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Title: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: jomalube on Wednesday 02 March 05 20:51 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find a 1901 Census entry for My Grandad: Arthur Couchman b.1900 (parents: Arthur Couchman and wife Jane-nee Brennan) of Ballymena Street, Belfast. 

I can't find a record of this street anywhere, although I have been assured by PRONI that the street did exist, in the registration area 'Urban No.3, which took in Upper Shankil and Crumlin Road.
I've tried all sorts of searches to find this address, can anyone help or suggest anything.

Jomalube
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: Anthony on Wednesday 02 March 05 23:21 GMT (UK)
Hi. Ballymena St was off the Oldpark Rd I have looked at my 1852/1896/1949/1962 Belfast Street Directories for the name Couchman con't find it in any of them

                                                       
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: jomalube on Thursday 03 March 05 17:04 GMT (UK)
Thanx for checking Anthony, this is really puzzling me.  My Grandfather was born in Ballymena St, although his father was in the army (possibly British or South African), and his mother was Irish (Co.Fermangh).  With this background, would they have been excluded from participating in the Irish Census do you think?  Any pointers/advice received with gratitude, as I'm not getting anywhere on this!
Jo
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: jomalube on Thursday 03 March 05 17:30 GMT (UK)
In 1912 'Couchman' family lived in 15 Coolderry Street.  Would you have any info for that address? Thanx again.
Jo.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: Anthony on Thursday 03 March 05 19:37 GMT (UK)
Hi. A, Couchman Presser 15 Coolderry St off the Donegall Rd 1949 & 1962 Directory he is not in the 1973 Directory at all.
Don't know why he is not in the A B C part of the Directory.

                                                           
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: Anthony on Thursday 03 March 05 20:06 GMT (UK)
Hi. What do you have that says he was born in Ballymena St and, what year was he born.
He could have been living in a Army Barracks when the Census was taken.
You could e-mail the PRO and ask them about the Census for anyone living in a Army Barracks at that time.

I have looked at all the streets that start with Bally? in the 1896 Directory can't find any name for Couchman, sorry, if i can help you in anyway please don't hesitate to ask.

                                                         
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: jomalube on Thursday 03 March 05 20:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Anthony, you've been so helpful. I'll email PRO re: army barracks, so fingers crossed.  My grandad's birth cert. shows date & place of birth as 21/7/1900, 22 Ballymena St.(his father, also A Couchman's place of residence at the time was S.Africa).
Thanks once again!
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: Anthony on Thursday 03 March 05 22:38 GMT (UK)
Hi. 1896 22 Ballymena St William Campbell they could have been living with the Campbell family in 1901.

Have you check the 1901 if not try this.

Belfast Family History Centre.
C/O Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints.
403 Holywood Rd Belfast BT 4

Telephone 02890/768250
They have the 1901 Census on Microfilm and the are very helpfull.

         
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 31 December 08 12:06 GMT (UK)
Going through old posts and noticed this one. 1911 census just put online (free) and looks like Arthur Couchman and family here:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Dorchester_Street/162826

Happy searching!
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Monday 10 October 22 22:03 BST (UK)
I've been unable to find anything on this road too, my Great Grandfather Joseph Green died in 1957 whilst living at 33.  He was 95. 
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 20:51 BST (UK)
I've been unable to find anything on this road too, my Great Grandfather Joseph Green died in 1957 whilst living at 33.  He was 95. 

1955 directory- 33. Joseph Green
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1955.htm
1960 directory- 33. Mrs. Esther Green
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1960.htm
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Thursday 13 October 22 21:35 BST (UK)
That's brilliant, thank you so much!!! Looks like he could of married yet again  :o :o He was a real womaniser and doesn't sound like the nicest of people
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 21:36 BST (UK)
Would you like more details?
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Thursday 13 October 22 21:39 BST (UK)
ooo yes please
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Thursday 13 October 22 21:48 BST (UK)
Would you like more details?

Yes please, where's the best place for marriages, nothing on Ancestry - I'm dying to find out who she is, this would be his 4th marriage
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 21:49 BST (UK)
Give me a few minutes to finish typing.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 22:30 BST (UK)
Joseph Green buried Dundonald Cemetery-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8611.4524
Thomas Baird & Letitia Baird in same plot.

Possibly the Bairds? Thomas Baird married Letitia Young-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10005/5638744.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Maryfield_St/154044/

Then there's the mystery of Esther-
Belfast City Cemetery- Glenalina Extension (A1 377)- Esther Green, 19 Wensley St., age 48, died 25 July 1957, buried 27 July 1957.
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7211.1584
Esther Clelland, age 76, in same plot.
Belfast Telegraph, 26 July 1957: … Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Mother, Esther Clelland, 111 Wensley Street. Thy will be done . GREEN (nee _) —July 23, 1957, at Hospital, Esther, dearly-_ed of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by Aunt Alice …
GREEN—July 23, 1937, at the Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green --Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Brother-in-law, Wife and Family. … and Minnie Green. … Rest after suffering

From GRONI database-
Esther Green, age 36, died 24 Feb.1957
Joseph Green, age 95, died 24 Mar.1957

1955 directory- 19 Wensley St.- Joseph Green
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1955.htm

Belfast Telegraph, 28 Jan.1959: ... (Thursday), to City Cemetery. —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Son-in-law, Joseph Green, and Grandsons, Jim and Billy, 19 Wensley Street. Gone to join her loved ones. CLELLAND—January ... 1959, at Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, beloved mother of James Gibney ...
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Thursday 13 October 22 22:35 BST (UK)
I'm confused, so Esther was 36? I'd heard she ran off with all his money.  Bill and Jim were they Joseph's relations? He had children by those names.  Thanks so much for your work
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Thursday 13 October 22 22:36 BST (UK)

From GRONI database-
Esther Green, age 36, died 24 Feb.1957
Joseph Green, age 95, died 24 Mar.1957

But Esther was on the street index as living at number 33 Ballymena so that can't be her

Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 22:38 BST (UK)
The cemetery record gives Esther as age 48.

This is a good match for Esther & her mother in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Donegall_Road/162725/

Directories are not compiled from official sources- sometimes a neighbour or tenant provided the details.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 22:49 BST (UK)
Cleland family in 1901-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954533/
Marriage of Caroline Cleland to Hugh McCormick-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09887/5591753.pdf
Caroline's birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02629/1969940.pdf
Caroline's death-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446349.pdf

Hugh McCormack, widower, married Esther Cleland-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09661/5503536.pdf
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 22:54 BST (UK)
Caroline, child of Hugh McCormack & Caroline Cleland-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01322/1546359.pdf
A daughter, Kathleen, born 1914- father Hugh living in Scotland at the time-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01414/1581251.pdf
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 23:02 BST (UK)
Burial of Caroline McCormick-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
Seems to be a Cleland plot & includes another Esther Cleland.

It's too late tonight to sort this all out so will have a look tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Friday 14 October 22 15:29 BST (UK)
Burial of Caroline McCormick-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
Seems to be a Cleland plot & includes another Esther Cleland.

It's too late tonight to sort this all out so will have a look tomorrow.

Thanks for that, so you think Esther is a McCormack?
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 19:55 BST (UK)
Hope this is all correct. The more I looked at everything the more confusing it got but after doing a family tree for the Cleland family (also Clelland or Cleeland in some records) things became clearer. So, I'll start with the Clelands.

Thomas George Cleland (c1850-1900 Belfast) m.(1868) Esther Henniday (c1851-1918)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05774/4632331.pdf
Cleland family in 1901- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954533/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Donegall_Road/162725/ (m.42 yrs, 11 ch./6 living)
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6379.15441 (Thomas)
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6167.48972 (Esther)
1. John Cleland (1869-alive 1911) m. Margaret McCarroll
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03377/2238043.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Lindsay_Street/169364/ (m.17 yrs, 8 ch./5 liv.)
2. Mary Cleland (1871)
3. Sarah Cleland (1873-1889)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06065/4729278.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6539.3848
4. George Cleland (1874-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03141/2151948.pdf
5. Ross Cleland (1875-1891)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03073/2126549.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06065/4729278.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6565.2511
6. William James Cleland (1877-aft.1901) m. Sarah
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03015/2104864.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954442/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954442/
7. Margaret/Maggie Jane Cleland (1880-1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02866/2050106.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6293.37293
8. David Cleland (1882-1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02786/2022888.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05755/4625581.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6387.16272
9. Esther Cleland (1884) m.(1919) Hugh McCormick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02706/1996444.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09661/5503536.pdf
10. Caroline Cleland (1885-1917) m.(1913) Hugh McCormick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02629/1969940.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09887/5591753.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446349.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
11. Frederick/Freddie Cleland (1888-1889)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06127/4749975.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6543.472
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 20:12 BST (UK)
Esther Cleland born 1884 is the one that married her sister Caroline's widower Hugh McCormick.

Forget about the Clelands. Next I did a Gibney tree.

Patrick Gibney m.(1899) Esther Briars (c1879-27 Jan.1959)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10395/5785183.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Green_Street/933632/
Belfast Telegraph, 28 Jan.1959: ... (Thursday), to City Cemetery. —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Son-in-law, Joseph Green, and Grandsons, Jim and Billy, 19 Wensley Street. Gone to join her loved ones. CLELLAND—January ... 1959, at Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, beloved mother of James Gibney ...
1. Mary Elizabeth Gibney (1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01999/1768778.pdf
b. Archibald Gibney (1902)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01914/1741985.pdf
c. Patrick Gibney (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718611.pdf
d. James Gibney (1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01765/1694896.pdf (parents Patrick Gibney & Esther Briars)
e. Esther Gibney (c1909-24 Feb.1957) m. Joseph Green- ch.: Jim, Billy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647802.pdf (Esther Gibney (mother Esther Gibney formerly Briars))
Joseph Green m.(17 July 1935 Newtownabbey dist.) Esther Brien
1955 directory- 19 Wensley St.- Joseph Green https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1955.htm
Belfast Telegraph, 26 July 1957: … Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Mother, Esther Cleland, 111 Wensley Street. Thy will be done . GREEN (nee _) —July 23, 1957, at Hospital, Esther, dearly-_ed of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by Aunt Alice …
GREEN—July 23, 1937, at the Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green --Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Brother-in-law, Wife and Family. … and Minnie Green. … Rest after suffering
Belfast City Cemetery- Glenalina Extension (A1 377)- Esther Green, 19 Wensley St., age 48, died 25 July 1957, buried 27 July 1957. Esther Clelland, age 76, in same plot

Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 20:29 BST (UK)
Esther Gibney, according to her birth registration, seems to have been illegitimate.

Patrick Gibney and son Archibald here in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Edward_Street/133561/
Strangely enough, Patrick listed as married 9 years and 1 living child. Since he and Esther were married 1899 does this mean the couple were apart from c1908?

Esther Gibbney & daughter Esther Briars in a separate residence-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marine_Street/132740/
Her entry says married 11 years and 1 living child.

I think this is the daughter Esther's marriage-
Joseph Green to Esther Brien on 17th July 1935 Newtownabbey rehgistration district.
This is the Esther, wife of Joseph Green, who died Feb.1957.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 20:47 BST (UK)
Now back to your Joseph Green. Do you have his death certificate? it should list marital status (married or widower?) as well as informant (if his widow Esther then the 1960 directory is probably correct).
Ordinarily I would say your Joseph married Esther Briars/Gibney (who was many years younger) and that she died a month before him. However, there is the entry in the 1960 directory which gives a Mrs. Esther Green at the Ballymena St. address.

Do you have any idea who Thomas & Letitia Baird in the same plot as Joseph Green were?
At some point it might be worth looking at that 1935 marriage for Joseph Green & Esther Briars (?) to see their residences as well as his occupation & name & occupation of his father.
The name Minnie Green is mentioned in Esther's death notice- does the name ring any bells?
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Saturday 15 October 22 21:40 BST (UK)
Esther Gibney, according to her birth registration, seems to have been illegitimate.

Patrick Gibney and son Archibald here in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Edward_Street/133561/
Strangely enough, Patrick listed as married 9 years and 1 living child. Since he and Esther were married 1899 does this mean the couple were apart from c1908?

Esther Gibbney & daughter Esther Briars in a separate residence-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marine_Street/132740/
Her entry says married 11 years and 1 living child.

I think this is the daughter Esther's marriage-
Joseph Green to Esther Brien on 17th July 1935 Newtownabbey rehgistration district.
This is the Esther, wife of Joseph Green, who died Feb.1957.

Fantastic, I'll have a good look through it all.  Joseph had 12 children, apparently another 20 out of wedlock.  This is his 4th marriage, 1st wife died in Ireland (Joseph is from Surrey) he was still married to the 2nd and 3rd wife.  At one point is kidnapped two of his children from school in Surrey and took them to Ireland.  The daughter managed to get back to Surrey when she was in her teens.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Saturday 15 October 22 21:42 BST (UK)
Now back to your Joseph Green. Do you have his death certificate? it should list marital status (married or widower?) as well as informant (if his widow Esther then the 1960 directory is probably correct).
Ordinarily I would say your Joseph married Esther Briars/Gibney (who was many years younger) and that she died a month before him. However, there is the entry in the 1960 directory which gives a Mrs. Esther Green at the Ballymena St. address.

Do you have any idea who Thomas & Letitia Baird in the same plot as Joseph Green were?
At some point it might be worth looking at that 1935 marriage for Joseph Green & Esther Briars (?) to see their residences as well as his occupation & name & occupation of his father.
The name Minnie Green is mentioned in Esther's death notice- does the name ring any bells?

Yes the Baird's, someone in their family knew there was a space and let him have it - no-one was keen on him.  I best order the death certificate
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Saturday 15 October 22 21:44 BST (UK)
Now back to your Joseph Green. Do you have his death certificate? it should list marital status (married or widower?) as well as informant (if his widow Esther then the 1960 directory is probably correct).
Ordinarily I would say your Joseph married Esther Briars/Gibney (who was many years younger) and that she died a month before him. However, there is the entry in the 1960 directory which gives a Mrs. Esther Green at the Ballymena St. address.

Do you have any idea who Thomas & Letitia Baird in the same plot as Joseph Green were?
At some point it might be worth looking at that 1935 marriage for Joseph Green & Esther Briars (?) to see their residences as well as his occupation & name & occupation of his father.
The name Minnie Green is mentioned in Esther's death notice- does the name ring any bells?

I don't recognise Minnie, but could be a wife of one the sons or granddaughter, but with so many children I don't know about - could be anyone
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 21:46 BST (UK)
Minnie Green is mentioned in the death notice of the Esther Green who died 1957 and may not be connected to your Joseph Green.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 21:59 BST (UK)
Back to this-
Belfast Telegraph, 28 Jan.1959: ... (Thursday), to City Cemetery. —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Son-in-law, Joseph Green, and Grandsons, Jim and Billy, 19 Wensley Street. Gone to join her loved ones. CLELLAND—January ... 1959, at Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, beloved mother of James Gibney ...

Esther Briars married (1899) Patrick Gibney & had son James (1905) and her son-in-law Joseph Green which fits with daughter Esther Briars marriage to a Joseph Green. Patrick Gibney & wife Esther seem to be separated by 1911 (Esther's illegitimate daughter born 1909). However, above death notice is under Esther Clelland!
Still a bit to sort out yet...
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 22:11 BST (UK)
Plot thickens- here's a start-
Northern Whig, 9 Oct.1912: A TANGLED SKEIN. Curious Bigamy Case. William H. Clelland was charged, _, with having bigamously married Esther Gibney, or Briars, wife ... being still alive. Thomas Kirk gave evidence of having been present at prisoner's marriage ...
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 22:16 BST (UK)
Back a bit-
Northern Whig, 28 Oct.1902: ... Harper appeared for Edward O’Neill, the driver of the van, and the police were represented by Head-Constable Sargent. Esther Gibney, mother, said that on Thursday last she was crossing Great Patrick Street. She had baby in her arms, and had hold of deceased ...

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05681/4600925.pdf
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Saturday 15 October 22 22:16 BST (UK)
Back to this-
Belfast Telegraph, 28 Jan.1959: ... (Thursday), to City Cemetery. —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Son-in-law, Joseph Green, and Grandsons, Jim and Billy, 19 Wensley Street. Gone to join her loved ones. CLELLAND—January ... 1959, at Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, beloved mother of James Gibney ...

Esther Briars married (1899) Patrick Gibney & had son James (1905) and her son-in-law Joseph Green which fits with daughter Esther Briars marriage to a Joseph Green. Patrick Gibney & wife Esther seem to be separated by 1911 (Esther's illegitimate daughter born 1909). However, above death notice is under Esther Clelland!
Still a bit to sort out yet...

Joseph had sons James b1886 d1969 and William b1887 (haven't been able to find out much about him)
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 22:42 BST (UK)
Belfast Newsletter, 31 Oct.1912: Esther Gibney and Wm. Hamilton Cleland pleaded guilty to indictments separately charging them with bigamy. Mr. John Graham, who represented the prisoners, said the woman was 29 years age, and had a blameless career to this. She was married …

Larne Times, 9 Nov.1912:  interrogated by the judge as to his family affairs. said his child living with his wife. She would not give it up. Regard to Esther Gibney, the woman with whom was now living, her children were with her husband. His Honour remarked that the prisoner was described as a '‘hard-working chap." Mr. Moorhead, Sessional Crown Solicitor, said his wife …

Marriage of William Hamilton Clelland & Esther Briars in Feb.1912 (court case in October)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09902/5598365.pdf
He says bachelor & she gives father as John Briars.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 15 October 22 22:44 BST (UK)
William's earlier marriage (1906) to Ellen McSourley-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10132/5686341.pdf

Added- son Charles born 1906-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627623.pdf
died 1911-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05383/4502275.pdf

Son William born 1907-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01689/1671134.pdf

Daughter Sarah Jane born 1909-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647798.pdf
died 1909-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05454/4526242.pdf
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 16 October 22 10:07 BST (UK)
A bit more about William Hamilton Cleland & Esther (Briars) Gibney.

Northern Whig, 26 May 1923: William Cleland, a carter, ... _ing in Wensley Street, was admitted Royal Victoria Hospital yesterday ... from fractured leg.

1924 directory- 11 Wensley St.: Wm. Clelland labourer (1932, 1939, 1943 same)
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1924.htm

Marriage: William Cleland   Briers   14th January 1928   Belfast (perhaps William's wife Ellen had died)

William Hamilton Cleland of 11 Wensley St. died 0 May 1946, age 58:
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8355.3492
A Robert Cleland in same plot.

1951 directory- 11 Wensley St.: Mrs. Esther Clelland
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1951.htm
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 16 October 22 11:27 BST (UK)
Back to your Joseph Green.
The Esther (Briars) Gibney Cleland seems to be ruled out from being the Mrs. Esther Cleland found in 1960 directory. Esther (Cleland) McCormick is also not correct one.
So, it may now be a matter of viewing on GRONI's site the 1957 death certificate for Joseph Green to see marital status & informant.
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: calash on Sunday 16 October 22 11:32 BST (UK)
Back to your Joseph Green.
The Esther (Briars) Gibney Cleland seems to be ruled out from being the Mrs. Esther Cleland found in 1960 directory. Esther (Cleland) McCormick is also not correct one.
So, it may now be a matter of viewing on GRONI's site the 1957 death certificate for Joseph Green to see marital status & informant.

Great, I've just ordered the death certificate
Title: Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 16 October 22 11:34 BST (UK)
You can view the death certificate online after purchasing a few credits.