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Title: " Completed" would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Tuesday 18 August 09 19:49 BST (UK)

Hi,
I have found a death record for one of my  ancestors on the British Columbia Archives website (I think )....James Bertram Worsley b: 1884 in Hulme Manchester.  The death record shows he died in Vancouver 16th  Nov 1950. (reg No 1950-09-010615) Would the death cert show his place of birth ?.
His brothers and sisters were
William   b 1879
Frank     b  1887
Nellie     b  1891  and
Joseph   b  1900

Any help much appreciated
Debbie x



 

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 18 August 09 23:47 BST (UK)

The Canadian certificates I've ordered were prior to 1915.  I'm not sure what the more recent certificates include.

James Bertram is buried in Mountain View Cemetery.  You could try writing to the cemetery office and ask for his information.  I've done this in the past and most times was successful.  One person not only gave me the information requested, she also included information about those who were in the same plot.  I stated who I was to the deceased and I wrote a letter, rather than email.  (I received very few responses via email.)

When trying to find the exact town of birth for my brickwall ancestor, the cemetery record was the only record that stated his exact place of birth.  (He died in 1912.)
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/NONMARKEtOPERATIONS/MOUNTAINVIEW/burials/wl.htm

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Wednesday 19 August 09 08:12 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie,

I don't know what is on the death certificate but the Registration of Death in BC contains a lot of information including the birthplace.  Of course, the information is provided by the informant so the accuracy depends on the relationship of the informant to the deceased.

I can get you a copy of the death reg on my next trip to my local FHS library; however, I'm not sure when that will be.

Regards, Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Wednesday 19 August 09 18:40 BST (UK)

Hi Susan and Lisa,
Thank you for your help...much appreciated
Regards
Debbie x

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Friday 21 August 09 04:06 BST (UK)

Debbie, if you modify the title of your first post to say "BC look-up" there are some kind souls here who do BC look-ups.

Jacquie

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Friday 21 August 09 05:25 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

I am planning a trip to my local FHS library on Saturday so can get the copy of your death registration then if that works for you.

Regards, Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: lilybell on Friday 21 August 09 06:30 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

I have ordered quite a few registrations for BC and I have found that most of them indicate the place of birth.

But having said that it also depends on who the informant was. I some cases they might not know .

Best to have someone get the records for you  and you will find out for sure.

Lilybell

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Friday 21 August 09 07:04 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

On the BC Archives website, I see there is a marriage for James Bertram Worsley and Amy Burden in New Westminster, BC on April 4, 1914.  Is this marriage registration of interest to you?  If so, I can make a copy.

Thanks.

Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Friday 21 August 09 13:54 BST (UK)

Hi Susano and lilybell,
Am not sure who he married, all I know is that his siser Nellie went over as well.
Debbiex

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Friday 21 August 09 14:12 BST (UK)

Hi Susano,
Re:James Bertram being married to Amy Burden, of that I'm not sure but, on the Mountain View Cemetary records website there is a Amy Worsley d: April 1921.  Both deaths have the same number after them...
1919/*/B/001/0015

Would this be the grave or plot number ??

Debbie x

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Friday 21 August 09 18:47 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

I think the numbers are the locators for the gravesite.  Check out this site for information on how to use the cemetery map to locate the plot...you probably have found this info already.

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/NONMARKEtOPERATIONS/MOUNTAINVIEW/map.htm

There is a marriage for a Nellie Worsley and Robert Ball in Vancouver on June 3, 1920....maybe this is your Nellie.  Did Nellie have a middle name?  Do you know when she came to Canada?  Do you have the parents' names for James and Nellie?

I don't mind looking up the registrations....would be nice if we could find Nellie as well as James.

Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Friday 21 August 09 19:15 BST (UK)

Hi Susano,
Not sure when they went over and also not aware of any middle name for nellie but, parent were
James Worsley b;  1852  Hulme manchester
Hannah Parks   b: 1855  Plumley Cheshire  they married in 1876 at St. Marks Parish Church Hulme Manchester.

Thanks for helping.. much appreciated x

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Friday 21 August 09 19:29 BST (UK)

Debbie

Birth record:  September quarter 1883 - James Bertram Worsley
District :  Chorlton     Ref:  8c827
(Hulme was part of Chorlton)

You can order the birth certificate from
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

From the information on the certificate you can cross reference the address to the various censuses to check other siblings.  This might help determine who emigrated and who stayed.

From your posting, I wasn't sure what information you needed as you already knew the rough date of birth and the place.  Was it just confirmation of what you found?

If I can help further please let me know.

Sandgrounder

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Saturday 22 August 09 11:40 BST (UK)

Debbie

The following might be useful:

Lancashire 1891:

Worsley James bc 1852  Head  Plasterer
Hannah                 1860  Wife
William                   1879  Son Office boy
James                    1884  Son
Frank                     1886  Son
Nellie                     1891  Daughter

56 Queens Street, Ardwick, Chorlton


Lancashire 1901:

Worsley James bc 1852  Head  Metal Planer Machinist
Hannah                 1855  Wife
William                   1879  Son    Steam engine fitter maker
James                    1884  Son    Iron turner fitter
Frank                     1888  Son    Warehouse errand boy port
Nellie                     1891  Daughter
Joseph                   1900  Son

148 Queens Road, Ardwick, Chorlton



I found I could access emigration details but not the full records but the following might help:


James Worsley born c. 1883  Emigrated 10 Oct 1920  (Probably this one is too late?) Ship: Megantic
to Quebec from Liverpool

James Worsley born c. 1884  26 July 1907  Virginian  to Quebec from Liverpool

Frank Worsley born c. 1887 9 July 1911  Tunisian Quebec from Liverpool
Nellie Worsley born c. 1881 (birth date 10 years out!) 2 Aug 1912  Empress Quebec from Liverpool
James Worsley born c. 1884 26 July 1907  Virginian Quebec from Liverpool

Also an Ellen (Nellie?) Worsley born c. 1881 (the date is still out!) 24 Sept 1909 Virginian Quebec from Liverpool

Is there a kind member out there who has full access to these records who could help Debbie a little more??

The emigrations are all within a few years so could be the correct ones.  There was no sign of William or Joseph emigrating.

Sandgrounder

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Saturday 22 August 09 20:31 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

Are you aware of the Worsley Family Tree on Ancestry?  There is not much about James Bertram or Nellie but quite a bit about Frank and descendants.  It does show Nellie's occupation as machinist in the 1911 Census and James's occupation of turner on 1901 Census, which leads me to entries I found on passenger lists.

Kellie Worsley (I think mistranscribed...looks like Nellie to my on the image) b abt 1891 sailed aboard the Melita from Liverpool to Quebec, arriving July 20, 1919.  Record states she was destined for Victoria, BC to her brother on farm, RMD No 1 Sydney, to help on the farm; occupation noted as machinist.  (Sidney is a community a short distance from Victoria, BC)

I also found an entry which might be promising for James b abt 1884.  Sailed aboard the Virginian from Liverpool to Quebec, arriving July 26, 1907.  Record states he was destined for Toronto and occupation was Turner. 

I'm off to the FHS library now so will see what certificates of BC Vital events I can find for your James and Nellie.

I will let you know later today.

Regards, Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ernestine on Saturday 22 August 09 20:57 BST (UK)

Hi Susano
In UK certainly when Dad died in 1990s place of birth was put on, but for mothers in 1980 it didn't.
Hope this is any help

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Saturday 22 August 09 21:56 BST (UK)

Hi Ernestine,
Thanks for your input.....much appreciated x

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: susano on Sunday 23 August 09 17:55 BST (UK)

Hi Debbie

I have sent you 2 emails with documents attached.  The documents include the certificates from the BC Vital Events for James and Nellie.  Hope this helps in your search.

Have a great day!!

Susan

Title: Re: would death cert show place of birth ?
Post by: ellis1813 on Sunday 23 August 09 19:02 BST (UK)

Wow,
How fantastic is this lady. Won't be able to put these docs down tonight!
Huge thank you Susan
Debbie xx