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There is no evidence that the Daveys were gypsies.
That's what You think! 'The Book of Bob' begs to differ. Most strongly 8)
Incidentally; The vast majority of names in ye line up there are recorded as having been found attached to Gypsys.
Perhaps, if ye expand some more, we can help some more? ;)
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Just so's ye don't think I've run away ;) Just been getting a few things around here done. I'll be finished presently and shall sit down and examine what ye've said.
One thing, off the top of my head though? The Suffolk Davey's were definitely listed as Gypsys. Much else of what I've just read above makes perfect sense in this context too.
Just sort my self out here and I'll be back and able to concentrate :)
Meanwhile; There are people on here with much faster connections, and who are much better than I at searching records. It would certainly add to the fun if any of them were to join in with a digging session. Some excellent people on here. Who knows what they might be able to add?
I just refer to The Book for people 8)
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:) Ok, mate. I've just re read what ye've said above and have picked it apart some. Here's what's caught my eye ~ without allowing myself to get too bogged down in the names, for now:
" Herbert Davey was from woolpit in suffolk. "
And, as said above, Davey is a Gypsy name, found in Suffolk.
" how did mary ann whiteman meet herbert if she was from pevensey bay which is in hastings."
Possibly his familys 'Circuit' took them down that far. Probably more likely, they'd have 'met halfway' as they each converged on the seasonal fields, perhaps in Kent, eg.
" Herberts Father (William reginald Davey) Was on the 1841 census as an ag lab."
Most Gypsys, in those days, worked as Agricultural Labourers. Picking, etc. in season. Clearing ditches and so forth at other times.
" Then He goes missing off the census all the way up to 1891 census, so i wonder where he went for that time. "
Buggers, aren't they? Into some wood, probably. Somewhere the Enumerator wouldn't think or care to look? Or possibly over to Eire? My people used to cross the water.
" my granny used to get told she was gypsy when she was younger. "
Who by? Family or strangers?
" But that family didnt move about at all as u can see by the birth places. "
Such spacial records can actually be misleading. Many Gypsys had a home base. Even a 'house' of some sort. Contrary to popular belief, not all of them lived in a constant cycle of aimlessly wandering the roads and byways.
" her family are described as ''living on the beach''."
Delicious, isn't it? I've seen that mentioned before, for other people. Fires the imagination, just How they were living there. I'm afraid I have no reference.
" show up as licened hawkers and showmen and living in a showvan. "
Hardly run of the mill nine to fiver's then!
" my granny said she was at a travellers site or somewhere in woolpit when she was young ".
Now; What did I just say, above ....? ;)
Steve.
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hi, there are davey's and davy's on the woolpit PRs online, not many and not after 1804ish. ie;- david davey - samuel & mary baker. - born 30 sep, chr, 28 oct, 1804/// samuel davey married mary baker 13th oct 1802
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Not a clue,but if you find it let me know. I the meantime ;-- http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Den/Woolpit/Index.html#top
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Steve does your book have any references to any members of the Davey Family who lived in North Cave. According to the 1891 local census they were Earthenware dealers and Hawkers.......
I cannot find out where this branch of the Davey/Davy family originated from.......
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North Cave, East Yorkshire, I take it ???
This book doesn't go into lavish background detail, I'm afraid. But it Does state that the name was found attached to Gypsys, from 1571, and still is today. And, yeppers; It states that Gypsys bearing that name have / are been recorded in " Yorkshire ".
:)
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Hi Steve G.........thanks very much for your help........and i do apologise for not being more specific on my posting...:(
You were right, i should have put East Yorkshire.
Andrew_Bandrew hi, i have actually noticed one or two Davey/Davy families in East Yorkshire have had origins in Suffolk county. I'll do more checking and get back to you........one family i believe, settled in Skirlaugh - Holderness, East Yorkshire. Not one of mine though.
By the way.......what does 'wb' mean??
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Northern Girl; What on earth are ye apologising for? I was only checking I had the right place because I had it in my head North Cave was in Cheshire. A glance at Google said East Yorks. I just wanted to check I had the right place :)
I just really want to know where the lamb surname has come into the family.
Well, how about we start with the basics? How do ye know the name does have anything to do with ye family? 'Because my Gran said so.'
Ok. Cool. What I'd do ~ what I do anyway ~ is I'd find ye Grandma's siblings. Check out who each of them married. No Lambs? Go back a generation.
Point is; I wouldn't put all my eggs in the one basket that ye Grand Mother necessarily married a Lamb. Things can get surprisingly confused, over time. Cast around a bit.
Is ye Gran still about? If so, get back to her. Ask more. A great trick, with older folk, is to remind them of their earlier answer, only get it wrong. Eg. She once said, " Auntie Alice married Johnny Lamb. " So, you say to her; " Ye said before that Auntie Edith married Johnny Lamb ..... " See what what she says.
Surprisingly, she may say something completely off the wall. But that'd give ye another clue. Same trick can work when she first off can't remember who in hell married that Johnny guy. Make out she'd said X. See if she corrects ye and says it was Y.
If she's Not around? Try the same stuff with ye parents and any other living rellies. But, above all; Get amongst them and get talking to them. It's a bugger when they're gone and ye sit there wishing ye had!
Some sort of tape recorder also beats the hell out of all the notes ye can ever take, at the time, too. Just keep ye eye on those spools! :o Been there. Didn't do that. Regretting it, even thirty odd years later! :'(
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:) Ok, I've caught up with the idea now, mate. Listen; This is just the sort of case which'll likely take a good airing on Gypsy Jib (http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/). A site which compliments this one very well. Only, on there, people tend to talk as much about 'family panoramas' as paper trails.
It was the mention of Gentilia Smith. Someone there's almost bound to know of Gentilia and there for likely know plenty about their background. They may or may not have the paper work plotted. But, that's where to seek leads on ye suspected Lamb connection.
Difficult to explain how our two approaches to all this differ. But they do ~ the two sites. So, give yeself the best possible chance and ask on both ;)
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On the very front page of that site it says; If ye can't figure anything about the site out? Ask. They're actively encouraging people to ask them how to operate on there, so they'll know what people are finding tricky. Then they can sort such things out for everyone ;)
So, how about ye ask them how and where to ask about the connection ye seek? They'll explain. You can do. Sorted 8)
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I had no luck on that website you sent me ~ is there any other way i can look for the family ?
More ways than ye'd ever have wished for 8)
Go Here (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,404439.0.html) and slide down the the eleventh post. It's one by Berlin-Bob.
He shows us two live links. Click the second one. Get to work. I'll expect to see ye next year some time .....
Bottom line is; If ye can't find anything through That link ~ and a tanker full of midnight oil? It probably isn't on the net, yet. And, the entire, scientifically scrutinised power of Google aside? I'm afraid I'm fresh out of ideas.
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I am looking for bloomfields, any information would be more than welcome, john.
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Interesting, I just had a scan through and Amos was a showman and in 1901 had three nephews with him, all bloomfields. Not sure if we have a connection yet, my line is to a John Blomfield, baptised 1794 in woolpit, he had a brother, Robert, baptised 25 dec, 1810. The age is right for the Robert, father of William and Amos Bloomfield, but it needs further research and facts. If you have anything you think may be relevant, I would be gratefull to see it. regards, John.
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hi, on the 1861 census;- robert bloomfield, 51 carpenter. b. woolpit. wife; martha, 45. children; john 22 william 20 simeon 16 james 12 & amos 7. This makes roberts birth 1810. From the transcribed woolpit parish records; robert blomfield, b,25 march. bapt, 25 dec, 1810. parents; john blomfield & mary otterwell. It looks possible, will have to work on it. Also I found;- 1891 census, elmswell, suffolk.; william bloomfield 50, carpenter.b, woolpit. wife,- jane 48.b, woolpit. neice,-mary jane davey 26, domestic servant.b, woolpit. robert bloomfield,82, father, annuitant.
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Definitely needs looking into. Will see what I can find out, not tonight though, I am packing up. cheers, John.
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hi, I think I / we need to look at the original parish records to see if they have any additional information on them, the transcripts are just the bare bones . Maybe will strike lucky, problem is, I am unable to get to Suffolk at the moment. Planning to in the future. regards, John.