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Title: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Thursday 20 August 09 18:48 BST (UK)
looking for info on john jackson who married catherine gibsonnot sure of when this was but i think it is approx 1864.

also looking for any family ties they have

thanks in advance
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 20 August 09 19:14 BST (UK)
Hi

Have you checked SP for their marriage as their marriage cert will give you their respective ages and both sets of  parents names and mothers maiden name

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Hibee on Thursday 20 August 09 19:18 BST (UK)
No sign on SP, between 1855 and 1870.

Are you sure about the spelling of the names?

Hibee
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 20 August 09 19:19 BST (UK)
Is this the right family on the 1871 census?  If so - they probably married before 1864

35 Nicholas St Lanarkshire - all b Glasgow except Catherine

John Jackson 37  hat presser man
Catherine Jackson 34  b Paisley Renfrew
William Jackson 9  
Jane Jackson 1  
Donald Ramsay 49  boarder
Glasgow St Paul ED 41 Page  20 Line 13  
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Monday 09 November 09 14:04 GMT (UK)
john jackson was a colliery worker catherine gibson not sure what work she did. and they come from blantyre

after they married these children were born

caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson

also any other relations to them would help

thanks in advance
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 09 November 09 14:26 GMT (UK)
Where did you get that info from?

If it was a census entry - which year?

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and they come from blantyre

Does this mean that they were all born in Blantyre or that they were living in Blantyre?   

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after they married these children were born

Please show the appropriate birthyears for each of the 3 children above and also for John & Catherine


 
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Monday 09 November 09 16:57 GMT (UK)
the children were all born in blantyre from a relative i know catherine one of the children was born 1927
will ask for the other dates and let you know
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 09 November 09 18:07 GMT (UK)
Hi

Would you like to check your dates?

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looking for info on john jackson who married catherine gibsonnot sure of when this was but i think it is approx 1864.

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after they married these children were born

caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson



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the children were all born in blantyre from a relative i know catherine one of the children was born 1927


Married in 1864 with a child born 63 years later - I think not
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Monday 09 November 09 20:52 GMT (UK)
catherine gibson married john jackson   there daughter catherine jackson was born in 1927
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 09 November 09 22:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

You appear to have missed the points I made above.    If their daughter was born in 1927 - where does an 1864 marriage feature???

If you want information on John Jackson - you will need to lookup the marriage on Scotlands People to get his parents names and his age from the marriage cert

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  - it is a paysite

 

 
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 10 November 09 08:39 GMT (UK)
For just 1 SP credit, and to put you all out of your misery:

Catherine Gibson and John Jackson were married in Blantyre in 1912

The full marriage cert can be viewed and downloaded from that site.  This will give his age and his parents' names.



Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Tuesday 17 November 09 21:14 GMT (UK)
thanks for the info carolew and gadget i have now got a copy of the certificate and it is very helpful as it also gives the mothers maiden name to find more info from.

can i ask how easy it will be to find the children from this marriage between catherine gibson and john jackson
as there could be 8 in total.

i have spoke toone of the daughters sons but he says he does not know anything or is it the period he was born in as he is about 60 years old
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 17 November 09 22:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

It will be a bit more difficult because the birth registrations on SP don't give mother's maiden name and Jackson is not all that uncommon  a surname but you do  have their names:


caterine jackson, jean jackson, robert jackson


If you had some approx ages for them, post 1912, it might be possible to narrow it down.  Where they born Blantyre, doyou know?


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 17 November 09 22:35 GMT (UK)
Hi

I've down a quick birth search 1912-1925 in Blantyre for Cat* , Jean and Robert Jackson but I'm not finding anything. 

Maybe they were born elsewhere.  Only a Robertina (1920 Springburn)  in Lanarkshire as a whole in the time period.


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Wednesday 18 November 09 13:33 GMT (UK)
i tried the same years on a births search without any findings  so i am thinking it may have to be a trip to blantyre
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 November 09 13:43 GMT (UK)
I risked just putting in Jackson and Blantyre, 1912-1925 and these look definites:

1914 - William Gibson Jackson
1921 - Robert Gibson Jackson (not sure why he didn't come up on the previous searches!)
1923 - Marion Gibson Jackson

In all there were 9 Jackson births registered 1912-1925 in Blantyre.


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Monday 23 November 09 21:42 GMT (UK)
thanks gadget have found the marriage details on scotlandpeople and have gone back to her great grandparents but having difficulty inreading her maiden name.

the marriage is between robert cameron and elizabeth smith whichshows the parents as hamilton smith and marion smith maiden name ? cannot read i, is there anywhere else i could look for this info
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Monday 23 November 09 21:45 GMT (UK)
Can you put a snip of the cert up here - if not, I'll PM you my e-mail and you can send it to me  :)
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: wcgs2002 on Tuesday 24 November 09 07:50 GMT (UK)
gadget i will send you a copy via email thanks for your help
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 24 November 09 08:38 GMT (UK)
Hi

I've put a snip of it up on this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,421300.0.html


Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Friday 27 November 09 09:20 GMT (UK)
Returning to this thread now we have a definite for Marion Forrest ~

Although there is a tree (http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kevinreed/pafn209.htm) , I'm always sceptical and would never take anything on them as fact without checking for myself.



This looks like her baptism record on the IGI:

20 April 1817, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire

Marion Inglis Forrest d/o Alexander Forrest and Elisabeth Morton.

Her death is recorded in Scotlands People

24 March 1897, Aged 81 at the Combination Poor House, Stirling. Usual residence  - Kilsyth.

The death cert notes that Alexander was a tailor.


Gadget

Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Friday 27 November 09 09:30 GMT (UK)
Hamilton Smith, coal miner, married to Marion Forrest  died at 62 High Street,  Kilsyth on 11 January 1891, aged 74.

His parents were William Smith, labourer and Catherine m.s. McLaren, both deceased.


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Friday 27 November 09 09:47 GMT (UK)
I'm not sure about the McLaren surname on Hamilton Smith's  death cert because of this entry in the 1841 and misleading info of a couple marrying in 1825 in Midlothian:

1841
Croftfoot, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire

William Smith, 55, labourer, b. Ireland
Catherine Wood, 50, b. Ireland
John Smith, 20, coal miner
Hamilton Smith, 20, coal miner
William -do-, 15, coal miner
David -do-, 14, coal miner
Mary -do-, 11
Ann -do-, 9
Alexander -do-, 6

All children b. Lanarkshire

Note that in the 1841, ages for those of 15 and over were usually rounded down to the neares 5 year age band - 15= 15-19;  20 = 20-24; 50 = 50-54; 55=55-59,  etc.



Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Friday 27 November 09 09:56 GMT (UK)
This looks like Catherine in 1851:

7 Carfin, Bothwell, Lanarkshire

Smith
Catherine, 61, b. Ireland
William, son, 24, coal miner, b. Old Monkland
Agness, daghter in law, 19, b. ? Lanarkshire
David,s,  22, coal miner, b. Shotts
Ann, d, 18, tambourer, b. Shotts
Alexander, s, 17, coal mier, b. Shotts
Olive? Logan, sister, 24, b. Ireland


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: Gadget on Friday 27 November 09 10:17 GMT (UK)
Right. Smith is not the easiest to track down  :D

Managed to follow up Alexander Smith, younger brother of Hamilton.  He married a Christina Mair in Cambusnethan in 1858.

Parents given as William Smith, labourer, deceased and Catherine, m.s. Woods.

So it looks as if the surname on Hamilton's death cert was wrong. This happens occasionally because the informant is unsure/makes mistakes.

As Catherine appears to be still alive in 1858, I'll do a qucik check but I've then got to go off for a while.

Note that the tree link that Monica found has the wrong information for Hamilton Smith's parents. It's always best to do an independent check.


Gadget
Title: Re: marriage john jackson catherine gibson
Post by: aberheart on Tuesday 27 December 11 16:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Gadget,
I have a family connection with Mary Smith, who married John Mcculloch in 1850.
As you have obviously looked at the family I would be grateful if you have any info on the death of Catherine Smith (nee Wood or Woods). I have searched the Scottish records with no success. No death for William either, probably between 1841-51.
I agree Hamilton's dc gives wrong mother surname. As I only have info on Hamilton, Mary and Alexander, grateful for any scraps.
Have you a family link with them ?
Thanks,
John