

I thought I couldn't not tell you all that I am just getting over yet another
wonderful gift of over 80 graves of Northamptonshire Regiment Men that
were taken for me without my knowledge.

People kindness is overwhelming.

I think I have had 2 Christmas's come at once, never mind one.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 18:28 BST (UK): Working on the piccies, yet one is not tying up with CWGC.

Never mind I will have to sort it.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:29 BST (UK): And Army career summary:

6338 Herbert William Bryant

Enlisted at Higham Ferrers, age 18 years, 11 months, on 8th March 1901.

Term of Engagement – 3 years active service, 9 years on reserve

Wished to be enlisted to the Royal Army Medical Corps.

Medically examined on 9th & 11th March 1901 and passed fit for General Service.

Appointed to R.A.M.C., 11th March 1901.

Transferred to the Northamptonshire Regiment, 11-3-1901

5’ 3 ¼” tall, 115 lbs, 32 ½” chest (+1” expansion), fresh complexion, grey eyes, brown hair, one scar on right eyebrow, Church of England.

Northampton

Posted to Regimental Depot, Northampton, 11-3-1901

Portland

Posted to Portland, 6-8-1901

“Details”

Posted to “Details”, 7-8-1901

2nd Battalion

Posted to 2nd Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment, 18-4-1902

South Africa

Embarked South Africa aboard S.S. Dunera, 18-4-1902

Appointed as Lance-Corporal, 19-8-1902

Corporal, 1-12-1902

1st Good Conduct badge after two years, 3-3-1903

Passed Corporals exam, 5-3-1903

Admitted to hospital at Pretoria with tonsillitis, 12 to 30-5-1903

Granted good conduct pay of 6d, 1-4-1904

Absent without leave at Pretoria on 17-4-1904. Severely reprimanded without trial, and forfeited 1 days pay, 19-4-1904

England - Aldershot

Extended service to 8 years active service, 4 on Reserve, 27-5-1904

Absent without leave at Aldershot on 18-11-1904. Severely reprimanded and forfeited 4 days pay.

Granted 3rd Class education Certificate, 21-4-1904

Absent without leave from Borden on 27-11-1904. Severely reprimanded, 30-11-1904

Gained Mounted Infantry Certificate, 11-4-1905

Tried by Regimental Court Martial for being absent without leave (4th occasion), 29-4-1905

Forfeited 1st Good Conduct Badge, 24-4-1905
Forfeited 1d of extra pay, 24-4-1905
Reduced to the ranks, 24-4-1905
Resumed duties as a Private, 29-4-1905

Employed in regimental shoemakers shop from c.1905

Regained 1st Good Conduct Badge, 29-4-1906

Restored Good Conduct Pay, 1-10-1906

Granted 2nd Good Conduct Badge (5 years good conduct, delayed due to forfeiture), 29-4-1907

Admitted to hospital at Colchester with a contusion to the right knee, 23-4-1908 to 14-5-1908

Reserve

Transferred to Section “A” Reserve at Colchester, 7-3-1909

“Section A Reserve - Men who had completed their service in the regular army, and who undertook to rejoin if required in an emergency that did not require general mobilisation. A man could serve no more than 2 years in Section A. Pay was 7 shillings a week.”

Conduct: Good. “A very clean, smart soldier.”
Two good conduct badges (stripes) for 5 years good service.
Awarded Queen’s South Africa medal with two Clasps – Cape Colony & South Africa 1902.
3rd Class Education Certificate
1st Class Musketry Certificate, 1908.
Employed in the regimental shoemakers shop for 4 years.
Desired to work as a shoemaker after discharge.
Mounted Infantry Certificate

Intended to reside at 9 Glassbrook, Road, Rushden.

5’ 4” tall, 36” chest (+2” expansion), Waist 30”, helmet 21½, size 6 boots

Transferred to Section “B” Reserve, 7-3-1910

“Section B Reserve – Men who had completed their service in the regular army, and who were serving their normal reserve period. (A regular served either 7 years with the colours and 5 on reserve, or vice versa). Pay was 3 shillings and 6 pence per week.”

Signed Section “D” Reserve re-engagement forms, 15-2-1913
Discharged on completion of 12 years, 7-3-1913
Re-engaged under Section “D” Reserve for 4 years from 8-3-1913

“Section D Reserve - Men who had completed their normal reserve period, who re-enlisted for another 4 years reserve service. Pay was 3 shillings and 6 pence per week, same as Section B.”
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:31 BST (UK): WW1

Mobilised from Section “D” Reserve, 5-8-1914

3rd Battalion

Posted to 3rd Battalion, 8-8-1914
Promoted to Corporal, 27-8-1914
Appointed acting Sergeant, 27-8-1914
Promoted to Sergeant, 11-9-1914

1st battalion

Posted to 1st Battalion, Northamptonshire Regiment, 11-9-1914

France

To France, 11-9-1914

Awarded 1914 Star (+ Clasp), British War Medal, and Victory Medal.

Appointed acting Company Sergeant Major, 12-1-1915

Killed in action, 16-1-1915

War Diary states “A Quiet Day”.

The Regimental History has the battalion rotating duty in the front line with the 2nd King’s Royal Rifle Corps between billets at Cambrin and the front line east of Cuinchy – at a railway triangle junction of the railway from the south and the main Lille – La Bassee – Bethune railway line.

Next of kin notified, 17-2-1915

Pension of 21/6 per week awarded to widow for herself and three children from 9th August 1915

RUSHDEN ECHO 5th February 1915

RUSHDEN VICTIM OF THE WAR
SERGT. MAJOR BRYANT
Shot by German sniper
AN INSTANTANTANEOUS DEATH

It is with deep regret that we have to record the news received from unofficial sources, of the death at the Front of yet another of Rushden’s soldier sons in the person of Sgt Major H W (Chick) Bryant, of the Northamptonshire Regiment.

The deceased soldier was formerly an employee of Messrs James Hyde Limited, and when he was called up at the beginning of the war his wife, with three children, went to reside with her mother at Colchester. In addition to these dependents, with whom much sympathy is felt, Sergt. Major Bryant leaves a mother, father, two sisters, and one brother in Canada, a sister and two brothers in Rushden, and another brother in Australia to mourn their loss.

The first intimation of the sad fatality was received by the deceased soldier’s sister. Mrs Bridgment of Glasbrook Road, Rushden on Jan 22nd, when she had a postcard from Pte. Magee of the same company in the following terms: “I am sorry to send the sad news that poor “Chick” met his death on Jan 16th. Knowing the family well, I thought it my duty to let you know”.

Information was at once sent to the widow and under date Jan 16th, she wrote to her sister-in-law, Mrs C Bryant of 86 Cromwell road, Rushden as follows: “The news leaves one broken-hearted. It was the first news I received about my poor husband when I got you letter on Saturday afternoon and I thought I should have gone mad. On Sunday morning I received a very nice letter from Sergt. Chapman, telling me of my husband’s death and how it happened. He said that my husband received a soldier’s burial, and that his death was instantaneous.

Oh, poor “Chick”, a good man to meet his death like this. It will drive me mad, I am sure for he was such a good husband to me, and a good father to his little ones, and I can’t realize it is true. I shall very likely come to Rushden a while, and then I can show you the letter I had. It appears that “Chick” and this Sergt. Chapman became true friends when they were called up. They went into battle side-by-side, and they decided that if anything happened to one of them, which ever one was left should write and let his wife know, and he said it was his greatest sorrow to write and tell me, for he said that he and “Chick” were the greatest of chums. I don’t know whatever I shall do without him – it has fairly broken me up, I can tell you. I wouldn’t have cared so much if I could have seen him, but it was his luck that he could not get leave. I must thank you very much for consoling me in this bereavement. I hope that I shall be able to come and see you soon, as it will ease my mind to know I have got some good friends, for he was a thorough good man.

Further particulars are given in a letter received on Jan 24th from the widow to Mrs Bridgment, sister of the deceased soldier, to the effect that he and his chum Sergt. Chapman were out on a sniping expedition when, owing to something attracting Bryant’s attention, he put his head above the level of the trench to reconnoitre and at once received a bullet through the brain, death being instantaneous.

The deceased soldier was, we understand, a member of the Rushden Windmill Club, and was otherwise well known and highly respected amongst shop-mates and townsmen, by whom his decease will be keenly felt.

Personal

Born at Wellingborough, in March 1882.

Son of Thomas Bryant and Mrs. Ester Bryant, of Pemberton St., Rushden.
Brother to Ben Bryant

A shoe hand prior to enlisting.

Married to Ethel Elsden at Parish Church of St Botolph, Colchester, Essex, 11-10-1909
Witnesses: George and Elizabeth Elsden

Kathleen Victoria, born at Colchester, 16-3-1910
Herbert William Thomas, born at Higham Ferrers, 30-10-1911
Richard William George, born at Higham Ferrers, 22-12-1913

Living at 20 Magdalen Street, Colchester in 1919.

1901 Census

5 Pemberton Street, Rushden

Thomas Bryant, shoemaker (on own account), 48, born at Northampton
Esther Bryant, wife, 48, born at Wellingborough
Herbert Bryant, “soldier in Northants Reg.”, 19, born at Wellingborough
Jessie, 16, shoe machinist, born at Wellingborough
Charles, 12, shoe laster, born at Wellingborough
Horace, 10, born at Rushden
Kate, 7, born at Rushden

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:35 BST (UK): The other man's name in the photo was apparently Haywood and not Chapman.

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 18:40 BST (UK): And to add to the above. :)

I sent Willsy a link to Herbert the other day before she went away.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/074f/

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 18:58 BST (UK): Just to add, I transcribed the above a while ago for a researcher who was inquiring on behalf of a relative from the Colchester area. If needed I could pass on his (the researchers) details.

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 19:05 BST (UK): Must be my day for being blanked. ;D

Thank Goodness I think I have manners.

I think Willsy already knows who that is.

Thanks all who are contributing still, extremely grateful.

Over and out.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 19:19 BST (UK): Sorry, Sandy.

I've been posting as I run in and out of the room through tea and washing up.

I did stumble across the link before, though I think the page appear after my own little foray through Chick Bryant's records, etc. I'm sure Willsy will find the Rushden site useful, and I hope the picture(s) help. I'm afraid I don't have a "full-quality" one though.

I'm glad others have been so helpful with your quest.

Steve.

P.S. I believe that Sgt. Hayward/Haywood would probably have been 6299 Sgt. Harry John Haywood (Also Hayward per MICs & CWGC) who would have embarked to France in the same group of men as Chick Bryant (12-9-1914) and was killed in action with 1st battalion at Aubers Ridge on 9th May 1915.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 17 September 09 19:32 BST (UK): No worries Steve.

I am getting quite used to it.

I am like marmite, like me or dis-like me. ;D ;D ;D

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 17 September 09 19:41 BST (UK): My word, how do I reply to that!!! ;D

Oh yes, you're bwrilliant!!!

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 18 September 09 11:38 BST (UK): Quote
you're bwrilliant!!!

Never Steve. :)

I have been trying to put the graves given to me by Glen
(whom I am eternally grateful to also) into names, etc.

I can see overload coming on. ;D

Time to think what to do next as if you don't catalogue
things, they re-main un-indexed and hard to use.

Those medal cards are hard to do. :)

By the way I love marmite, certainly not myself though. ;D

If I have offended you, please accept my apologies, as I
certainly didn't mean to.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 20 September 09 00:10 BST (UK): Here is one for you Son. ;D

I knew I had it somewhere. ;D

I just popped on to put it here after
looking through 400+ images. :o

Time for bed.

Nite/Morning.

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Sunday 20 September 09 20:11 BST (UK): Blimey mum..!!!!

:o :o :o

;D ;D ;D

He is the image of No1 Son.....Who also stands over 6' tall...

Amazing

Thanx :-*

Note

KIA 17.2.17, commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, and at Cotton End
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:05 BST (UK): Hi Son.

The same height as our son Mark then. :)

It is actually an 8mg image, yet the quality is very poor, yet the best I could do.

I have been making some thank you cards for everyone who is helping with my project.

I hate accepting things without being able to repay the kindness.

I have not written in them so they can be used for personal use for yourselves.

So if any of you want one whose address I haven't got, I can send it to
anywhere you like within reason. :)

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:07 BST (UK): All at the moment.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:11 BST (UK): Group 1
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:14 BST (UK): Group 2
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:22 BST (UK): Group 3.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 22 September 09 19:25 BST (UK): Group 4
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Tuesday 22 September 09 22:42 BST (UK): I took several pictures of the article with George Bandy in it (6th Northamptons = my special interest). This is the largest resolution I have of Pte. Bandy.

I have the article picture of the group in the same resolution.

No thanks on a card, sandy. I'm sure you can help me from time to time with information.

Steve.

P.S. I've posted some details on William Cook/Cock on the "other place". He is 99.9% a Cook I believe.
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Post by: scrimnet on Tuesday 22 September 09 23:45 BST (UK): Excellent....

Thanks Steve

:)
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Tuesday 22 September 09 23:55 BST (UK): No problem, Scrimnet.

Incidentally I have him down as being wounded at Thiepval as well...

Steve.
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 22 September 09 23:56 BST (UK): I've just come across this thread.

Glad I've been able to help Sandy with a few photos of WW1, and there'll be a couple more coming of Raunds men in WW2.

Dee
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Post by: susie956 on Wednesday 23 September 09 04:18 BST (UK): Hi Sandy,
I have a few photos of my 2 Uncles in uniform but do not know if they were in Northampton regiment as I have no details of them they would be world war 2 they lived in Countersthorpe I could post them to you so you can get them identified if you like. I also have a photo of my Grandad who was in Northampton regiment on Identify uniform forum world was 1 but do not know how to send the link you may have that as well.
By the way do I pm the photos or put them here.

Regards
Sue
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 11:04 BST (UK): Hi All.

Steve that's okay about the card.

Plenty have gone already, well 6 of them. :)

Dee I will be doing you a special one of one of your Soldier's
which is why I did not mention it to you. :)

Thank you for the wonderful photographs you have already sent.

Sue thank you for your grateful offer of photo's, I will P.M. you in a mo.

Sandy
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 23 September 09 11:13 BST (UK): Oh Sandy.....what a huge task you hav e undertaken. :D :D

Dee
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 11:14 BST (UK): This is the link to Sue's Topic about her Northamptonshire
Regiment Relative.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/075f/

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 11:19 BST (UK): You know me Dee, being a friend away from Rootschat,
in fact years before it began. :)

Although I would not wish to compete with the experts,
or ever could.

I have just sent another Rootschatter 16 different examples
of the kind of information I have. I certainly wasn't aware
I had so much.

At the moment I need to keep myself busy, were as really
I could just go back to bed. :)

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 13:50 BST (UK): I think Son we should not forget the folk who are putting on
line their own research and indexes on the Soldiers from both
WW's in our own County and afar.

Here is Paul's with your rellie on .

http://www.paulmanning.net/roll-of-honour.htm

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 19:08 BST (UK): The war memorial as of today.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 19:13 BST (UK): Your man Son.

Hope to see you and other half (we have been in touch today)
at the Week-end with Hubby. :)

Mum
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Post by: scrimnet on Wednesday 23 September 09 20:48 BST (UK): I have been to the memorial on a number of occasions, and also to the vicarage wherein I left my details with the Rector...

I have done this x2/3 times, and have heard nothing of Pauls quest, nor anything else...I even went in uniform once....I though someone would be interested ::)

I shall bring some pics to Brampton for you to peruse and copy at your leisure

I shall be emailing Paul re my int later..
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 23 September 09 21:07 BST (UK): Quote
I shall bring some pics to Brampton for you to peruse and copy at your leisure

Really, wow that would be brill. ;D

Look forward to it even more now. ;D

Mum
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 08:20 BST (UK): Thank you Sue.

Photographs arrived safely, card on way should be with
you next week.

Only 4 left, better make some more, yet maybe not as
I will never get on with others things. :)

I will be viewing all the events here most of the week-end,

http://www.nlr-homeguard.org.uk/

and seeing that "Son" of mine in which ever guise he will be in. :)

He states it all here.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/075s

Your kindness is greatly appreciated.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 10:47 BST (UK): Just an up date to ensure I have thanked here on Roots all the
wonderful folk who are Rootschatters that have shared their
personal family photographs/graves etc with me.

1. Graham, 2. Denise, 3. Jenny, 4. Elaine, 5. Ray, 6. Glen,
7, Janet, 8. Diana, 9. James, 10. Rosemary, 11. Sue.

If I have missed you out please SHOUT.

Sandy
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Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 24 September 09 10:51 BST (UK): That's lovely, Sandy....... :D :D
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Post by: Bucksgirl on Thursday 24 September 09 18:48 BST (UK): Its a pleasure to share. How on earth do you find the time to make such beautiful cards?

Jenny
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 19:21 BST (UK): Hi Jenny.

Thankyou. :)

As to the cards. I find my work easier as it can sometimes be 2 of us.

My hubby is an ex-pattern designer in the Shoe Trade from years ago.

He does all the difficult cutting and I do the designing. :) Team Work.

Well unless I am throwing a paddy as it all goes pear shape and I
have to start all over again. ;D ;D ;D

Sandy
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Post by: willsy on Thursday 24 September 09 21:08 BST (UK): Hello everyone

Want to say a big thank you for all the info about Herbert Bryant. It's wonderful to be part of this thread and a special thanks to Steve...have attached some pics in case anyone would like them and apologies to Sandy as I have found the pictures of the memorial at Rushden so have a close up to share

Willsy

Photo's were taken at Le Toret
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Post by: willsy on Thursday 24 September 09 21:17 BST (UK): Copy of Northants Reg panel
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Post by: willsy on Thursday 24 September 09 21:19 BST (UK): One more to show everyone
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Post by: willsy on Thursday 24 September 09 21:20 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

Will do my best to get the Boer war photo's scanned and sent over tomorrow

Willsy :)
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Post by: Penholder on Thursday 24 September 09 22:16 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

Here is the group photo I sent you.

My grandad, Frank JONES, was in the First Battalion of the Northamptonshire Regiment. He is fourth from the left in the back row of this photo. I'm not sure if the men are all in the same regiment as caps and badges are not all the same. Maybe some kind Rootchatter can explain?

If anyone could suggest a date I should be extremely grateful. I know my grandad was in Egypt at the outbreak of the war and it really doesn't look as if it was taken there. Then he was just home for a few days before arriving in France on 12th August 1914. So, my best guess is that it was taken in the week before he went to France, but really I've no idea.

Also, if I'm not asking too much, it would be really great to put names to faces!!

Many thanks,

Diana
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 22:47 BST (UK): Hi Willsy/Diana. :)

Willsy as I went to Rushden I will put my piccie's here also.

Thanks for the other piccies I will look forward to them.

Also for the ones overseas to Herbert.

Diana someone is going to be over the moon about that piccie. :)

Well more than likely more than just one person.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 22:53 BST (UK): Here is my photograph of the Rushden War Memorial.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 22:56 BST (UK): And her is Herbert's name.

Sandy
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Post by: forester on Thursday 24 September 09 22:59 BST (UK): Hello Diana and Sandy,

They are possibly instructors. Definitely a wide selection of regiments, but the three in the centre look like Army Gymnastic Staff.

Phil
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 24 September 09 23:06 BST (UK): Evening Phil. :)

Thanks for saying about the photograph as you have good
knowledge in these things. :)

Time for bed.

Nite.

Sandy
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Post by: forester on Thursday 24 September 09 23:20 BST (UK): Evening Sandy,

You didn't see the mess I made of last nights post then. ::) ;D

I think I need more sleep, less RC. :D

Phil :)
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Post by: scrimnet on Friday 25 September 09 00:40 BST (UK): Quote from: Penholder on Thursday 24 September 09 22:16 BST (UK)
Hi Sandy

Here is the group photo I sent you.

My grandad, Frank JONES, was in the First Battalion of the Northamptonshire Regiment. He is fourth from the left in the back row of this photo. I'm not sure if the men are all in the same regiment as caps and badges are not all the same. Maybe some kind Rootchatter can explain?

If anyone could suggest a date I should be extremely grateful. I know my grandad was in Egypt at the outbreak of the war and it really doesn't look as if it was taken there. Then he was just home for a few days before arriving in France on 12th August 1914. So, my best guess is that it was taken in the week before he went to France, but really I've no idea.

Also, if I'm not asking too much, it would be really great to put names to faces!!

Many thanks,

Diana

This is an instructing cadre as Phil, has pointed out....And all PTIs, with the central staff, members of the Army Physical Training Staff (as it was renamed in 1918).

As for date...Autumn (?Oct/Nov) 1917

The collars have been tidied up and there is at least x1 wound stripe visible.. I can see no overseas chevrons though. Also as Instructors, they have the stiffeners back in their caps. There are also a number of 1915 ptn jackets.

What a lot of cap badges!! Cavalry and infantry...Ummmm....Somewhere like Etaples perhaps? Or more likely a trg course for instructors at Aldershot, home of the APTS (APTC in 1940...)
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Friday 25 September 09 01:14 BST (UK): Glad to be of help, Willsy! Thanks for posting his Memorial photos, and thanks to Sandy for her photos, too.

Diana,

Do you know what Frank Jones' Regimental number was? It would be rather unusual for Frank to have arrived back from Egypt just before the war, as the 1st Battalion who went to France on the 12th/13th August 1914 were assembled from soldiers serving in England and a large number of Reservists who had served their "active" period of service and were back in civilian jobs but on Reserve duty.

The 2nd Battalion were out in Egypt at the outbreak of war, but did not reach England as a group until October 1914.

It's not impossible for him to have made it back to the UK if he shipped from Egypt just before the war, but I haven't seen an instance of it happening...

Steve.

P.S. From my database, I have two Frank Jones' with the 1st Northamptons.

8259 Cpl/Sgt Frank Jones - Enlisted in later part of 1906. To France 13-8-1914. Wounded as a Cpl. with 1st Battalion at Aubers Ridge on or around 9th May 1915. No discharge date on Medal Roll, therefore probably still in the Army in early 1920s.

7196 L/Cpl/Acting Sgt Frank Jones, enlisted in the latter part of 1903. To France, 13-8-1914. No details of wounding, etc. Transferred to Labour Corps, No. 704196 (very late number, possibly even post war).

P.P.S There are a couple of post-war "F Jones" pictures on the Northamptonshire Regiments Flickr site:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Jones&w=29031004%40N06
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Post by: susie956 on Friday 25 September 09 04:45 BST (UK): Hi Sandy,
Glad you got the photo's it is a pleasure to help.
If I come across any more will certainly let you have them.

Regards
Sue
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Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 07:24 BST (UK): Hi All. :)

Quote
I think I need more sleep, less RC.

Phil I think I just need more sleep. ;D

I will have a ponder to see what you mean. :)

Steve thanks for thanking me and yet more details from
your endless database. I never did get to see it did I as
I was talking so much :)

I forgot to look at Flick when you mentioned it before, will
now you have put up the link, thanks for that also. :)

Son knowledgeable as ever, thanks. ;D ;D ;D

Thank you also Sue. :)

And eternal thanks to Rootschat for bringing us all together. :)

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 07:33 BST (UK): Steve there are 100's of them on Flick. :o :o :o

What a wonderful surprise. :)

If only I had the time spare to look through them all. ::)

Another day maybe.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 07:49 BST (UK): Oh Dee. :)

I nearly forgot, I finished your card in 4 hours yesterday,
after new piccie arrived, hands now in cramp mode. :)

I bet you will be the 1st person with a Christmas Card
(as I sent that too and have let you know in case the
shock of opening it would be too much). :) :) :)

Sandy
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Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 September 09 08:18 BST (UK): I'll be watching for snail mail deliveries in a few days' time then, Sandy! Thankyou. :)

Christmas! I'm glad you warned me.........so much to get done before then...... ;)

Dee
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 12:16 BST (UK): Hi Phil, Scrimnet, Steve & Sandy

Many thanks for all your helpful comments and insights regarding the photo and yes, my grandad was a gym instructor, so that fits with the photo nicely.

I have a red booklet called Regular Army Certificate of Service which is where I got my information from regarding dates and postings, although now that I look again it doesn't seem to say which battalion he was in. I must have got that from my uncle.

According to the booklet, grandad enlisted on 20th November 1906 and his army number was 5875048, but that number 8259 does ring a bell. Could he have had more than one number? His posting in Egypt was from 18.1.14 to 4.8.14. Then he was Home from 5.8.14 to 11.8.14 and in France from 12.8.14 to 15.5.15. He continued in the army until 1928. Maybe the dates are just administrative as I should imagine it would take a few days to get from Egypt back to England in those days even in the best of circumstances.

He was wounded twice during his time in France, once on the Aisne and the other time on the Marne according to my uncle, but we don't know which came first. Might one of those places include Aubers Ridge? He was shot in the same leg both times. I imagine that the second time was just before he returned to Britain in August 1915.

While I was rooting round to see what else I have that might explain why number 8259 is familiar I found another couple of photos, which I will post separately. I'm going to look at the Flickr site first!

Thank you all so much and any more info will be very gratefully received!

Diana
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 12:38 BST (UK): Hi everyone

I've just had a quick look at the Flickr site. It's absolutely wonderful and I think I'll be spending quite a lot of time on it as it may help identify some of the people in my photos.

Here is the first of the photos I just found and I'm guessing it's of the Northamptonshire Regiment. Frank JONES is on the far left of the third row back.

A date and some names would be great!

Regards,

Diana
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 12:50 BST (UK): And here is the second photo, where my grandad is with three friends and looking very dressed up.

On a slight aside, does anyone know if there is a Royal Garrison Artillery photo site? My grandad's brothers David, Henry (Harry) and Tom were all in the RGA. David was wounded 14 times but survived. Harry was taken prisoner following the seige of Kut and died of starvation. Tom was killed in action in Belgium. I have no photos and if there are any out there it would be wonderful to see them.

Many thanks,

Diana
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Post by: forester on Friday 25 September 09 13:05 BST (UK): Hello Diana,

5875048 would have been his final number. I think 7 digit numbers were introduced in 1921.

Phil
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 13:09 BST (UK): Hi Phil

Thank you for that info. It did seem odd that the numbers didn't agree when all the other details seemed to fit.

Diana
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Friday 25 September 09 15:51 BST (UK): The old Regimental numbering was completely changed in 1920 to Army numbering with Regiments issued a range of numbers. The Northamptons were allocated 5875001 to 5931000, so Frank Jones' new Northamptonshire Regiment number would basically be "No. 48" within the new series.

No. 8259 fits in exactly with a November 1906 enlistment.

Aubers Ridge was up at the La Bassee battlefield area near Lille and Armentieres. (Nowhere near the MArne and the Aisne)

The overseas posting dates are (or should be) always from the date of leaving the shores of England to the date of arrival back in the UK and shouldn't include time "in transit". He would have left the 2nd battalion in Egypt (they had arrived there from Malta on 18-1-1914) a couple of weeks before in late July 1914. It was just a coincidence that he arrived just as the 1st Battalion needed him.

The normal length of "active" service was 7 years (e.g. November 1906 to November 1913 for Frank) extended to 8 years if a soldier was overseas whilst his normal active service period expired. Hence, he would have been arriving home for a few weeks or months in the UK - either with 1st battalion at Blackdown or at the Depot, and just happened to be available just at the point they needed him most! A very interesting set of movements, that I wasn't aware of before....

The battles of the Marne and the Aisne were both in September 1914, though the 2nd battalion was captured wholesale on the Aisne in May 1918…..

Was Frank actually from Northamptonshire? If so, I might be able to dig some more information out on him.

Steve.

Steve.
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 16:57 BST (UK): Hi Steve

Thank you so much for that detailed reply. What a mine of information you are!

Yes, Frank was from Northamptonshire. He was born in Piddington as were most of his brothers and sisters. The younger children were born in Shelley Street, Northampton.

Any other information you can dig up for me would be very welcome indeed.

Regards,

Diana
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Friday 25 September 09 19:31 BST (UK): I knew part of that picture looked familiar.....

Charles Ryder John Mowatt from Talavera Day (27th July - the Regimental Day - just ask Mister Scrimnet!) in Dublin in 1922.

He's even sitting in the same chair!

See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/northampton_museum/3005021084/

(Though the caption on the link suggests Lt Col Mowatt was with the 2nd Battalion after the war, it was the 1st Battalion that was in Ireland in 1922).

The other officers being

Captain Edmund Locock Hughes

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northampton_museum/3005021010/

and

Wilfred John Jervois

http://www.flickr.com/photos/northampton_museum/3004185767/

So your picture was taken on 27th July 1922. I don't know what time.... ::)

Steve.
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Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 20:37 BST (UK): Hi Diana/Steve.

Lovely new photographs Diana.

I have just come through Hackleton and Piddington on the way
back from Milton Keynes earlier this evening. :)

I stopped to take some pictures of the villages for Rootschatter
Marty in Australia.

The clock at Piddington says 6.40, I am suprised that I managed
to get the pictures clearly.

Thought I would put one of the War Memorial at the corner of
Piddington Road in Hackleton here.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 20:40 BST (UK): Whoops forgot me mate, sorry Phil. ;D

Sandy
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Post by: Penholder on Friday 25 September 09 21:55 BST (UK): Hi Steve, Sandy and everyone else

Steve, thank you for those names and the date. I knew my Grandad was in Ireland after the War so it's great to know the picture was taken then. Having the exact date is the icing on the cake. In my notes I've got that he was stationed at Phoenix Park, Dublin, in June 1922 - must have come from another photo. I'll have to see if I can find it. Also, my Uncle reckons Frank and my Grandma were in married quarters at Richmond Barracks in Templemore, Co. Tipperary.

Sandy, thank you for putting the photo of the War Memorial here. I didn't see it on my only ever visit to Piddington and Hackleton earlier in the year. I will have to go again next time I come up to Northampton. Please say hello to Marty for me. I haven't forgotten how helpful he was with the BODSWORTH family. I will send you the photos in a minute.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 25 September 09 22:23 BST (UK): Hi Diana.

I will send Marty a cd rom of the piccies as there are 94 piccies
and size is 197mb, therefore too large to send in e-mails if I can find
his address again. :)

If you would like one just let me know.

I found a Wesleyvan Church at the end of the village in Piddington.
I wonder if any of your own family went to it.

Do you have any names on the war memorial that you know of
as I took all the names as well.

Thanks for saying you will send photo's, look forward to them.

Sandy
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Friday 25 September 09 23:48 BST (UK): I think the make-up of the 1922 picture will be all Sergeants except the row with the officers on which will be:

Company Sgt Major -> Company Sgt Major -> Regimental Sgt Major -> Second-in-Command (Hughes) -> Commanding officer (Mowatt) -> Adjutant (Jervois) -> Regimental Quartermaster Sergeant -> Company Sgt Major ->Company Sgt Major

It may well be worth contacting Paul Robinson at the Regimental Museum to see if their copy of the photos from this occasion are captioned.

Don't forget that as a soldier serving after 1921, Frank Jones' records should still be held by the MOD.

Steve.
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Post by: Penholder on Saturday 26 September 09 01:12 BST (UK): Hi Steve

Thank you again for your invaluable information. Being totally ignorant, is the Museum in Northampton? It does sound as if getting in touch would be a good idea.

I've been working my way through the Flickr site, trying to identify men in photos of the cricket and hockey teams that I have. It's a bit slow going, but very interesting. Wilfred John JERVOIS is in them too. On the Flickr site there is a photo purporting to be my grandfather that isn't him and another one captioned E JONES, which I'm sure is him. I wonder how many other mistakes there might be?

I had wondered if I could get hold of my Grandad's records but I have no idea how to go about it. Is it easy?

Many thanks,

Diana
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 26 September 09 02:11 BST (UK): I must admit that I thought the "E Jones" man looked like him!

I'll find the info for the Service Records a bit later. I believe it is straightforward as long as you are a direct relative.

Yes, the Museum is in Abington Park just out of town. The Museum archive staff tend to be at the Shoe Museum at Guildhall Road in town.

Steve.
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Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 08:10 BST (UK): HI Diana/Steve.

As other folk here also have Hackleton/Piddington ancestors the
names on the memorial may also be their's.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 08:17 BST (UK): The Charles Garner is noted on the CWGC here.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=523068

The Samuel Jones also.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=855557

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 08:40 BST (UK): This is the other side on the same memorial.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 08:50 BST (UK): This is Harry Pearson's details.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1586584

Also Frank Pearson's.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=282658

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 09:11 BST (UK): Diana I think the address for N.O.K. Military records post 1921 is

Army Personnel Centre, HQ Secretariat, Historic Disclosures,
Mail Point 400, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street, Glasgow G2 8EX

Please correct me if I am wrong anyone.

I used to work at Northampton Women's Aid (Domestic Violence) at
13 Guildhall Road, so I know the Museum well as it was over the road. :)

Must go and see that Son of mine now, he is bound to be in his element. ;D

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 26 September 09 10:12 BST (UK): You are not wrong, Sandy....

Here is a link to details, plus the Kinship Form that needs to be filled in, because as things stand presently we cannot ask for other peoples details for the post-WW1 era.

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/army.html

The Service Number for the form will be his 5875048 number

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Saturday 26 September 09 10:15 BST (UK): Hi Steve & Sandy

We used to go to Abington Park to play as children and I remember going to the Museum there. It always seemed rather dry and uninteresting - what a missed opportunity! It will be on my list of places to visit next time I'm in Northampton and so will the Museum in the Guildhall.

The photos of the War Memorial are a great help. I don't think Samuel JONES is part of "my" family, but I'm sure that Charles GARNER, Reginald LIDDINGTON, Harry PEARSON, Frank PEARSON, Herbert WESTBURY & Harry WESTBURY would all have been cousins of my Grandfather in some degree.

Thank you so much for your help. I'll get the letter off to Glasgow a bit later on.

Best wishes to you all,

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Saturday 26 September 09 10:25 BST (UK): Hi Steve

I Just missed your last post. Thank you for the link to the form. Sadly my printer has just thrown a wobbly with a horrible screeching sound, so I can't print it at the moment!

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 26 September 09 14:57 BST (UK): I don't think anyone has pointed it out yet but the Northampton Roll of Honour of men from the town serving in 1916 shows Frank Jones with the 2nd Battalion. It wasn't unusual for a man to return to the Front with a different battalion after recovering from wounds. Hopefully his service records will lay out his movements, but if not then a switch of battalions in 1915/16 has to be considered.

Frank JONES 82 SHELLEY STREET 2ND NORTHAMPTONSHIRE SERGEANT
Henry JONES 82 SHELLEY STREET ROYAL GARRISON ARTILLERY SERGEANT

http://www.northants-familytree.net/soldier%20index%20roll%20of%20honour.htm

...and then the 1918 Absent Voters List shows him as a Sergeant with the 1st Battalion...

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Saturday 26 September 09 16:59 BST (UK): Hi Steve

The printer is working again and now I just need to order a death certificate and get permission from my uncle, who is the next of kin.

Thank you for the link to the 1916 Northampton Roll of Honour. I knew about the northants-familytree site, but hadn't come across the Roll of Honour on it before. I can see some of my grandfather's HAKES cousins, so will have to study it some more.

My grandfather didn't return to the fighting after he came home to Northampton to recover from his second wound in the leg. Maybe he changed Battalions after he trained to be an Army Gym Instructor.

Many thanks for all your hard work on my behalf.

Best wishes,

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 26 September 09 21:23 BST (UK): I thanked you on your Scrimmers Living History Thread Son,
so I should also thank you here. :)

THANK YOU. ;D ;D ;D
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Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 27 September 09 12:02 BST (UK): Just an additional thought...

During the pre-war period, the 1st and 2nd Battalion of most Regiments followed a policy of one battalion being based in the UK (and Ireland) and one out in the Empire. Up to January 1911 the 1st Battalion was serving out in India, whilst the 2nd Battalion was based in England.

Bearing in mind that Frank Jones returned to the UK in August 1914 (and we know he was fit and healthy at that point - i.e. not being evacuated sick - because he went straight to France), he is very likely to have been completing his overseas stint with the Regiment which in most cases was 5 years+.

Hence, he almost certainly saw overseas service with both the 1st Battalion (in India and Aden) and the 2nd Battalion (at Malta and Egypt).

The "switch" was performed by H.T. "Dongola" which left the UK with the men of 2nd Battalion on board on the 18th January 1911. On 25th January 1911 it reached Malta and dropped off its 2nd Battalion passengers. It then steamed on through the Suez Canal to Aden in the Yemen to pick up the 1st Battalion. The Dongola left Aden with 1st Battalion aboard on 21st February 1911 and headed back through the Suez Canal back to Malta arriving on 7th March 1911 where it dropped off a number of 1st Battalion men who had still got overseas time left to serve before heading back to the UK with the remainder of 1st Battalion arriving at Devonport on 15th March 1911.

I strongly suspect that Frank Jones was part of the group of men dropped off at Malta on 7th March 1911 when the 1st Battalion returned from India.

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Sunday 27 September 09 14:13 BST (UK): Hi Steve

Once again a big thank you for your amazing knowledge.

Looking at my grandfather's Certificate of Service Booklet his time in Malta started on 7th March 1911 and before that he was in India from 6th November 1907 to 6th March 1911. I didn't know that Aden was included in India, but he was definitely in Aden, so that fits with your information.

It seems as if any time spent in transit counts as part of the previous posting. I suppose it has to be accounted for somehow.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 27 September 09 17:54 BST (UK): Phew! Guessed correctly.... ;)

The 1st Battalion were based at Jullundur (and had been since 1903) with various detachments in other places in northern India when Frank Jones arrived with them. Thereafter they moved to Poona (arrived 3rd March 1908). For a short while from July 1908 to August 1908 they moved to Colaba on the Bombay Peninsula to assist in policing the possible unrest that was expected at the trial of Bal Gangadhar Tilak (a "forerunner" of Gandhi).

The battlion moved on to Aden (Yemen) in late January 1910 arriving at Aden on 2nd February 1901. Of the 8 Companies (the structure changed to 4 companies in 1914), 3 Companies were stationed at "The Crater", with 2 Companies at Steamer Point, and the remaining remaining three Companies (A, B & D Companies) back on mainland India at Ahmednagar.

Incidentally, those men who were awake got a good view of Halley's Comet passing overhead at Aden during April 1910....

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Sunday 27 September 09 18:37 BST (UK): Hi Steve

You're an absolute mine of information! I soon won't need to get my Grandad's military records after all.

I'm going to ring my uncle later to fill him in on everything I've discovered and I think he'll be over the moon to learn so much.

Many, many thanks.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 27 September 09 22:49 BST (UK): Okay all just so we do not get too much off the original topic
I am going to link to the Armed Forces in case Diana may
get other help there also.

I have let Diana know, and I hope that more info may come
to light.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Monday 28 September 09 00:48 BST (UK): Good idea, Sandy.

Apologies for the detour...

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 28 September 09 12:25 BST (UK): No worries Steve.

I have been guilty of doing it myself at times. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 October 09 12:22 BST (UK): Hi Dee.

Glad your cards arrived okay. :)

They seem to be taking longer from the U.K. ::)

Hope folks arrive in time for Christmas here. :)

Thank you also for the extra information you forwarded.

Greatly appreciated.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 October 09 13:36 BST (UK): Safe and sound and much appreciated, Sandy. :)

Hopefully more information to come in the future.....

Dee
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 04 October 09 09:46 BST (UK): Sorry Dee.

Missed the reply.

More info, that will be great to add to the generous amount
already sent. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 07 October 09 17:41 BST (UK): Denise.

I am overwhelmed by the wonderful gift that arrived today.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 13:42 BST (UK): do you just want military or can they be old ones from northamptshire?
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 14:38 BST (UK): Hi Susanv.

Welcome to Rootschat. :)

Any photographs of Northants Folk would maybe
lead to a Soldier in the family.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 15:42 BST (UK): here are 2 of the Garner family. George with wife Alice Kate Adams in 1915, we know he died in Belgium. The other is Alfred Garner my great grandfather.
I do have a few others and wondered if iI posted them if someone might know anything about the family.
Susan, N.J. USA
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Thursday 08 October 09 17:31 BST (UK): Giles' are still there! (well...ish!)

http://www.gilesphotography.com/
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 19:22 BST (UK): Susan what a wonderful wedding photograph.

Thank you for sharing.

Are the above couple iin Kingsley and Kingsthorpe, on the 1901 Census.

Please by all means post any others we may help with, just say
what assistance it is you want/need.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 19:27 BST (UK): Quote
Giles' are still there! (well...ish!)

Not in the Welly Road though. ;D

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 21:18 BST (UK): All I know is on the 1901 census Alfred and his 3 children are listed at 65 Junction Rd. Kingsthorpe
I know his wife Alice [nee Nightingale] died when my Grandmother was born 1898.
But they moved to 50 Portland St. and thats where Alfred died. This side of the family is giving me trouble since there isn't anyone I know of left in England. But, surprises are quite welcomed!
Susan V
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:14 BST (UK): Hi Susan.

I can see Alice's death in Freebmd at Reading Reg District in Dec Qtr
1899 aged 28.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/reading.html

As you know Alice's maiden name I take it you have the marriage
in the Brixworth Reg District Sep 1891
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/brixworth.html

I can see Alfred died 16th September 1930 aged 61 and was
buried at Billing Road Cemetery. No gravestone remains.

Are you wishing help backwards as we can not assist with living relatives. :(

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 22:22 BST (UK): Any help backwards would be great. I know his mother was Charlotte and think she was born in Eakley? His Dad was George but thats all I know about them.
He had a brother George,and sisters Elizabeth and Martha.
Thanks so much
Susan V
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:30 BST (UK): Okay. :)

1881 Census, Rg11/1564, Pg Pitsford 12, Folio 121, Sch 53

George Garner, Head, M, 56, Labourer, Pitsford
Charlotte, Wife, M, 52, Stoke
Frederick, Son, Unm, 16, Labourer, Pitsford
Alfred, Son, 11, Labourer, Pitsford

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:37 BST (UK): 1871 Census Pitsford Rg10/1495 Pg 9 Folio 123 Sch 48 Moulton Lane

George Garner, Head, Mar, 45, Ag Lab, Pitsford
S, Wife, Mar, 45, Pitsford
Elizabeth, Daur, 4, Pitsford
James, Son, 10, Pitsford
Frederick, Son, 7, Pitsford
Alfred, Son, 1, Pitsford

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:43 BST (UK): 1861 Census Pitsford Rg 9/949 Pg 21 Folio 132 Sch 120

George Garner, Head, Mar, 36, Ag Lab, Pitsford
Charlotte, Wife, Mar, 34, Eakley Lane, Bucks
Thomas, Son, Un, 12, Ag Lab, Pitsford
George, 10, Ag Lab, Pitsford
Joseph, 7, Pitsford
Martha A, 5, Pitsford
Elizabeth, Daur, 4, Pitsford

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 22:48 BST (UK): Oh my,I had NO idea there were any more children. Thank you so much.
Susan V
ps. Not meaning to be a pest, but how do i find Charlotte's maiden name?
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:48 BST (UK): From the Northants Marriage Strays.

22 Nov 1847 Stoke Goldington, Bucks

George GARNER of Pitsford, bachelor, full age, labourer, father Joseph, carrier to
Charlotte HAYCOCK otp, spinster, full age, father Thomas, carrier

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 22:50 BST (UK): Sorry, didn't read all the way down. just to excited! Thanks for the maiden name. This is wonderful
Susan V
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 22:56 BST (UK): Susan on the 1851 Census Pitsford
H.O.107/1742 Pg 9 Folio 278 Sch 40

George Garner, Head, Mar, 27, Carrier, Brixworth
Charlotte, Wife, Mar, 44, Brixworth
Thos, Son, 2, Pitsford
George, Son, 1, Pitsford

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 23:01 BST (UK): Okay now we have George parents.

1841 Census Pitsford H.O.107/810/9 Pg 9, Folio 21

Joseph Garner 65 Ag Lab Y
Martha 55 Y
George 15 Y
Caroline 15 Y
Martha 13 Y

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Thursday 08 October 09 23:06 BST (UK): Oh, boy what can I say.
Thank you is starting to sound like a broken record,but you are good!
SusanV
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 23:08 BST (UK): On the 1841 Census Stoke Goldington
H.O.107/59/7 Pg 4 Folio ? Eakley Lanes

Charlotte Haycock 15 F.S. Y

to William Wagstaff ,30, Draper.

Therefore a look up on the Buckinghamshire board might be
an idea for Charlotte's lineage.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 08 October 09 23:11 BST (UK): We all are Susan. :)

From the Northants Marriage Indexes.

Pitsford Parish Church
11 Dec 1809
Joseph GARNER otp, widower to Martha FAULKNER otp, spinster

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Friday 09 October 09 00:36 BST (UK): that 1841 census, does it mean Charlotte@15 married William????
SusanV
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 09 October 09 07:26 BST (UK): Morning Susan.

The 1841 meant that Charlotte was a Female Servant to a William
Wagstaff who was a Draper in Stoke Goldington.

We know she married George as the marriage details were noted earlier.

Sorry to confuse you.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 09 October 09 09:05 BST (UK): Okay here are some burials for you at Pitsford.

George, 23 Jul 1890 aged 66. Joseph, 05 Mar 1850 aged 77.
Martha, 01 Sep 1850 aged 63.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 22 October 09 23:01 BST (UK): Hi All.

I know we went a bit of topic, yet I would like to add a couple
more folk who have added to my request.

Firstly Karen (A Rootschatter also) who lives near me who I
have not mention before.

Thank you. :)

And 2nd to Janet, another Rootschatter (and friend) as well as Karen
who has lent me some photographs of her family to scan and return.

I greatly appreciate the trust given to me. Thank you also. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Jellis on Friday 23 October 09 08:25 BST (UK): You are most welcome, Sandy!

I am pleased to lend; it's time they were brought to light!
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 23 October 09 11:34 BST (UK): I couldn't agree more Janet. :)

We must meet up instead of leaving things for each other
all the time, yet you know what I am like more than most. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Friday 23 October 09 13:17 BST (UK): Do not know a date but from the faded writing I can only make out Alice and John Brown.
She would have been my gr grandfathers sister Alice Garner.
Does the outfit give a clue to the year?
Susanv
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Friday 23 October 09 14:06 BST (UK): Around 1900-1910

;)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Friday 23 October 09 14:12 BST (UK): Thank you
Susan v
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 23 October 09 16:24 BST (UK): Hi Susan. :)

I wondered if you know about the Photograph and Restoration Board
here on Rootschat.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,298.0.html

They can assist in repairing your photos and giving you an idea of
time scale besides doing some beautiful restores etc.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Friday 23 October 09 17:10 BST (UK): No, I didn't know. Should I find that board and see if they can do anything with it? It does look as bad as it scanned.
SusanV
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: susanv on Friday 23 October 09 17:18 BST (UK): will rescan the photo and put it in the right place.
Thanks for the idea.
Susanv
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Sunday 25 October 09 18:17 GMT (UK): Hi Sandy

Here is a photo taken at Shorncliffe in May 1924 of the Warrant Officers, Staff-Sergeants and Sergeants of the 1st Battalion The Northamptonshire Regiment.

I will post the names separately so as not to overload the system.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Sunday 25 October 09 18:18 GMT (UK): And here are the names.

Added later - I forgot to say anyone who would like a copy of the whole or who can't read the names well enough just PM me.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Penholder on Sunday 25 October 09 18:22 GMT (UK): Here is a picture of the regiment in Hong Kong in 1927. Sorry, no names with this one. Anyone who would like a proper copy please PM me with email.

Diana
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 29 October 09 20:35 GMT (UK): HI Diana. :)

Thank you so much for the latest photographs.

Brilliant.

I went to 3 Churchyards today and forgot about the early nights ::)
so was still trying to take graves at 5.00 p.m.

Then we got caught in the traffic at on the A5, so just got home
awhile ago.

Your continuing help and pictures are greatly appreciated.

Take Care. Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: artdec0 on Monday 23 November 09 22:09 GMT (UK): Not sure if this is what you want, Folks, but here goes...

Edward James Walding of 56 Lawrence St.
CSM 200019 Northants Regiment
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: artdec0 on Monday 23 November 09 22:20 GMT (UK): and...

Frederick George Mason
KOYLI in Malta, Salonika etc then
Pte. 44477 2nd Bn. KSLI
from 40 Grafton Street.

died aged only 40 from pnuemonia in 1933, and buried in Billing Road Cemetery (which I managed to keep open for a further 25 years by getting a Bill through Parliament - proud moment! :)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 24 November 09 21:07 GMT (UK): Hi Ron. :)

Thank you so much for the new photographs.

They are greatly appreciated.

I will make you a card tomorrow. :)

Congratulations on getting the grave rights lengthened
as you say must have made you feel VERY PROUD.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 28 November 09 18:09 GMT (UK): Hi All.

I would like to add my Grateful Thanks to Rosalind for the information
from the Wilbarston Roll of Honour List from the Church where she
takes the Remembrance Service every year.

Also to the ladies who were preparing the Church for the Candle and Crib
Festival for this week-end who offered me a warm drink.

I hope that your services are well attended. :)

It was extremely cold and windy yesterday when I visited and like Brampton Ash
the Church is on the Hill so the winds gust across the Churchyard.

I think that is all I will be doing this year, as the colder weather makes
it quite a job.

Please continue with sharing any photographs, information etc.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 26 January 10 17:57 GMT (UK): Hi All.

I have still been receiving photographs from elsewhere. :)

In case anyone else coming along has any bumping up.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 20 July 10 12:36 BST (UK): I would like to add my thanks to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission staff
who have been so helpful with information relating to my project.

I made these cards for them as I am always appreciative of the time and
helpfulness given to me.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: rancegal on Friday 30 July 10 15:03 BST (UK): Hello Sandy, I've just been reading this fascinating thread, and thought you might find this link interesting. You may know it already, of course. http://www.raundswarmemorials.org/117.html

Here is a link to the tragic story of a Northampton WW2 casualty. This man's wife was a lovely lady whom I met towards the end of her life. I don't think she ever recovered from losing him, especially knowing how he died. Fellow Rootschatters found him for me.
http://www.bombercrew.com/107/brown.htm
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 30 July 10 18:17 BST (UK): Hi rancegal.

I am afraid one of my best friends died today so I will not be helping
here for awhile.

Thank you very much for the links.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: phill55 on Wednesday 01 September 10 20:58 BST (UK): Hi
What a great idea l will try and scan some of the mallards army pictures first world war

also found
l
Alfred LEACH ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY DRIVER
Cyril Ansell Victor LEACH 24TH D E C PRIVATE
Ernest LEACH ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY PRIVATE
Frank Harry LEACH ARMY ORDNANCE CORPS PRIVATE
George LEACH 8TH NORTHAMPTONSHIRE PRIVATE
Percy William LEACH 1ST/3RD BEDFORDSHIRE YEOMANRY (lived on park road dallington)
Sidney George LEACH NORTHAMPTONSHIRE YEOMANRY TROOPER
William MALLARD NORTHAMPTONSHIRE YEOMANRY PRIVATE

Charles SPARROW ARMY SERVICE CORPS SERGEANT

l have found 1 mallard who was in the royal veterinary corp during the 1st world war and died in 1921

My brother has a medal from the (leach side) for the boar war also
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 01 September 10 22:37 BST (UK): Thank You Phil.

I am just cross-stitching a Poppy card for someone who kindly
left (without my knowledge) a book she did for her B A History.

It is called "Military Extempion Tribunals 1915-1918" and she left it
at the Northampton Library for me the other week.

Folks kindness is never-ending.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: phill55 on Thursday 02 September 10 15:55 BST (UK): hi

If whilst on the subject on military history . in the hope of a militarian will browse through

not related to the northants regiments
My grandfather badge on his uniform from a picture l saw was a witch on a broomstick .
if anyone knows which regiment etc it relates to l would love to know
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: scrimnet on Thursday 02 September 10 16:11 BST (UK): Have you got the pic Phil? If so stick it up and we'll do the business
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 02 September 10 16:56 BST (UK): Funny that I am not getting help with this topic oh holy than thou,
that James thought might be Northants Man. :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,479977.0.html

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 05 September 10 20:19 BST (UK): Have now.

Thanks, oh Son of Mine. :)

Mum
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 November 10 17:17 GMT (UK): With another year passed and Remembrance Day on Thursday,
remembering my own relatives from Northamptonshire.

On Wellingborough War Memorial.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 November 10 17:22 GMT (UK): Also on Wellingborough War Memorial.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 November 10 17:24 GMT (UK): Walter is buried in Doddington Rd Cemetery, Wellingborough.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: PalmTree1 on Saturday 13 November 10 00:52 GMT (UK): Hi Sandy,

I have a couple of WWII fellows for you.

First my uncle Jack (Jack Harold Berrill) born Wellingborough 22/12/1910 and saw service with the Royal Marines in South Africa and Italy (at least) but ended up being invalided out with TB after being shipped from tropical climes to Scotland in winter but still with tropical kit!

Second up is cousin Charlie (Charles Edward William Frost) born Daventry Q4/1920 and served as Trooper #7893070 with the 46th (The Liverpool Welsh) Battalion, Royal Tank Regiment, R.A.C. Killed during fighting on the Campoleone Salient at Anzio during Operation Shingle on 04/02/1944 and buried in Grave XX.J.4 at the Beach Head War Cemetery, Anzio, Italy. (Picture taken at Cairo when part of Monty's Desert Rats).

Hope they are of interest/use to you.

Regards,
Paul
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Post by: seahall on Saturday 13 November 10 08:56 GMT (UK): Thank you Paul.

I very much appreciate them.

Especially the background information to go with the excellent photographs.

Thanks again.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: hertford on Monday 31 January 11 17:08 GMT (UK): I have just read this. I have sent two sets of photos on Alan Clarke's website with names, I found them may late father's effects.I will try to attach one here.
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Post by: seahall on Monday 23 May 11 22:03 BST (UK): Hi hertford.

Welcome to Rootschat. :)

I haven't been on for awhile so only just got to your reply.

Thank you for posting the information above and link.

Much appreciated.

Sandy
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Post by: PhilA on Friday 10 June 11 13:11 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

It's PhilA (Phil Andrews of Wootton) here, you directed me to this site yesterday. You've been helping me with the project to record the history of 130 men on the Daventry Great war memorial (In particular the search for W Wadsworth of the Kings Rifle Brigade).
The main researcher chap of each soldier's history is Gerry Thompson (who I've yet to meet) but I notice on the website he has states he has photos on many of the men, so when he has time I'm sure he'll be pleased to let you have copies - and you may have some for him?. I'm tracking down the names that he can't find and as a by-product connecting them by family too!
I've just looked though all 13 pages here and I can't see a singe mention of Daventry men at all!!
I have a few pictures of my family from WWI on my ancestry site which you can glady have. In what format is best for you? Do you want to copy them off there if I give you their names? Or what?
Although I read your initial post I'm uncertain what your project is! Is this the end product where people can just view? or is there another site in some sequence of which war and regiment etc? Are you collating for a book? Or it is just completely random submission on here?
Do you want pictures of serving soldiers in later wars? - if so I'll let you take a photo of me!

Regards
Phil
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Post by: seahall on Friday 10 June 11 15:21 BST (UK): HI Phil.

Thanks for your replying to message left on your Daventry Roll of Honour Topic.

You must be exhausted after reading all the pages. :)

At the moment I am collating as much information I can about Northamptonshire Men
such as CWGC graves (also non war graves mentioning the Soldier on the family
headstone) in the Northants Cemeteries and headstone from abroad if available, the
mens personal records, photographs, etc, etc.

I am in-debted to folk who have kindly donated photographs of their relatives
here and elsewhere who also served but were not killed.

I will P.M. you about your kind offer which is greatly appreciated.

I have been to Daventry and taken photographs of the War Memorial
(nearly fell down the slope) and all possible graves I could find in the
Churchyard.

I do appreciate the photograph though, as I am sure others will.

Will be in touch, thanks again.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Monday 13 June 11 07:26 BST (UK): Hi again Phil.

Thank you for the e-mail and all the brilliant information contained
in it also. :)

I would also like to thank the folk on Alan's site that have allowed me to
use their information, I greatly appreciate it as it adds to the
stories of these courageous men.

Although the information is in the public domain asking to using it
means that I have in some cases gleaned more, and I feel it was
only polite to ask.

If any of you would like a remembrance card just ask.

I am deeply touched by all the folk who are being so kind in their
assistance with my project.

Sandy
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Post by: PhilA on Saturday 25 June 11 14:54 BST (UK): Sandy - My Grandad. I will get photos from Daventry WW1 memorial project.
Stevbie - Some of 112 men on Daventry WW1 Memorial were Northamptonshire Regt - names to follow. Many are my relations hence I've been asked to help them. http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Northamptonshire/Daventry.html

Please Anyone who can add anything on my G/Dad I'd be very grateful for.

Stanley Walter MARRIOTT my maternal G/dad b 1894 Northampton 18 Oakley St, C1911 at 77 Cecil Rd

Enlisted in Army Pay Corps (most of cousins in Daventry went into infantry or artillery).
Picture far R at back as Cpl in RAPC. Regt No: 103620 and seems kept same Regt no as it's on his medal rim?
17/11/16 - APC Event (I have the original Dining Out menu signed by all the 60 men): "On occasion of NCOs and men transferring to combatent units". Stan went into Machine Gun Corps (But their archivist unable to help identify his unit, war diary or service) - but G/dad kept this move secret from family (Maybe - he saw no need to alarm them considering 20 deaths of relatives in DAVENTRY?). Only found out he was in MGC two years ago when doing my family tree (during my rehabilitation) and found old docs.

1919 - Certifcate from Maj-Gen Kellett for MGC service to CQMS SW MARRIOTT. Very responsible role.
Got Arabic bank notes (confirms he served in 'Mespot'.)
Got Cyrillic ticket stubs (noted that MGC served in NW Russia) - where??
1919 Demobbed lived Norman Rd, Abington. 4 daughters. Worked at Crockett & Jones. A gentleman.
Sep 74 aged 79 was best man for his brother in law who re-married at age 94!!

I'll spread word for your request.

Regards

Phil (EX Army & RAF - and there's a story!)
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Post by: hertford on Saturday 25 June 11 16:20 BST (UK): There is an article in Family Tree this month about Fred Cockerill of Northampton Regiment ( a survivor of the Hush Campaign) and his showgirl wife.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 25 June 11 17:00 BST (UK): Thank you Phil for your assistance, appreciated.

I have a Charles William Marriott (2nd Lieut., 5th Bn Roy. Berks) @ 77 Cecil Road
noted in the Absent Voters List 1919.

Hopefully Steve can confirm.

The photographs you have put on the forum and information
is once again gratefully received by myself and others here.

hertford thank you very much also about the article, I will try and get a copy.

Sandy
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 25 June 11 19:01 BST (UK): I will pick up the magazine and view the article with interest. This is my own biography on Frederick Charles Cockerill:

Lieutenant Frederick Charles Cockerill

Frederick Charles Cockerill was born in 1882 in Northampton. Frederick was the son of Thomas Cockerill (1849-1889) and Mrs. Matilda Jane Cockerill (1851-1933, nee Faulkner), of 74 Swan Street, Northampton. Frederick had one brother and one sister - Thomas Ernest Cockerill (born in 1873) and Ethel Jane Cockerill (born in 1877).

Educated at Northampton School, Frederick Cockerill played cricket for Northamptonshire prior to the war. Moving to London, Frederick became a music hall manager, a position that enabled him to meet his future wife – Lilian George, who was better known as Queenie Leighton, a music hall star during the 1900s and 1910s.

Queenie Leighton was born on 18th July 1872 as Lilian George in Auroraville, Wisconsin and came to England at a young age. She first appeared on stage at the age of eight in Oxford, and began her stage career proper as Lilian Leighton when she appeared at Northampton in 1889. In the 1900s and 1910s she became a music hall start – appearing in a long run of shows at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane. She also appeared at the Gaiety Theatre, the Coliseum and the Tivoli. She was well known as a principal boy in pantomime.

When Frederick Cockerill joined the Army in November 1914 it was as a Private in the 28th Battalion of the London Regiment (Artist’s Rifles). Allocated No. 2879, Private Cockerill embarked to France on 14th February 1915. There he joined the establishment of the 1/28th Battalion who were operating as Officers Training Corps based at Bailleul. In April 1915 the Artists’ Rifles moved to St Omer. Like many of the men with the Artist’s Rifles, Frederick Cockerill received his officer training over the five and a half months he spent with them in France and was discharged to a Commission on 29th July 1915.

Despite being discharged to his commission in July 1915, Frederick Cockerill was commissioned as a Second Lieutenant on 24th October 1915. At that time he was on leave in the UK, during which time he married Lilian George / Queenie Leighton at Fulham Registry Office on 27th October 1915. The next day, 28th October 1915, Second Lieutenant Cockerill returned to France and was posted to 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment on arrival. The battalion spent the time that Frederick Cockerill was with them in the Loos sector through the rest of 1915 and the first half of 1916. Many of the officers moved companies within the battalion on a fairly regular basis, of which there is little record, but Second Lieutenant Cockerill was part of “A” Company as of April 1916, and by the beginning of July 1916 had moved to “D” Company.

On 20th July 1916, the battalion took part in an operation in the “Switch Line” trench system near Pozieres, where the battalion bombed it’s way along the trench system that was partly held by the British and partly by the Germans. Second Lieutenant Cockerill was heavily involved in the attacks with grenades on the German barricades, both in personally bombing the German barricades and in leading his men in the same. The Germans fought back with grenades of their own, one exploding near Frederick Cockerill and wounding him with numerous small fragments. Though Second Lieutenant Cockerill walked away from the battle with his wounds, he was evacuated back to England.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 25 June 11 19:02 BST (UK): Recovery from his wounds took Frederick Cockerill about six months, and he returned to the 1st Battalion in April 1917. Second Lieutenant Cockerill was promoted to Temporary Lieutenant on 1st July 1917.

On 10th July 1917, the 1st Battalion was decimated in the Battle of the Dunes where it lost all the men and officers (apart from nine men) that were stationed in the dunes at Nieuport when the Germans launched their attack. Fortunately for Lieutenant Cockerill he was not on duty in the dunes on that fateful day for the battalion, instead being one of the ten battalion officers either behind the lines or on leave.

From the end of August 1917 until the end of September the battalion and the rest of the 1st Division were sequestered under “quarantine” whilst training for Operation Hush, an amphibious assault on the Belgian coast, however a lack of progress in the Ypres offensives on which the operation was largely reliant meant the plan was postponed and eventually cancelled. After coming out of quarantine, the battalion headed off to the Ypres salient but arrived once the offensive had faltered.

Replacing worn out units in the line, the 1st Battalion spent the rest of 1917 and the first three months of 1918 in the Ypres Salient, where they were when the German offensive was launched further south. The battalion’s action on the 21st March 1918 – when the rest of the British Army was on the retreat – consisted of a raid on the German trenches to discover whether the Germans planned an attack in that sector. That part of the Western Front was quiet however, and the 48th was soon moved south to bolster the defences at Givenchy.

Going into the line at Givenchy in April 1918, the 1st Northamptons were called on to help recapture high ground north of Givenchy on the 19th April 1918. Lieutenant Cockerill was part of “A” Company during that attack and was wounded during the recapture of the lost trenches. His evacuation from Givenchy ended his overseas involvement in the Great War.

On recovery – at least partially – from his wounds, Frederick Cockerill was attached to the Machine Gun Corps and appointed as an acting Captain whilst employed as an Assistant Instructor in the Machine Gun Corps (Infantry) from 11th November 1918 to 16th December 1918 / 12th January 1919.

Fred and Queenie's photo from the local press:
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 25 June 11 19:23 BST (UK): Thanks for listing Steve.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 25 June 11 20:10 BST (UK): The Northampton Roll of Honour from 1916 (from Northants Family Tree site) shows:

Charles William MARRIOTT, 77 CECIL ROAD, 7TH NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, SERGEANT
Stanley Walter MARRIOTT, 77 CECIL ROAD, ARMY PAY CORPS, CORPORAL

http://www.northants-familytree.net/soldier%20index%20roll%20of%20honour.htm

The 1918 AVL shows:

Marriott, Charles William, 77 Cecil Road, Cadet, Officer Training Corps, Pirbright.

There is no entry for Stanley Walter Marriott at that address.

It is sometimes possible to garner some information from the records of men with nearby numbers. That of Percy Thomas Wooldridge, who also served in the APC and then the MGC may be helpful in giving us some possible dates of transfer:

Percy Thomas Wooldridge

Enlisted on 20-11-1914
A railway clerk
Posted to Army Pay Corps, No. 3733
Transferred to 96th Training Reserve Battalion, No. TR/7/17600 on 24-3-1917
Transferred to Machine Gun Corps, No. 103625 on 10-5-1917
To France on 10-8-1917
Posted to 54th Company M.G.C. (54th Brigade, 18th Division)
To Base Depot, 1-11-1917
Transferred back to Army Pay Corps, No. 3733 (as previously), on 29-12-1917
Class Z Reserve on 8-4-1919

We cannot however rely on the unit that Pte. Wooldridge was posted to being the same as that to which Stanley Marriott was posted.

I think that "Major General Kellett" is Major-General Richard Orlando Kellett, C.B., C.M.G. (14.1.1864 - 12.11.1931) who commanded 99th Infantry Brigade from 1916 to 1918 and then one of the Machine Gun Corps Training Centres from 1918 to 1919. Presumably the certificate is from his later duties so gives us no clues as to his whereabouts whilst overseas.

Steve.
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Post by: Stebie9173 on Saturday 25 June 11 20:55 BST (UK): I don't have much on Charles William Marriott apart from the following.

- Enlisted in mid-September 1914
- Posted to Edgar Mobbs "D" Company
- A Corporal in "D" Company, 7th Battalion per Embarkation Roll in August 1915.
- Reported as Wounded as a Private with 7th Bn. per the Times of 10-11-1915.
- Wounded at Dixsmude on 18-10-1915 per local press.
- Unknown when or if returned to a fighting unit, or if with 7th Bn.
- Trained at an Officer Cadet Battalion at Pirbright (probbaly from January 1918)
- Discharged to Commission, 28-5-1918.
- Served with Royal Berkshire Regiment
- Attached to "3rd Battalion of Monmouthshire Regiment" per WO338 Index
- Relinquished commission on 1-9-1921.
- Northamptonshire Regiment 15637, Royal Berkshire Regiment 2/Lt.
- Of 77 Cecil Road, Northampton.
- Mentioned in Despatches.

Relinquishing of commission:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/32559/pages/10569

Photos of him and his bride appeared in the Northampton Independent of 28-1-1916 on the event of their marriage.
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Post by: seahall on Saturday 25 June 11 22:35 BST (UK): Obviously then the entry I have was different. :)

No mention of Stanley either at that address in 1919.

Phil don't forget the Northampton Western Front Association
which may be of a great help to you.

http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/northamptonshire.html

Also the Great War Forum.

Alan's index is in-valuable too besides all his other information
on Northamptonshire Folk.

See his web links on the bottom of my post.

Edit: Does anyone have knowledge of a Francis Smart who was in
the Northants Regt WW1 at all please.

Sandy
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Post by: PhilA on Sunday 26 June 11 17:10 BST (UK): Thanks Stevbie9173 and Seahall. Charles (b in Dav) and Stanley MARRIOTT (b in N'pton) were brothers, family moved to town 1891-94.

With thanks to Northampton independant I have transcribed the wedding article:

The marriage took place at Holy Trinity Church on Saturday of Sergt (Sgt) C. W. Marriott of the 7th Northamptons, eldest son of Mr & Mrs C. Marriott, of 77 Cecil Rd, and Bertha Inwood, younger daughter of Mr Fred Inwood, formerly of Northampton. The bridegroom is well known is local swimming circles. He was the representative of the Bective Swimming Club on the Leather Trades’ League Committee and was also a member of the Northampton Amateur Swimming Club. He joined the 7th Northamptons on its formation and was soon promoted Sergeant. He was wounded at Dixsmunde on October 18th (1915) but made a good recovery at Trent Bridge Military Hospital. It is expected, however, that he will have to undergo a further operation to his arm before he is fit again for active service.

My Comments: Charles did join Col Mobbs 'Sportsmen) 7 Bn (to whom we do have a loose family connection).
The Information on Stanley's "number colleague in MGC" could unlock a few doors many thanks.

George Louis MARRIOTT b 1889 was a brother (in between) who enlisted into Northants Regt Special Res as a Shoehand No 8764. However, he died Jun 1912 (Reason NK).
Another 2 photo oft Stan to follow.....!
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Post by: PhilA on Sunday 26 June 11 17:28 BST (UK): Sally,
I posted my G/dad yesterday (Sgt). These are last two I have of him in military, thought you may find them interesting?

Cpl Stanley Marriott b NORTHAMPTON both taken about 1914.

1. As Corporal in Army Pay Corps. Based at Warwick
2. In Periott costume (on the right - anyone recognise his mate?), must be for a military concert party! Periott's were famous music hall entertainment combinations of the day: A compere, juggler, joke teller, slaptick, singer and group events. No idea what my G/father's skill was but I inherited these genes but sadly not the costume. Professional touring companies used to appear opposite Abington Pk Hotel (APH) and the gates to park on Wellingbrough Rd.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 26 June 11 19:11 BST (UK): Sandy,

I don't have anything more on Francis Smart than his service records which are on Ancestry.

Steve.
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 07:49 BST (UK): Ok Steve.

I have already got that info and his medal card.

A photo would have been nice though, I will have to pop
over to TGWF later then.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 07:53 BST (UK): HI again Phil.

Thank you for posting more photographs and information.

Greatly appreciated.

Maybe Jellybe can help you about Concert Parties, just maybe as
I don't want to get your hopes up.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dyi/

Kate hasn't been on since September, yet I will leave a message
elsewhere for her.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 09:13 BST (UK): Oh Phil.

I am sorry I forgot to say if you would like a card
just send me an address anywhere will do (in a P.M.)
and I will make one.

Sandy
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Post by: Jellyby on Monday 27 June 11 15:34 BST (UK): Thankyou Sandy, who has called me over from the Great War Forum.

Hello Phil,

First, the bad news, currently I have no-one matching Stanley Marriott by the details you give above. I do have a record of an Army Pay Corps concert party in Cairo in 1916. Did he make his way there at all?

However, I am a bit confused (which is par for the course with me, I'm afraid!)

Did Stanley remain in the APC throughout the war?

You mention the MGC, and they had plenty of concert parties; but what intruiged me was the photo of the group sitting on benches you posted on the previous page, beneath the one of the couple in the cameo.

The soldiers appear to be members of the Royal Artillery, I can't be sure, as I'm going by the general shape of their badge; however, what intruiged me is that they are sitting in front of what might be a stage with a painted backdrop. Can you determine what is actually behind them on the original?

The photo of Stanley and the two pierrots are low-res, so I cannot say for sure if I recognise them, but as I have a particular interest in local soldiers, I will certainly keep a lookout for him.

By the way, the group of pierrots who performed in Abington Park in Edwardian times were Grapho & Jackson's. They left to become the resident troupe at Saltburn-on-Sea.

Also, many thanks for providing the link to the Northamptonshire section of the WFA site. One of our members has created an individual site for the branch:

http://www.northantswfa.org.uk/

We also produce our own newsletter The Whizzbang. Would you be interested in wriiting an article on your relations?
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 16:14 BST (UK): Hi Kate.

Long time no see. :)

I thought for a moment your last sentence to Phil was to me as
I put the link for him on the previous page.

Glad it wasn't as I wouldn't have wanted to write anything on my
own 3 men as I do not have enough other than basic information and
what Steve kindly noted, and TGWF therefore not my own work.

Will be in touch.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 18:58 BST (UK): And seeing these are Northampton Men/Women Post-1945 maybe others may
have information to assist here.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/branches/northampton/roll-of-honour

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Monday 27 June 11 21:06 BST (UK): Just so we get back on topic I will start a new request about
the British Legion as I have started to drift.

No change there then :).

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: PhilA on Thursday 30 June 11 15:35 BST (UK): Hi JellyBean
Sorry for delay, happens frequently as unwell and drugs knock me out!
I'm a novice here and astonished at the depth and spread of knowledge. A couple of photos for Seahall has provoked interest, and so happy that it makes others happy. I put Stan's brief history and answers on previous page:
1. My G/dad Stan was in APC until end of 1917 when 60 who were at Warwick where had a dinner in local Woolpack hotel on occasion of being transferred to combatant units!! (he kept it secret from daughters and maybe from his wife?). Not all to same units - but he enlisted into MGC. His two service medals are stamped on rim as him in MGC not APC.
2. I need his war records and a son in law (who's ex-military like me) of another of his daughters should be applying. I will press for update. He was CQMS so vital role in provding equpiment for company.
3. I know Middle East and Russian front connection but never heard of Egyptian but I'll ask my aunt (it's difficult as she's far away and we both have mobility issues). I think she's fitter at 88 than I at 54, also best to ask these Qs in person too, so I'll ask my cousin's wife to do that!
4. Bench !! Yes never realised it could be a stage, that makes perfect reason for a picture to be taken too doesn't it? Never guessed connected - piccies only recently in our possession. Ta for info you gave on pro troupe - makes you sound local!!?
5. Cap badge - at 500% look all same shape and as Stan in APC then all must be APC. I know badges fairly well and would stake 50p on them being APC.
6. Whizzbang, yes had brief look on web. Yes I'll be honoured to write a piece - Needs picture - which one?, got original signed menu too!! what angle? how many words? Vital we use the info we all have keep memories and interest alive.
7. Other articles: I'm working on Stan due to him losing so many cousins etc http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Northamptonshire/Daventry.html . My recent posts on here in County I mention the angle of the 'family' who didn't come back. Project work with British Legion's to update their website

Regards

PHIL
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Post by: seahall on Friday 01 July 11 07:01 BST (UK): HI All. :)

Thank you everyone so far, the response has been over-whelming.

SANDY
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Post by: seahall on Saturday 10 September 11 16:24 BST (UK): HI All.

I would like to thank Mary, Susan and sister and Jayne and partner
who kindly shared some information and photos of their
Northamptonshire relatives who fought in WW1/WW2 with me today.

Also Stebie here who was so kind sharing info with me also.

I appreciate it as always and am astounded by folks kindness.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Friday 14 October 11 17:16 BST (UK): HI All.

The Wellingborough Museum is having a special remembrance day
tomorrow Saturday 15th October 2011.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Friday 11 November 11 10:01 GMT (UK): In this the 90th Year of the Royal British Legion

We will remember them always.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 04 April 12 20:38 BST (UK): Hi All.

I met someone who is doing a project on Wellingborough War
Memorial this week.

If anyone can help him (or me :)) with information about the
named men on it please contact me as I can not put his name
on the forum.

Thanks. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 05 April 12 19:14 BST (UK): Just thought I can put his web link though. :)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0l3a/

Happy Easter All.

Sandy
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Post by: forester on Thursday 05 April 12 19:26 BST (UK): Happy Easter to you too Sandy,

Phil
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Post by: seahall on Thursday 05 April 12 19:34 BST (UK): Ah Bless. :)

Good to see your own War Web Links expanding Phil. :)

I am still plodding on with my project as you can see.

Sandy
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Post by: scrimnet on Wednesday 11 April 12 16:29 BST (UK): I think you ought to go on Facebook mum and look at the "Northampton Past" page....loads of pics and things...you'd love it..
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 13 April 12 19:17 BST (UK): Been there ages ago.

Thanks.

Mum :)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 19 May 12 15:38 BST (UK): Hi All.

As we have a lot of new Northants Chatters I hope you do not mind me
bumping this up in case we can assist each other.

Please be aware that I have been in-formed that as our pictures are
in the Public Domain they may be used elsewhere without our consent.

I really hope this does not deter from further assistance but
would understand whole heartedly if it did.

Obviously I can always receive a Personal Message.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 20 May 12 11:01 BST (UK): Goodness I forgot to thank Nigel. THANK YOU. :)

He has a topic/picture about his relative, a Soldier, Samuel Waters here.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mlk/

The Armed Forces is a place to seek Northants Soldier Information
that may not be put on the boards here. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: NDRFT on Monday 21 May 12 17:07 BST (UK): Sandy
Your acknowledgement of my small contribution is very thoughtful but I was more pleased to help you in exchange for all your efforts on my behalf
Nigel
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 21 May 12 21:18 BST (UK): THanks Nigel.

Appreciate your words.

Sandy :)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 12 June 12 19:07 BST (UK): Hi Sandy
How are you?

Now this could be one of those dughhhh type questions, but how can I just browse the photos you are collecting or do you have plans to 'put them out there' some time so we can take a look.

Off to dry me wellies out next down here in sunny - not - sussex!!

Nigel
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 13 June 12 23:38 BST (UK): Hi Nigel.

I do not mind the weather as I have been on 2 lots of antibiotics for
over a week and therefore been sleeping away the days. :)

Only joking about the sleeping, feeling much better now though.

You can click with your right mouse button and save the picture into a
folder and then browse I suppose.

Or you could cut and paste the images into a word document.

If you have a problem let me know.

I did say I would not "put them out there" without consent so
I will not be putting them in the public domain myself.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: NDRFT on Thursday 14 June 12 07:43 BST (UK): Morning Sandy

Sorry you haven't been too well, mind you a dose of anti biotics now and a gain can't be bad anyway!!

Now these photos, what I was trying to say is where are they? Its that dughh question - are they just in this thread on here and to see them we have to go through each of the 20 odd pages or are they collectively available to see some where where we can just scroll through the photos?
Do I make sense?

On the road today and tomorrow so may be a day or two before I get back on here

Nigel

Sunny here at the moment this morning!
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 14 June 12 09:44 BST (UK): Morning Nigel.

Sunny here too!!!!!! it makes such a difference doesn't it.

If you like I will send you a e-mail of them.

Enjoy your trip out and about. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Mark Fisher on Tuesday 03 July 12 22:26 BST (UK): (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/WG%20Hunt/WGHuntMessDress.jpg)

My Grandfather Walter George Hunt

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/WG%20Hunt/Band.jpg)

As Drum Major 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/WG%20Hunt/NamePlate.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/WG%20Hunt/Paybook2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Molesworth/WG%20Hunt/Paybook3.jpg
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: NDRFT on Wednesday 04 July 12 08:07 BST (UK): Hi Mark

Welcome to Roots, it great in here, so many people who will help, challenge and generally get you on to the next problem in your tree!!!

I am certain Seahall will be along in a bit about your photo additios which are very good and will be right up her street.

NDRFT
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 13 July 12 13:45 BST (UK): HI Mark.

Welcome to Rootschat. :)

I am so sorry I have only just noticed a reply to my topic.

The photographs are wonderful and I thank you sincerely
for sharing with me.

If you would like a remembrance card please just reply to 2
more queries and then you can send me a Personal Message
with where you would like it sent.

Thanks once again, greatly appreciated.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 13 July 12 13:50 BST (UK): Just thinking Mark.

Do you have all the information on your Grandfathers time with
the Northamptonshire Regiment.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Mark Fisher on Friday 13 July 12 14:57 BST (UK): Hi Sandy thanks for the response. I know very little about my Grandfather, it's not a happy tale. What I do know is that his from his paybook Regimental Number 5875149 Date of Birth 13 Apr 04. I'm not sure when he first enlisted but he signed on for 9+3 on 17 Jul 25. Against his signature he has put Cpl but in the portion about previous service it says Nil. I don't quite understand this. The only other things that I know are the places where he served and that at one time he was the Drum Major. I have a few photos of the move to Iraq by air, some of which are the same as the collection of the Northamptonshire Museums on Flicker.

During the Second World War I believe he served in Burma leaving his wife and three daughters in their house in Kettering. It was during the war that my Grandmother got a job at the USAAF base at Grafton Underwood. There then followed a relationship with an American Sergeant. When my Grandfather returned, I assume in 1945, the family disintegrated and he was left on his own in this house in Kettering. Any mention of my Grandfather was forbidden and certainly there was no contact with his daughters.

Sometime in the middle of 1979 my Mother was contacted by the Police and told that my grandfather had died. I don't know how they found her to tell her. I was stationed quite close at the time (I was in the RAF) I attended his funeral at Kettering Crematorium. The house had fallen into dereliction and almost uninhabitable. Every room was piled high with 30 years of junk. Like I said not a happy story and as I get older it has become one of my deepest regrets that I wasn't allowed to know him.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 13 July 12 16:26 BST (UK): Hi Mark.

How very sad. :(

Sometime relatives do not understand that other family members
may want contact with loved ones even though they do not.

It must have been a terrible time for the family and I really appreciate
you sharing with me.

Is there no other family member who knew him and would fill in
some gaps for you.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Mark Fisher on Friday 13 July 12 16:56 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

It seems that everything prior to 1945 was expunged from our family history. I know when the family split up it had a very bad effect on my Mother, she was sent to live with an Aunt and that feeling of rejection has never left her. All I have is a few Photos of (Walter) George Hunt and some mementos of his Army service. There were some other family photos that were quickly snapped up by my Mother and Aunts who were desperate to have some record of their childhoods. After his funeral we briefly talked to a neighbour who said that he had worked in shoe factory before retirement.

Does the name Clifford Jordan mean anything in relation to someone else serving, probably in the band of the Northamptonshire Regiment? I only ask as written in pencil in the back of his Paybook is this: "Good Luck boy and God bless you Your Best Pal Cliff Jordan Blackdown 11 April 27"
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 14 July 12 10:38 BST (UK): Morning Mark.

I am afraid I do not know of a Clifford Jordan.

Maybe contacting Northampton Musuem would be usefull.

Have you applied for Walter's service record being his grand-son
as you do not say if your Mother is still living.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Mark Fisher on Saturday 14 July 12 10:47 BST (UK): Good Morning Sandy, thanks for your reply. Any good links to go about getting my Grandfathers service record? My Mother is still alive but in a very bad way and isn't in a position to fill in any of the blanks.

Thanks again Mark.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 15 July 12 11:23 BST (UK): Hi Mark.

I have sent you the information in a P.M. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 19 August 12 08:38 BST (UK): Hi All.

I would like to add my grateful thanks to Julie here for the
photographs of her relatives she has shared with me.

Greatly appreciated as always. Priceless.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Edrubava on Sunday 19 August 12 15:01 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

Glad to help :)

Any pointers on earlier wars? A great grandfather is missing in 1891 and 1901 (comes home in between as he marries and has children) and in a photo later in his life we can see medals poking out from under his jacket.

Have seen a name matching his on a site but nothing to confirm it is him? Just wondered if there was anywhere I could start looking?

Regards
Julie
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 19 August 12 15:34 BST (UK): Earlier service records are generally stored at the National Archives under the archive series of files referenced as WO97. FindMyPast has these digitalised. The search index often has a date and place of birth. If he served in a campaign in India or South Africa then medal entitlement would be in WO100 (though with no identifying details). WO100 is on Ancestry. It might be an idea to start a new topic asking for help, since we would not want to derail Sandy's main request topic here.

Incidentally, are you the one who Sandy is looking for details of Amos John Floyd Brooks for?

Steve.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 19 August 12 17:17 BST (UK): Hi Julie.

In answer to Steve's question the answer is YES for Amos, although as
you e-mailed me I presumed it was personal.

Never mind I have already sent you a link to the other topic.

Also the Welliingborough Memorial with his name and the entry of
the W.D.

You can start a request on the Armed Forces board for the person
I know you mean.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 19 August 12 19:12 BST (UK): Hi All.

As folk may also ask assistance re: their Northants folk on other boards.

Therefore I will ask permission for a copy of any photographs on the
relevant topic as well as any kindly posted here.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 04 November 12 08:47 GMT (UK): HI All.

There is another topic saying that today there will be an event
and book to purchase of Harlestone War Memorial.

It is between 2 to 4 at the Village Hall.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 04 November 12 16:02 GMT (UK): Just arrived home from getting my book with a personal
inscription by the Author. :)

Shame it said Harlestone Village Institute and not where it was.

As my hubby and I have lived in Northants all our lives, I was not even
aware it was in Upper Harlestone so had to call at The Fox and Hounds
in Lower Harlestone to get directions from the Landlord. :)

Lots of folk attended.

Just image if it wasn't for Rootschat I would never have known and only
have been able to get a copy without the author's signature at the Library. :)

Now for some reading.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: hertford on Sunday 04 November 12 16:37 GMT (UK): As we approach 11 November I thought I would put this information out again for others who are interested to see. The original was among my late fathers effects ( SQMS Green)
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: hertford on Sunday 04 November 12 16:42 GMT (UK): As we approach 11 November I thought I would put this information out again for others who are interested to see. The original was among my late fathers effects ( SQMS Green)This lists the names row by row
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 05 November 12 10:27 GMT (UK): Thank you Hertford.

I have seen them on Alan's web site.

Greatly appreciated.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: hertford on Monday 05 November 12 15:45 GMT (UK): In the spirit of remembrance I thought now would be the right time to add these photos and documents from my small collection
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 11 November 12 00:04 GMT (UK): Thanks again Hertford.

On this Remembrance Sunday we will again remember them.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: dcbnwh on Monday 12 November 12 09:27 GMT (UK): The attached picture is of a memorial to the residents of Albert Place in Peterborough. It has been repositioned in the Rivergate shopping centre.

It features George Hasdell and there is a memorial in the Cathedral to his brother, Thomas Eggberrie Hasdell, who died in the Boer War.

Some of the other names might be of interest.

David
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 12 November 12 17:33 GMT (UK): Thank you David for posting the Memorials.

Greatly appreciated.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Sunday 17 February 13 10:49 GMT (UK): I am so exicted that I can hardly contain myself. LOL.

I truly hope that something may come out of it though to
re-unite the items I was given by another Rootschatter
a few years ago.

I have found 3 living relatives so will be spending the afternoon
writing letters to see if any of them wish to have the items
rightfully back in their family.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 22 February 13 11:30 GMT (UK): Still no answer to my letters which is not surprising seeing 1st
Class letters and 2nd Class take so long nowadays to arrive.

Yesterday I spent over £17.00 having the 2 articles photocopied
as I realised I would miss having a record of them for myself after
looking after them for 2 years.

Fingers crossed that I get a result, otherwise I will give them to a museum
as I don't want the responsibility of them any longer, mainly because the
embroidery is getting creased and ruined and they deserve to be looked
after properly, not left in the envelope they were sent to me in.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: x Rock ape on Monday 25 February 13 15:19 GMT (UK): Hi Seahall.
I am currently on a project to research the Northamptonshire Regt in WW1. Initially I wanted to do a Regt History, but find myself drawn towards the men rather than the Regt as a whole. I am collecting photos of headstones whilst on the Western Front and now comes the hard bit of putting faces to the names. I have a few good leads and have been given this link as a handy tip.
If we could do some mutual assistance here ie; I load my headstone photos and any images I have been supplied is there any chance of seeing if any of the names I have match images you have ?
I am really after mini Biographies of the men to add to images.
I would also like to match images to the men who have no known grave but and remebered at places like Loos
I hope this makes sense

Graham
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 25 February 13 19:15 GMT (UK): Hi Graham.

Welcome to Rootschat. :)

I did leave a message on TGWF on one of your topics.

I am sure you would have more luck with Scrimnet our Armed Forces mod
and Stebie9173 as they are the "creme de la creme" on the Northants Regiment.

I am just an amateur, saying that I would be willing to help if I can.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 26 February 13 20:54 GMT (UK): Just an up date.

Another Rootschatter (Bless them) contacted one of the relatives on a
network I am not a member of and knows they have seen the message,
but not responded.

Poor Harry, does no one want to have his priceless memories.

As most folk know I willingly take on costs occured for helping others.

I do not seek publicity, purely somewhere, method to return them.

Very, very sad.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Rosie29 on Tuesday 05 March 13 20:57 GMT (UK): I have photos of my father in WWI. He was injured and returned home and lived to be 83.
Shall I send them to this topic, or where?
Rosemarie
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 07 March 13 16:22 GMT (UK): Hi Rosemarie. :)

I would love to have copies and information of your father.

Thank you most kindly for the offer.

I will P.M. you about how we can achieve this.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 08 March 13 12:13 GMT (UK): Photos arrived safely thank you Rosemarie.

I have e-mailed a reply. :)

Greatly appreciated.

Oh and I received a reply to one of my letters on the 6th March,
attached below. MMMMMMMMMM.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 11 March 13 11:00 GMT (UK): Hi All.

Went to the signing at Weston Favell yesterday of the new book
dedicated to the village war dead. :(

John signed it for me. :) lots of folk there who were also doing
their own projects.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Monday 11 March 13 11:03 GMT (UK): Hubby bless him had a go at restoring Harry's photo.

He managed to bring out the wood panelling and plates on the wall
and the detail on one of the ladies skirt.

So in case any other family members see their rellies in the
picture, here it is.

He used PSP 8 and a very strong lamp to bring out the features.

Fingers crossed.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 13 March 13 20:58 GMT (UK): Good news about Harry today.

I have found a home for him :) :) :), although sadly still not with a rellie.

Just need to get it sorted and then I can have closure too.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 22 March 13 10:26 GMT (UK): Absolutely wonderful news. :) :) :)

I am taking copies of Harry's items in awhile to the museum and
will post later when I come home.

Sandy.
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Friday 22 March 13 17:19 GMT (UK): I have posted in The Common Room also.

A Letter I would have written to Harry.

22nd March 2013

Pte. Harry Freer 54, Cyclists Corps 1894 - 15.03.1918

Dear Harry.

I wonder what led to your family photograph and silk embroidery to your Mother
(hidden behind a photo frame brought in France many years later) from World War One.
I wonder if you placed them there hoping one day that your precious items would
eventually be re-united with your loved ones in “Blighty”.
If that was your wish Harry then it has nearly been accomplished after so very, many years.

Through the Rootschat forum and another Rootschatter who asked about you in
June of 2009 the jigsaw is nearly complete.

I have a topic myself asking for photographs, information, etc on the Northamptonshire Board
and amazingly I still get offers of personal items regularly, therefore I gratefully appreciate
the Rootschatters who have assisted me and now your family.
I was intrigued by your story and this is what led to me being custodian, until now, of
the 2 treasures hidden away all those years ago.

I have tried endless avenues over the time that I was given the items in September 2009
to re-unite them with any remaining relatives you still had Harry.
These relatives would obviously not be known to you because of your un-timely death in
WW1 losing your own life 15 March 1918 (now over 95 years).

How many Mothers, Fathers, Son, Daughters, Nieces and Nephews, Aunts and Uncles
etc, lost their loved ones over the 4 year period like yourself and later through the War and beyond.
I could never imagine the heart-ache and grief that must have been suffered the World over.

I do know that it has been a huge struggle over the last 2 years to find any links to your family
Harry, then just a month ago I found a link to your loved ones through your Service Record, I
then wrote letters to what I hoped was 3 living relatives.

I wonder if you could image the dis-appointment I felt when I got no replies for awhile.
I watched the letter box every day, hoping just one letter would get me an answer so I
could return your priceless keepsakes. I received one letter in reply, but it did not help.

My husband told me not to give up after trying for so long but I am afraid the time came
when I felt I could do no more and would have to place your mementoes in a Museum.
It was not a decision I took lightly, but at least someone would be able to see your family
photo and also the wonderful embroidery you stitched, (like so many others) to your Mother.

Other Rootchatters on the forum recently assisted me in enhancing your photo Harry,
to whom I am extremely grateful.
My Husband also did a copy for me, and today I took it to a museum with a copy of your
silk embroidery. The Museum said that wanted to laminate them so could not
use the original items.

How very glad I was Harry, because today I received a letter from a family member
of one of your siblings. They thanked me for writing to the relative who passed
the letter on and would welcome the items etc.
I wonder yet again Harry, whether all those years ago, if that is what you really hoped for,
obviously we will never know.

I also wonder if without the Rootschat Forum which has such dedicated people assisting
others in all manner of ways that this story would have the happy ending that will
now happen because of someone finding your memories and they being returned to England.

It has been a privilege Harry never having known you, yet becoming close to you as a
Mother of 2 sons myself, to have been involved in your story.
I can feel the pride your Mother would have felt if she had known of the wonderful tribute
you stitched and will be delighted to return it to your own sisters family member.

I personally would like to thank Rootschat for allowing me to be part of what has been a
successful end to a moving story which may never have begun without the internet,
the forum, and then a topic asking for assistance to re-unite your belongings.

You can take heart now Harry and know your treasures have reached across the seas
and will be truly where they belong, back with the Freer family.

Sandy

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,388334.0.html
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 02 April 13 18:32 BST (UK): I was begining to feel low again in case they had changed their minds,
but today I received another letter from Harry's relative who wants to
meet up in the near future. ;D ;D ;D

I personally can't wait.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Thursday 11 April 13 14:14 BST (UK): Harry's story gets more complex by the minute. Well for me. :)

I have just received in the post from the National Returns Centre
in BELFAST one of the 1st letters I wrote on 17th Feb 2013.

I personally had all 3 weighed at the Post Office and it says insufficient
postage of 9p.

The person was notified that there was a letter and there would also be
a £1.00 handling fee and as I myself would have done, did not collect it.

So by the 14th March 2013 it was noted that it had not been collected
and between that date and now the letter was opened, presumably
read and returned to me today at 1.20 p.m.

Our post nowadays arrives as late as 4.00.p.m. >:(

I suppose at least I now know it did not get to the person in question.

I wonder if Rosemarie above got the remembrance card I sent over 2
weeks ago, it makes me think. Not asking for a thank you, just curious.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 30 April 13 14:20 BST (UK): Yes Rosemarie did, as she e-mailed the same day. :)

After searching for Harry's relatives for 2½ years and finally speaking
on the phone to his Great Niece I have found that one of Great Grand Aunt's
through her marriage relates to Percy, Harry's brother.

As all my relatives come from Little Harrowden since 1795 once I saw
the village in her line I then checked my own family on Anc**** trees
for my 2nd great grandfather and found the link.

What an unbelievable coincident. So excited. :)

Now I am trying to piece together how his great niece and myself are related.
This means I have had to make a ftm file of her tree which took me most
of the morning, look and alter 4 other gedcom files so the layouts are the same
(still doing) and then do a kinship report.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 15 May 13 10:11 BST (UK): Hi.
I asked for the thread in the Common Room about Harry to be closed.

There were 2 reasons, firstly after the phone call to the great niece
all contact ceased from her side.
I e-mailed her to tell her about our connection, still no reply.
Secondly I was beginning to feel by way of personal messages (PMs) that folks did not
believe she existed.
I have never known myself to lie, (only white ones not to hurt folks feelings)
therefore I felt upset by this.
I therefore on Monday after insisting my Hubby took me to where she
said she lived put copies of Harry's items through her letter box so I
at least fulfilled my part of the bargain I made with James (mackintosh).
I did find a living relative and hopefully she now knows what Harry and his
family looks like and has seen his Mother's silk.
I also told the person about the other family member she knew nothing about.
Hopefully now they may make contact and share photos etc, I sincerely hope so.
I have a tree to Harry now on Anc**** and now consider his story finished here.
I was honoured to be a part of his story and finding a link to Harry with my own tree.

Lest We Forget.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 15 May 13 10:39 BST (UK): On a lighter note only the other day another Rootschatter sent me some of
their relatives for my project.

After saturating this thread with Harry's story :-[ it is good that folk are still
asking if I am doing my project, and I am extremely grateful to them for the
photographs and information they recently sent.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: Edrubava on Wednesday 15 May 13 10:49 BST (UK): Don't worry about 'saturating' the thread with Harry - it has been a wonderful story and I wouldn't have wanted to miss any of it. You did a fantastic job and should be very proud. :D

It's great that you are still getting Northamptonshire men and women for your project, I'll have to do another look around to see if I've missed anyone! ;D
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 15 May 13 14:53 BST (UK): Thank you Julie.

Greatly appreciated.

Always glad to help if I can finding out any thing about them for you also.

Sandy
Title: Re: Photo's of Northamptonshire Men/Women Both Wars Wanted Please
Post by: seahall on Saturday 18 May 13 08:06 BST (UK): HI.

As this topic has got so long I am going to lock it and start another one later on.

Thank you to everyone who gave me photographs and information to assist my project.

Very greatly appreciated.

Sandy

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