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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: wcgs2002 on Thursday 20 August 09 18:48 BST (UK)
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looking for info on john jackson who married catherine gibsonnot sure of when this was but i think it is approx 1864.
also looking for any family ties they have
thanks in advance
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Hi
Have you checked SP for their marriage as their marriage cert will give you their respective ages and both sets of parents names and mothers maiden name
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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No sign on SP, between 1855 and 1870.
Are you sure about the spelling of the names?
Hibee
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Is this the right family on the 1871 census? If so - they probably married before 1864
35 Nicholas St Lanarkshire - all b Glasgow except Catherine
John Jackson 37 hat presser man
Catherine Jackson 34 b Paisley Renfrew
William Jackson 9
Jane Jackson 1
Donald Ramsay 49 boarder
Glasgow St Paul ED 41 Page 20 Line 13
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john jackson was a colliery worker catherine gibson not sure what work she did. and they come from blantyre
after they married these children were born
caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson
also any other relations to them would help
thanks in advance
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Where did you get that info from?
If it was a census entry - which year?
and they come from blantyre
Does this mean that they were all born in Blantyre or that they were living in Blantyre?
after they married these children were born
Please show the appropriate birthyears for each of the 3 children above and also for John & Catherine
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the children were all born in blantyre from a relative i know catherine one of the children was born 1927
will ask for the other dates and let you know
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Hi
Would you like to check your dates?
looking for info on john jackson who married catherine gibsonnot sure of when this was but i think it is approx 1864.
after they married these children were born
caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson
the children were all born in blantyre from a relative i know catherine one of the children was born 1927
Married in 1864 with a child born 63 years later - I think not
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catherine gibson married john jackson there daughter catherine jackson was born in 1927
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Hi
You appear to have missed the points I made above. If their daughter was born in 1927 - where does an 1864 marriage feature???
If you want information on John Jackson - you will need to lookup the marriage on Scotlands People to get his parents names and his age from the marriage cert
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - it is a paysite
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For just 1 SP credit, and to put you all out of your misery:
Catherine Gibson and John Jackson were married in Blantyre in 1912
The full marriage cert can be viewed and downloaded from that site. This will give his age and his parents' names.
Gadget
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thanks for the info carolew and gadget i have now got a copy of the certificate and it is very helpful as it also gives the mothers maiden name to find more info from.
can i ask how easy it will be to find the children from this marriage between catherine gibson and john jackson
as there could be 8 in total.
i have spoke toone of the daughters sons but he says he does not know anything or is it the period he was born in as he is about 60 years old
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Hi
It will be a bit more difficult because the birth registrations on SP don't give mother's maiden name and Jackson is not all that uncommon a surname but you do have their names:
caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson
If you had some approx ages for them, post 1912, it might be possible to narrow it down. Where they born Blantyre, doyou know?
Gadget
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Hi
I've down a quick birth search 1912-1925 in Blantyre for Cat* , Jean and Robert Jackson but I'm not finding anything.
Maybe they were born elsewhere. Only a Robertina (1920 Springburn) in Lanarkshire as a whole in the time period.
Gadget
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i tried the same years on a births search without any findings so i am thinking it may have to be a trip to blantyre
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I risked just putting in Jackson and Blantyre, 1912-1925 and these look definites:
1914 - William Gibson Jackson
1921 - Robert Gibson Jackson (not sure why he didn't come up on the previous searches!)
1923 - Marion Gibson Jackson
In all there were 9 Jackson births registered 1912-1925 in Blantyre.
Gadget
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thanks gadget have found the marriage details on scotlandpeople and have gone back to her great grandparents but having difficulty inreading her maiden name.
the marriage is between robert cameron and elizabeth smith whichshows the parents as hamilton smith and marion smith maiden name ? cannot read i, is there anywhere else i could look for this info
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Can you put a snip of the cert up here - if not, I'll PM you my e-mail and you can send it to me :)
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gadget i will send you a copy via email thanks for your help
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Hi
I've put a snip of it up on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,421300.0.html
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Returning to this thread now we have a definite for Marion Forrest ~
Although there is a tree (http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kevinreed/pafn209.htm) , I'm always sceptical and would never take anything on them as fact without checking for myself.
This looks like her baptism record on the IGI:
20 April 1817, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
Marion Inglis Forrest d/o Alexander Forrest and Elisabeth Morton.
Her death is recorded in Scotlands People
24 March 1897, Aged 81 at the Combination Poor House, Stirling. Usual residence - Kilsyth.
The death cert notes that Alexander was a tailor.
Gadget
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Hamilton Smith, coal miner, married to Marion Forrest died at 62 High Street, Kilsyth on 11 January 1891, aged 74.
His parents were William Smith, labourer and Catherine m.s. McLaren, both deceased.
Gadget
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I'm not sure about the McLaren surname on Hamilton Smith's death cert because of this entry in the 1841 and misleading info of a couple marrying in 1825 in Midlothian:
1841
Croftfoot, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
William Smith, 55, labourer, b. Ireland
Catherine Wood, 50, b. Ireland
John Smith, 20, coal miner
Hamilton Smith, 20, coal miner
William -do-, 15, coal miner
David -do-, 14, coal miner
Mary -do-, 11
Ann -do-, 9
Alexander -do-, 6
All children b. Lanarkshire
Note that in the 1841, ages for those of 15 and over were usually rounded down to the neares 5 year age band - 15= 15-19; 20 = 20-24; 50 = 50-54; 55=55-59, etc.
Gadget
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This looks like Catherine in 1851:
7 Carfin, Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Smith
Catherine, 61, b. Ireland
William, son, 24, coal miner, b. Old Monkland
Agness, daghter in law, 19, b. ? Lanarkshire
David,s, 22, coal miner, b. Shotts
Ann, d, 18, tambourer, b. Shotts
Alexander, s, 17, coal mier, b. Shotts
Olive? Logan, sister, 24, b. Ireland
Gadget
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Right. Smith is not the easiest to track down :D
Managed to follow up Alexander Smith, younger brother of Hamilton. He married a Christina Mair in Cambusnethan in 1858.
Parents given as William Smith, labourer, deceased and Catherine, m.s. Woods.
So it looks as if the surname on Hamilton's death cert was wrong. This happens occasionally because the informant is unsure/makes mistakes.
As Catherine appears to be still alive in 1858, I'll do a qucik check but I've then got to go off for a while.
Note that the tree link that Monica found has the wrong information for Hamilton Smith's parents. It's always best to do an independent check.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I have a family connection with Mary Smith, who married John Mcculloch in 1850.
As you have obviously looked at the family I would be grateful if you have any info on the death of Catherine Smith (nee Wood or Woods). I have searched the Scottish records with no success. No death for William either, probably between 1841-51.
I agree Hamilton's dc gives wrong mother surname. As I only have info on Hamilton, Mary and Alexander, grateful for any scraps.
Have you a family link with them ?
Thanks,
John