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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Travlet on Friday 21 August 09 20:38 BST (UK)
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Hopefully I have attached the 1861 census for Andrew Dugan and his family, Michael being his father. 2nd line of the census. Can you figure out if it is Bottradon they are from? And where is Bottradon as it doesn't actually exist?
Thanks for looking
Travlet
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Sorry,
I can't figure that one out but you might try this search site http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
Play around with the search parameters and you might hit on something.
If you can figure out the placename on line 3 it may be near your elusive Bottradon.
Dara.
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The place name on line 3 is Dareybrode, which also does not exist. Lots of people are looking for Bottradon and I can't help feeling that there must be someone out there who must know what it means. Thanks for your help, will check out your link.
Travlet
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cant find any place name in English that even sounds like Bottradon - closest I can think of is some sort of misheard Bundoran...
another idea would be if the place name was in Irish - i.e. Bothra Dun
I cant see any place name that fits that at the moment ... but it may be an idea to check out
Dún the Irish for fort, I dont know what Bothra means (if its an Irish word), Bóthair ( pronounces bo her) is the Irish for road
Shane
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Hi
According to irishtimes.com placenames there is Botera (Lower and Upper) in Tyrone - sounds close to Bottra(don).
Best wishes
Aidem
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Verry difficult to know what this place is supposed to be- Portbraddon in County Antrim would sound similar.
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marriage. ANDREW DUGAN TO BRIDGET MANNING JUNE QUR 1874 WAKEFIELD. VOL9C PAGE 102.
regards mary.
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following on from the earlier Portbraddon idea .. how would Portadown spoken in a strong Co. Armagh accent should to an English census enumerator ?
Shane
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good one shane, i think you have hit it on the head.
regards mary.
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Think there might be too many syllables in Portadown.
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Some suggestions:
Battletown, Wexford
Batterstown, Meath
Bottomstown, Knockainy, Limerick
Bohernore/Bohermore, Knocklong, Limerick (not an official townland, but an area of the town)
and Derrybrock - there's one in Queen's County (Laois) and one in Mayo.
There's a birth of a Michael Duggan, with father Michael, in the RC parish of Knocklong in 1839, which fits with the 1861 census entry above.
Nothing conclusive there though.
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have you found any of the family in later census returns ?
The 1911 data is particularly good for placenames as the form available is the original sheet filled in by the head of household, rather than the version rewritten by the enumerator in earlier returns.
Shane
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Hi,
thanks for the leads. Will look into them. The marriage is the correct one. How do I get hold of the 1911 census? That sounds like it's worth a look,
Thanks,
Travlet
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The English 1911 census data is available at : 1911census.co.uk
you have to buy credits, you can view transcripts or the full image.
Shane
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Hi,
Have just had a quick look at the free search on 1911census.co.uk and it turned up no results. Would paying be likely to turn up more results?
Thanks,
Travlet
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As far as I remember the search is free but only gives the basic complete results.
there are various search options for allowing name and spelling variations that are probably worth looking into.
Shane
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Thanks Shane, will have another look
Travlet