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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hampshire & IOW Lookup Requests => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => England => Hampshire & IOW Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: karee.bell on Saturday 22 August 09 08:18 BST (UK)
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trying to find out now the family of Thomas Abraham Linnell born about 1871 in North Hampshire, He had a sister called Alice.
They emigrated to New Zealand and came via South Africa, I am led to believe Thomas was a baby at the time of this.
They were from Hartford Manor
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I'm having real difficulty locating Thomas and Alice in the birth indexes. I think Alice must have been older than him? Do you have the parents' names at all?
My other difficulty is that I don't know of a Hartford Manor in Hampshire. I'm wondering if you mean Northamptonshire, which is a different county altogether. Linnell is a name that I associate with midlands counties of England, rather than the south.
Nell
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His parents are Robert Linnell and Elizabeth Hill
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I'm still having difficulty - the information you give is very sparse :( Was Alice older than Thomas? Have you any idea of his parents ages or when the married? By rights, I should be able to find them on the 1871 census - and I can't.
And I still cannot find a Hartford Manor in Hampshire.
Nell
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Working from what jlinnel has posted;
Robert and Elizabeth LINNELL arrived in NZ ( Auckland) on the "Steinwarder" from Sth Africa 14 October 1864
( I only know this as my G/G/Grandmothers Brother and his Wife were on board also :))
Robert LINNELL, 24
Elizabeth, 25
George, 3
If they are Thomas's parents he may have been born in NZ.
There are births;
George Frederick Linnell 1870
Abraham Linnell 1871
Female Linnell 1869
Male Linnell 1873
No parents are shown on index at this time.
EDIT ; there is a Alice LINNELL, 1881, parents Robert and Elizabeth
Welcome to Rootschat jlinnell :)
Trish
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Hi Nell,
Hopefully Karee will respond to this tomorrow.
And also jlinnell.
I dont have access to Census entries to see if Robert Linnell born c 1840 is from Hampshire.
There is one on the IGI born 1840, Priors Marston, Warwickshire, parents Abraham and Alice.
Trish
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Expanding the dates to find a marriage gets me nowhere definite....
There is the birth of a George Linnell in Towcester RD in 1862. He wouldn't be three by the time they arrived in NewZealand, but I can't find another at the moment. Towcester is in the Midlands - Northamptonshire, not Hampshire.
Trish - yes I just found the Priors Marston Linnels - lots of them! Robert was born 1839, registered Southam RD. Found the family in 1851 too.
Nell
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Waiting till we find what documentary evidence they both have is probably the best idea.
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HI all, I had completely forgotten I had started this thread.
Okay, Alice Linnell was born in Onehunga, South Auckland, New Zealand in 1881. She died in approx 1985 in Onehunga, Auckland. Living in the same house for over 100yrs.
Abraham (later changed his named to Thomas) Linnell was born 1871 in Auckland, New Zealand.
There parents were Robert and Elizabeth (nee Hill)
I have seen the census records for the Linnells from Priors Masters and they are them, after talking to my 84yr old Grandmother (granddaughter of Abraham b1871) she said that the Abraham and Alice (nee Kettle) are his grandparents.
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Hi Karee,
I am somewhat confused here.
Your original request had him born Hampshire not NZ.
You also asked for Census entries and then say you have seen them.
So what are you exactly looking for?
Did Robert Linnell and Elizabeth marry in Sth Africa? Was George born there? From the entry on passenger list it may be that Robert was in the Navy. The entry has occp Naw next to it. So others have Nav/Navy and similar.
Christenings;
ROBERT Linnell, 08 March 1840, Priors Marston, Warwick
Parents ABRAHAM Linnell and ALICE
Siblings;
WILLIAM 1823
SARAH 1826
BETSY 1830
DIANA 1833
ABRAHAM 1835
GEORGE 1837
ESTHER 1842
Marriage;
Abraham LINNELL
Alice KETTLE
24 December 1824, Priors Marston, Warwick, England
Trish :)
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Allice KETTLE, christened 12 April 1801, Priors Marston, Warwick
Parents WILLIAM and SARAH
Siblings;
MARY 10 July 1791
ANN 08 January 1797
ROBERT 23 December 1798
Alice is listed as with 2 l's
Everything I have posted are extracted records on the IGI at Familysearch.
Possible Marriage;
William KETTLE
Sarah WILSON
04 November 1790, Tysoe, Warwickshire
( remember marriages often took place in the brides parish)
FREEREG has these 2 BURIALS;
Sarah KETTLE, St Leonard , Priors Marston, 30 June 1848, age 79
( so born c 1769 which works with marrying 1790)
William KETTLE, St Leonard, Priors Marston, 31 October 1851, age 84
Ok, you should be able to find them in 1841 Census and William in 1851 Census which will give his POB ;)
I cant find Abraham Linnells christening but if you find him on 1841/1851 Census I think that maybe he was not born in Warwickshire.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish,
I was only going on what my grandmother said.
But after ordering Abraham's death cert it said he was born in NZ
I weird thing is, noone know what happened to the George Linnell, son of Robert and Elizabeth that came over with them from South Africa to NZ
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George Linnell aged 3 in 1864 may have died and his death not reg or is mistranscribed on NZ BMD. I cant find it.
They may have had another George that they named after him.
Trish
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thanks trish,
I wonder if an 1881 NZ death cert would show the children on it???
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Hi Karee,
The 1881 Death Cert should have children listed. Not usually names but ages and sexes and possibly living or not.
I have Census access again if you don't I can post the Linnells 1841/1851/1861 etc for you.
Robert Linnell definitely only appears on the 1841/1851 Census so may have left for Sth Africa by then.
What do you know about Elizabeth Hill?
From the 1851 Census Abraham Linnell was born Northamptonshire.
Just a though but George age 3 in 1864 may have had a first name. Eg he could be Abraham George Linnell.
The closest death which may be unrelated is;
John LINNELL, died 1894, age 35 ( born c 1859)
There is a Abraham Linnell marrying in 1896. As there are very few Linnell BMD's you may be able to isolate his BMD from all the Linnells you know about.
Or he may have gone to Australia ::)
Trish :)
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i dunno much about them really. Expect that Abraham was born Abraham Linnell and changed his name by deed poll to Thomas.
He was a nasty man from what my nana has told me (he was her grandfather) kicked his first wife out, and reading the divorce papers sounded nasty.....
his first wife is in an unmarked grave at Waikumete Cemetry Auckland, hes up in Whangarei.
I might have to order Robert, death cert and Elizabeth's too.
All i know about robert is that hes buried in an unmarked grave at the anglican church in Onehunga auckland, died about 45yrs old. His wife Elizabeth is at Waikaraka Cemetery.